[Cash Game] How many chips on the table before coloring up? (2 Viewers)

[TudiscoKid]

Hi!

I'm wondering what the best ratio chips on the table/players at the table would be best to avoid drowning in them.

Basically, at what point do you think it's better to color up or give higher denom' chips for rebuys?

 

[cpac54]

Yes.

 

[Eriks]

I hand out what is needed of smaller denoms with initial buy-ins and then give out rebuys in bigger denoms. I never color up. I don’t put racks and racks of fives on the the table like some though (not that I think they color up either).

 

[aggie]

Never color up.

 

[kmccormick100]

I never color up in a cash game, usually get 200 $1s in play, 4 racks of $5s, then start doing rebuys with $25s and eventually $100s if needed.

 

[justincarothers]

MOAR!

 

[TudiscoKid]

Never color up.

Oh yeah, why? Even with rebuys, you give the original stack?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Anything over 15 chips/person is pointless, should be coloring those right up.

 

[Taghkanic]

In my 2/5 cash game, I don’t give out more $1s after the initial buyin.

I like to get as many of my $5 chips out as possible (500 for one table) because I feel that the game plays better when people have bigger stacks. Players with too many high denoms tend to either nit it up or just the opposite — “I 3bet to $200 because I only had black chips.”

I’ll start to use only $25 and $100 chips later on. Players can get change easily enough.

I also have a few barrels of $500s but these seldom need to come out.

 

[upNdown]

Yeah I give out all the small chips I need in the initial buyins. Rebuys are done in bigger chips.
There’s really no reason to ever color up in a cash game (unless you raise the stakes) except for poor planning.

 

[Shaggy]

This is my rule of thumb for my 25c/50c NLHE cash game. My chip sets are as follows:

100x 25c
200x $1
200x $5
40x $25
10x $100

Typical buy-in (and rebuy) is $100.

1. Get all the blinds chips on the table during initial buy-ins
2. Get remaining $1 and $5 on the table during early rebuys
3. Give rebuys in $25 chips
4. Give rebuys in $100 chips

Once there are enough workhorse chips ($1 and $5 in my game) there is never a need to get more of those on the table.

 

[TudiscoKid]

In my 2/5 cash game, I don’t give out more $1s after the initial buyin.

I like to get as many of my $5 chips out as possible (500 for one table) because I feel that the game plays better when people have bigger stacks. Players with too many high denoms tend to either nit it up or just the opposite — “I 3bet to $200 because I only had black chips.”

I’ll start to use only $25 and $100 chips later on. Players can get change easily enough.

I also have a few barrels of $500s but these seldom need to come out.

This is my rule of thumb for my 25c/50c NLHE cash game. My chip sets are as follows:

100x 25c
200x $1
200x $5
40x $25
10x $100

Typical buy-in (and rebuy) is $100.

1. Get all the blinds chips on the table during initial buy-ins
2. Get remaining $1 and $5 on the table during early rebuys
3. Give rebuys in $25 chips
4. Give rebuys in $100 chips

Once there are enough workhorse chips ($1 and $5 in my game) there is never a need to get more of those on the table.

Interesting insights.

I tend to do the same, I play $2/5 with max buy ins of $500 (Mexican pesos)

My starting stacks are as follows:

I allow a maximum of 100 x $1 and 130 x $5 on the table, then I give out the rest in higher denoms.

Last night, we were 6 players at the table, and I tried giving a few $500 chips at some point for rebuys (I think 3 or 4 of them). I feel like it may have been slightly too many as I was in that situation with 3 of them and few other denom chips.

 

[Beakertwang]

We used to play 5¢/10¢, but I just hosted my first .25/.25 game. I put 120 quarters in play for 8 people. It was plenty. I also have 300 $1's. By the end of the night, when we were 5-handed, we had way too many quarters, and a few too many $1's in play. Next time, I'll cash some of those in to get a few of my spectacular $25's on the table. It will also make cashing out a bit easier at the end.

 

[aggie]

Oh yeah, why? Even with rebuys, you give the original stack?

No, I give out each denom until they're gone. Stacks don't have to match in cash.

So for $2/5 with 100/400/200/100+ chips, I would give out all $1s and $5s, then move to $25s and $100s.

I would never pull chips off the table to color up.

the game plays better when people have bigger stacks. Players with too many high denoms tend to either nit it up or just the opposite

 

[TudiscoKid]

Understood.

Then I should maybe have all the $5 in play. I only have 150 though.

I don't like having more than 100 x $1 in play however.

 

[springbox]

For a cash game, coloring up is unnecessary unless you change blinds mid game, or have player(s) with all the large denom chips cash out of the game. Players should make change with each other and if you don't want more of a chip in play, don't include it in re-buys.

Understood.

Then I should maybe have all the $5 in play. I only have 150 though.

I don't like having more than 100 x $1 in play however.

For 2-5 I don't see the need for more than 100 $1s. Or even more than say 10 per player. Can you bet any amount over $5 (say, $8) or only in increments of $5? 150 is a little light on $5s (blasphemous according to some members here...) but as long as you have 20 per player I think you're set. I'd give out all the lower chips before touching the $500s, it's kind of tough to split a chip that's a whole buy-in by itself...

 

[Taghkanic]

I allow a maximum of 100 x $1 and 130 x $5 on the table, then I give out the rest in higher denoms.

Interesting. I feel like that is a very small number of 5s (about 14 per player at a 9-handed table).

Certainly the game can be played that way.

But I assume there must be many situations where players wind up with no $5s and have to buy them from another player, or take change from the pot, slowing the game down.

And it also presumably means that the size (not the value) of the average stack looks quite small.

Among other things, for me this takes away (among other things) the fun and drama of shoving a big pyramid of barrels toward the center of the table when going all in.

I also suspect (with my player pool
at least) that it would lead to less nuanced play, in that you’re going to see most bets in multiples of $25 rather than multiples of $5…

 

[TudiscoKid]

For a cash game, coloring up is unnecessary unless you change blinds mid game, or have player(s) with all the large denom chips cash out of the game. Players should make change with each other and if you don't want more of a chip in play, don't include it in re-buys.



For 2-5 I don't see the need for more than 100 $1s. Or even more than say 10 per player. Can you bet any amount over $5 (say, $8) or only in increments of $5? 150 is a little light on $5s (blasphemous according to some members here...) but as long as you have 20 per player I think you're set. I'd give out all the lower chips before touching the $500s, it's kind of tough to split a chip that's a whole buy-in by itself...

Yeah raises can be $8, $13 etc.

It seems that 150 x $5 is a bit light then, I mean the game still plays fine, but I understand people here love to have barrels over barrels in their stacks lol

 

[Rhodeman77]

I don’t understand this “coloring up” concept. I think it is a tournament thing.

 

[TudiscoKid]

Interesting. I feel like that is a very small number of 5s (about 14 per player at a 9-handed table).

Certainly the game can be played that way.

But I assume there must be many situations where players wind up with no $5s and have to buy them from another player, or take change from the pot, slowing the game down.

And it also presumably means that the size (not the value) of the average stack looks quite small.

Among other things, for me this takes away (among other things) the fun and drama of shoving a big pyramid of barrels toward the center of the table when going all in.

I also suspect (with my player pool
at least) that it would lead to less nuanced play, in that you’re going to see most bets in multiples of $25 rather than multiples of $5…

Yeah it happens quite a few times that a player has to make change because they don't have enough $5...

Maybe I should get more of them then. 200 total would be good do you think?

 

[EnjoyLife]

We play 25c/50c NLHE cash game. My chip sets are as follows:

200x 25c
300x $1
200x $5
80x $25
20x $100

Typical buy-in (and rebuy) is $50, but people generally purchase $100 worth to keep some chips behind.

I hand out a barrel of 25c, a barrel of $1, and 15ea of the $5 chips.

People generally rebuy for $50, and for the first 2 rebuys, I pass out 50 of the $1 chips, generally.

Then for remainder of rebuys, just $5 chips, until I run out and then the $25s.

It works good for us.

 

[TudiscoKid]

For both $2/5 (500 max buy ins) and $5/10 ($1000 max buy ins) with 9 (let's say 10) players max, I have:

150 x $1
150 x $5
100 x $25
100 x $100
25 x $500

Do you think this is enough or I need way more $5 etc.?

 

[quintooo]

For both $2/5 (500 max buy ins) and $5/10 ($1000 max buy ins) with 9 (let's say 10) players max, I have:

150 x $1
150 x $5
100 x $25
100 x $100
25 x $500

Do you think this is enough or I need way more $5 etc.?

I would prefer to have 3-4 racks of $5's for 2/5 and 2-3 racks of $25's for 5/10.

 

[TudiscoKid]

I would prefer to have 3-4 racks of $5's for 2/5 and 2-3 racks of $25's for 5/10.

One rack = 100 chips?

 

[quintooo]

One rack = 100 chips?

yes sir. I am in the camp of as many 5's on the table as possible btw. Other people on this forum think 2 racks of $5's is enough for all stakes from 0.25/0.25 to 5/10.

Personally, I think for 2/5, 300 $5's is minimum. I'm sure you could get away with less (and it seems like you have been in your games, might be making change too often though)

 

[TudiscoKid]

yes sir. I am in the camp of as many 5's on the table as possible btw. Other people on this forum think 2 racks of $5's is enough for all stakes from 0.25/0.25 to 5/10.

Personally, I think for 2/5, 300 $5's is minimum. I'm sure you could get away with less (and it seems like you have been in your games, might be making change too often though)

I'm more of a the-less-chips-the-better type lol, hence why I created this thread.

We've been doing fine but yeah change was needed sometimes, just like at the casino I guess.

I'll defo have all the $5 in play from now on.

or

 

[louBdub]

Every. Single. Chip. In. Play.

This is the way.

Way too many cash games incorporate tournament things. Stop it.

 

[quintooo]

I'm more of a the-less-chips-the-better type lol, hence why I created this thread.

if you want to go super minimalist, maybe you can spread $5/5 instead of $2/5? Get rid of the $1 chips entirely, so no more change has to be made to pay blinds or if someone makes a weird $9 bet or something. $2/5 -> $5/5 shouldn't play too differently especially at a home game.

 

[TudiscoKid]

if you want to go super minimalist, maybe you can spread $5/5 instead of $2/5? Get rid of the $1 chips entirely, so no more change has to be made to pay blinds or if someone makes a weird $9 bet or something. $2/5 -> $5/5 shouldn't play too differently especially at a home game.

I was thinking about doing that, but then all bets would be in increments of 5... which is... a good thing I guess? I should defo give it a try.

But then my 150 x $1 would be useless...

 

[quintooo]

I was thinking about doing that, but then all bets would be in increments of 5... which is... a good thing I guess? I should defo give it a try.

But then my 150 x $1 would be useless...

chipper issues... solution: buy more $1's and $5's so you can also spread $1/1