WedgeRock
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LOL. "Shorting" your own wallet... Not a bad idea. I actually haven't carried money in my wallet for 20 years... I use a money clip, but I should probably put $50 in my wallet for this exact reason.
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Buying a Gun and Getting my CCP (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Anthony Martino
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LOL. "Shorting" your own wallet... Not a bad idea. I actually haven't carried money in my wallet for 20 years... I use a money clip, but I should probably put $50 in my wallet for this exact reason.
I'll give you the same advice that I gave my buddy when his house was burgled and he immediately wanted to go out and get a gun. Make sure you're willing to put in the time commitment to learn and use your firearm effectively otherwise it's likely more of a liability to you than a benefit. The gun is easy to get, the years of range practice require a much greater investment.
Just like you wouldn't sit down at a PLO table and bet your life savings having never played the game, don't get into a firearm situation were you're betting your life with a tool you haven't practiced with or aren't supremely confident with.
Just like you wouldn't sit down at a PLO table and bet your life savings having never played the game, don't get into a firearm situation were you're betting your life with a tool you haven't practiced with or aren't supremely confident with.
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Anthony Martino
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We're taking a safety course early next month before we do anything, and we'll also plan to have range time on a recurring basis to maintain our level of comfort and competency.
IMO, "being ready" and "competency" can't be achieved in a few sessions on a range, and comfort goes out the window if it turns out that the other guy has a weapon too -- you raise, and he re-raises. You don't want to put yourself or your wife in that position unless you're dedicated, sworn, and well-paid to do it. That's why we have laws and LEOs.
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Anthony Martino
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If I encounter a crazy with a gun my primary goal is getting away.
If I'm trapped in traffic at a red light and don't have that luxury, I'd sure feel better having a plan B available
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A famous person once wrote: "Plan ahead. Learn to better avoid bad situations. Always have an out."
Plan A should have been to make sure you have, say, a car length available in front of you whenever you're stuck in traffic, in case something like this happens.
Plan B is lock the doors, roll up the windows, dial 911. If you have another cell phone, start filming.
Plan C is to ram other cars to either get away or get enough other people involved to deter the potential problem/attacker.
Plan D is to rely on the power of prayer. I'll admit that the gun may actually be preferable here.
Poker Zombie
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I'm a little surprised at the number of people here that have said "I used to act like X until I bought a gun."
Did you act immature and bought a gun, or did the act of carrying a gun make you grow up? Either way, it sounds like you were still acting irresponsibly when you actually bought the gun.
I learned that being cut off, yelled at, or whatever can be de-escalated by absorbing it - the same way you absorb the barbs of an abusive opponent at the poker table. I grew up in Detroit. It was safe to assume every dickhead was armed, and going for a gun was like chasing outs. If they are already on edge and have a gun, they probably have it more accessible than you. Make one wrong move, and the fastest on the draw will be the only person telling their side of the story to the cops. It doesn't matter who was wrong or who was right if you are dead.
Finally, a firearm is never, ever, a defensive tool. It's an offensive weapon. You're not blocking bullets or punches with a gun, you are taking the offence to your opponent. Avoiding a dangerous situation is defensive. If you are walking to your car with a big win from the casino and are approached with a guy with a gun, he's got the draw on you. There is no way you can draw a gun, aim, disengage the safety, and disable your attacker in less time than it takes him to pull the trigger. That's why police approach a dangerous suspect with their guns out. You simply cannot draw that fast. Forget what you saw in a movie, this is real life. True defence lies in avoiding danger. Ask the casino to hold any big money you win, and withdraw it another day.
Don't act in a way that will only aggravate someone. In short, live life like you never go on tilt.
Did you act immature and bought a gun, or did the act of carrying a gun make you grow up? Either way, it sounds like you were still acting irresponsibly when you actually bought the gun.
I learned that being cut off, yelled at, or whatever can be de-escalated by absorbing it - the same way you absorb the barbs of an abusive opponent at the poker table. I grew up in Detroit. It was safe to assume every dickhead was armed, and going for a gun was like chasing outs. If they are already on edge and have a gun, they probably have it more accessible than you. Make one wrong move, and the fastest on the draw will be the only person telling their side of the story to the cops. It doesn't matter who was wrong or who was right if you are dead.
Finally, a firearm is never, ever, a defensive tool. It's an offensive weapon. You're not blocking bullets or punches with a gun, you are taking the offence to your opponent. Avoiding a dangerous situation is defensive. If you are walking to your car with a big win from the casino and are approached with a guy with a gun, he's got the draw on you. There is no way you can draw a gun, aim, disengage the safety, and disable your attacker in less time than it takes him to pull the trigger. That's why police approach a dangerous suspect with their guns out. You simply cannot draw that fast. Forget what you saw in a movie, this is real life. True defence lies in avoiding danger. Ask the casino to hold any big money you win, and withdraw it another day.
Don't act in a way that will only aggravate someone. In short, live life like you never go on tilt.
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IMHO, I’d never try to talk someone into gun ownership... nor would I try to talk them out of it (unless there was underlying reasons this specific person should not own)... it’s a personal decision, and without getting political, it’s their right to own a gun. What I would do, is attempt to steer the prospective new gun owner into proper training. It sounds like you’re into the idea of gun ownership for the right reasons, and are thoughtful in how it would be used, if ever.
yes, there are examples of yahoo gun owners that are Stupid, but I could show you tons of examples on YouTube of people (everyday people) who saved their lives, their familys lives, or protected bystanders from imminent peril because they were armed.
there are also some really good you tubers out there who are fresh, funny, and informative when it comes to guns, how-to‘s for personal protection, and gear and tactics...
blindman
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I agree you hope you never need it, but you will have an option. Indiana has 5 yr license and for a little more $$ I got a LIFE TIME permit. Be Safe.
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The issue I have is you are assuming you can deescalate all situations, there are circumstances you cannot. I've always avoided situations by being aware, but there are instances where you have no chance. Then what do you do?
It's easy to say just deescalate, when you're sitting safe at home. So easy to be critical. Just wait for that cop you want to defund? Silly, just silly.
Would you want your daughter to wait for a cop while some predators try and intimidate her or do worse? I guess just let the justice system cure her wounds that will never heal. Yay everything is awesome...
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there’s no real substitute for in person range time with a quality instructor... that said, there are a couple of guys I’ve recently started watching, and would recommend.
T Rex arms puts out decent videos, and he’s funny and common sensical (without the lunkhead vibe some Channels exude)
John Lovell is a legit FA trainer, very tactical mindset, but also Believes in a tactical, work, life balance. Here’s a good segment where he takes a novice couple and talks them through a self defense lifestyle. Some of his other videos are informative and entertaining. He has quite the following.
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Anthony Martino
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Awesome, thanks for the clips, will check them out!
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Anthony Martino
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Jenn and I completed our 6 hour course this past Saturday, just gotta submit for our CCP's and figure out what firearm we want to get. I really enjoyed the Glock I tried after my target practice. It was heavier but felt a lot more accurate and on the instructors target sheet I hit a number of shots close to the bullseye.
A friend also suggested we get a laser button on the grip so we can get on target quickly if we ever need it.
A friend also suggested we get a laser button on the grip so we can get on target quickly if we ever need it.
blindman
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Congrats
blindman
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My carry is a Kahr PM9 with an inside the waist band holster. Easy enough to conceal. I want no one to know but me. I see it as my American Express Card.
I "don't leave home without it", but hope I will never need it !
I "don't leave home without it", but hope I will never need it !
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Anthony Martino
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We can't have an imprint here in FL so would need something similar
12thMan
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Congrats bud!! As far as the laser goes there are at least two schools of thought on it like almost every thing in life.... I don’t have lasers on anything but a little smith and Wesson bodyguard .380, it probably has more to do with shooting sights all my life but I honestly find that picking up the red dot is slower (for me, with zero training) than getting a sight picture. Add in the ungodly amount of stress and adrenaline you will be feeling in one of those one in a million moments and it would all but disappear for me.
But like I say, it probably has way more to do with me being a soft, dumb ass civilian than it does for the red dot.
Edit to add: nice shooting, the tiniest bit of practice with whatever you choose and you’ll bring the group down a little quick.
But like I say, it probably has way more to do with me being a soft, dumb ass civilian than it does for the red dot.
Edit to add: nice shooting, the tiniest bit of practice with whatever you choose and you’ll bring the group down a little quick.
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Anthony Martino
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I knew all those years playing first-person shooters would pay off!
I have sub2000 (gen 2) And like it. No, it's not an MP5 or Scorpian but it takes Glock mags including the sweet 33 rounders. It often comes with me on vacation because it's so compact. I can toss it into the same case as my 10/22 and have a nice travel rifle setup.
It uses a blowback design (I think) and the bolt is a heavy steel monster so it beats up your shoulder quite a bit compared to an AR or AK. That part I was not expecting but I think it’s common on carbines that operate like that. You can spend a lot more $$$ and still have pistol carbine that goes bang. Now...class 3 MP5.......droool.
Sad thing is I once owned a high point, had to sell it because I didn't know what high point was when I bought it and had to get rid of it....it jammed constantly and only had 10 round mags... but when it shot it was a tack driver. I bought a Beretta CX4 storm... hated it, "CLACK.... CLACK" just didn't like it. Maybe I should track down a scorpion... Love my CZ's.
blindman
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My non carry is a CZ75B stainless. Another tack driver. Heavy enough so no it has little recoil and you can use it as a club if emptied of its 16 rounds.
I hate recommending somone get a certain gun, as people‘s Tastes, and needs, are different. But I’ve got a TON of friends and just about everyone I know owns and loves the Glock 43 or 43x for CCW.
Biggest thing to consider, whatever you choose, is shoot it until you become proficient. And that takes more than one box of ammo. It also involves dry fire drills and practice drawing from concealment (while unloaded, please)
Biggest thing to consider, whatever you choose, is shoot it until you become proficient. And that takes more than one box of ammo. It also involves dry fire drills and practice drawing from concealment (while unloaded, please)
I recommend everyone hold a glock, a sig, an M&P... whatever. Then hold and shoot a CZ75 variant.
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https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-16-9mm-1-10-lightweight-m-lok-classic-rifle-5165450028.html
They make a pistol version too.
SixSpeedFury
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I've yet to venture into the process of owning a gun, but based on what I've been reading in the Guns You Own thread the general consensus is red dot for home defense and sights for carry. Just like poker chips though, everything is customizable.
Mac128k
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Reading the OP immediately reminded me of this.
trever
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I'm a huge CZ fan, but when I bought a carbine, I went with the Ruger PC. Add in some Mcarbo options and you have a great, affordable carbine.
To all those CZ fans....
I don’t own a CZ and I havent shot one, so im not commenting on their worthiness as a platform.
...but it reminds me of #7 on Colin Noirs list of gun range types. Lol
I don’t own a CZ and I havent shot one, so im not commenting on their worthiness as a platform.
...but it reminds me of #7 on Colin Noirs list of gun range types. Lol
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