Cheating allegations at Stones (2 Viewers)

[dkersey]

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/01/mike-postle-accused-of-dodging-legal-summons-36352.htm

Looks like he skipped town. Wherever he went, he better be prepared to stay there a loooooooong time. I wonder what he did for a day job...if he had one. He's totally screwed if this was his primary source of income.

 

[justsomedude]

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020/01/mike-postle-accused-of-dodging-legal-summons-36352.htm

What a complete douchebag. But I guess we already knew that.

 

[BonScot]

It’s a matter of time before he starts a kickstarter group buy

 

[shorticus]

It’s a matter of time before he starts a kickstarter group buy

Scrub donkey ceramics with someone else's design? Wouldn't be the first time he stole something.

 

[12thMan]

He needs an auction.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Looks like he skipped town. Wherever he went, he better be prepared to stay there a loooooooong time. I wonder what he did for a day job...if he had one. He's totally screwed if this was his primary source of income.

Read the article and someone says they watched the place when attempting to serve him papers and noticed he was inside, but he just wouldn't answer the door.

Mac VerStandig, attorney for the plaintiffs, then made his own attempt to serve Postle with the summons.


The whole bizarre story is worth a read, but according to VerStandig, he approached Postle's residence in California and spent several minutes attempting to ring the doorbell and knocking on the door, eliciting no response. Rather than leave, VerStandig said he surveilled the place until spotting Postle inside, at which point he resumed ultimately unsuccessful attempts to serve the paperwork.


VerStandig also reported attempting to reach Postle through his criminal defense attorney, which also proved fruitless.

 

[dkersey]

Read the article and someone says they watched the place when attempting to serve him papers and noticed he was inside, but he just wouldn't answer the door.

A difference without a distinction. He is hiding from his inevitable future.

 

[WedgeRock]

Step 1: Motion for alternate service supported by affidavit from the Process Server and from the attorney.

Step 2: Tack it to his front door.

Step 3: Wait

Step 4: Motion for Entry of Default Judgment.

 

[Hainzr]

Throw him in the “clink” lol but no seriously, Throw in the clink!!

 

[1A25R]

bing!

https://www.pokertube.com/article/a...postle-finally-acknowledges-10million-lawsuit

 

[toynoob]

bing!

https://www.pokertube.com/article/a...postle-finally-acknowledges-10million-lawsuit

I didn't learn anything other than he don't have a lawyer yet.. lol

 

[Highli99]

Representing himself is not going to work out, but it signals he has no money which will mean the plaintiffs do not have much shot of getting funds from him. Of course, getting paid by stones is certainly possible.

 

[dkersey]

In addition to Postle being in the line of fire, he had to have had an accomplice. There has been a ton of analysis on the cheating technique(s). Has the accomplice been identified? I know the person hasn't confessed but it seems like the people closest to this would be able to figure out the accomplice. And whoever that is, shouldn't that person be sued/prosecuted as well?

 

[tabletalker7]

The accomplice was the tournament director.

 

[justsomedude]

In addition to Postle being in the line of fire, he had to have had an accomplice. There has been a ton of analysis on the cheating technique(s). Has the accomplice been identified? I know the person hasn't confessed but it seems like the people closest to this would be able to figure out the accomplice. And whoever that is, shouldn't that person be sued/prosecuted as well?

The accomplice was the tournament director.

Yep, TD Justin Kuraitis is the likely co-conspirator.

He hasn't tweeted since August 2019, when this all blew up. And it appears he's still working at Stones while the investigation continues.

 

[APatHand]

Their attorney -

 

[kmccormick100]

Yep, TD Justin Kuraitis is the likely co-conspirator.

He hasn't tweeted since August 2019, when this all blew up. And it appears he's still working at Stones while the investigation continues.

While Justin was either privy of it, or potentially in on it, I believe there is a decent amount of evidence to support Taylor @thevocalterror May have been his source inside, as he ran the tech for most of the livestream games and helped setup/maintain a lot of the rfid and stream equipment.

I’ve played at stones 3-4times and Justin has been absent every time I’ve been there, with an alternate manager serving as tourney director, word is he’s on “indefinite leave”

 

[toynoob]

While Justin was either privy of it, or potentially in on it, I believe there is a decent amount of evidence to support Taylor @thevocalterror May have been his source inside, as he ran the tech for most of the livestream games and helped setup/maintain a lot of the rfid and stream equipment.

I’ve played at stones 3-4times and Justin has been absent every time I’ve been there, with an alternate manager serving as tourney director, word is he’s on “indefinite leave”

I agree with Taylor, I'll never forget the hand the cards were switched out. Fat train kept asking Taylor what postle had.

 

[PlayerADK]

Their attorney -
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That's how you know it's a tough job

It ain't easy...

Being cheesy

 

[Shaggy]

Update... ugh:
Plaintiffs' Case Against Mike Postle, Stones Dismissed by Judge
June 03, 2020

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2020...inst-mike-postle-dismissed-by-judge-37385.htm

 

[navels]

jfc

 

[surfik]

at least he wont be able to get a game of jacks

 

[Taghkanic]

I read the whole decision... It does not argue whether Postle did or did not cheat.

It argues that California law does not allow people to sue over gambling losses. And that the parties didn’t properly argue their case in various ways.

It does allow them to refile and try again, but only for the rake that Stones took, not for Postle’s winnings or other damages.

The law is often frustrating like this... Many cases get decided on procedure and technicalities, so that the judge never has to address the substance of the issue.

 

[Frogzilla]

I read the whole decision... It does not argue whether Postle did or did not cheat.

It argues that California law does not allow people to sue over gambling losses. And that the parties didn’t properly argue their case in various ways.

It does allow them to refile and try again, but only for the rake that Stones took, not for Postle’s winnings or other damages.

The law is often frustrating like this... Many cases get decided on procedure and technicalities, so that the judge never has to address the substance of the issue.

This must be a CA law right? Borgata sure sued Ivey for his baccarat winnings in NJ

 

[justsomedude]

This must be a CA law right? Borgata sure sued Ivey for his baccarat winnings in NJ

That's because the casino lost. Different rules for them.

Not joking either... you can cheat another player in a game the casino hosts (like poker), but you can't cheat the casino. In the former example, the casino is not liable for losses incurred by one player due to actions from another dishonest player.

 

[abby99]

This must be a CA law right? Borgata sure sued Ivey for his baccarat winnings in NJ

Maybe Borgata had legal standing to bring suit that individuals do not have, along the lines of what @justsomedude said above.

 

[MatB]

Obviously im not a lawyer....

So can someone explain it like im 5 how being cheated in a game is a "Gambling Loss'?


Also, i could understand if gambling was prohibited in that state. I remember the case of a waitress being sued by coworkers for not sharing a lottery ticket. Restaurant in a state with no gambling/ lottery. Sooner courts refused to listen to case.

 

[Kain8]

Veronica Brill said it best:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1268273906521006080

 

[Frogzilla]

Obviously im not a lawyer....

So can someone explain it like im 5 how being cheated in a game is a "Gambling Loss'?


Also, i could understand if gambling was prohibited in that state. I remember the case of a waitress being sued by coworkers for not sharing a lottery ticket. Restaurant in a state with no gambling/ lottery. Sooner courts refused to listen to case.

The decision to dismiss for postle cited “speculative damages” being the issue, not the skill vs chance.

The damages are a little bit tricky, I’m curious how the lawsuit went about it

Edit: also not a lawyer but the wife watches suits and I’ve been in the same room so caught a couple things

 

[upNdown]

Obviously im not a lawyer....

So can someone explain it like im 5 how being cheated in a game is a "Gambling Loss'?


Also, i could understand if gambling was prohibited in that state. I remember the case of a waitress being sued by coworkers for not sharing a lottery ticket. Restaurant in a state with no gambling/ lottery. Sooner courts refused to listen to case.

I don’t know much about gambling laws or anything about California law, but one thing I read is that the damages are theoretical.
Even if you could prove that somebody cheated in a hand, in most cases, you can’t prove that if he hadn’t cheated, how much you would have won (or wouldn’t have lost) in any given hand. And there’s really no way to prove precise damages in an entire session. In other words, you might have lost all your money anyway, even if the game was 100% straight.