Chicago Joey Alleges Cheating/Fraud/Collusion at ACR (2 Viewers)

[justsomedude]

Interesting...

 

[justsomedude]

 

[bsdunbar1]

 

[Ellasdaddy]

Sadly, by now don’t we all just assume that anything over .25/.50 online will get you scammed? I used to grind low stakes and make some solid change, never much worrying about it.

 

[bsdunbar1]

Sadly, by now don’t we all just assume that anything over .25/.50 online will get you scammed?

I used to think the same thing. If someone was cheating why would they want my chump change? But the low stakes cheating also makes sense. .01 at a time, over and over still adds up to a lot of coin.
Any more I just play here and there for entertainment, knowing the odds are against me winning. (Because of the cheaters of course, has nothing to do with my poker skills )

 

[ChaosRock]

Sadly, by now don’t we all just assume that anything over .25/.50 online will get you scammed? I used to grind low stakes and make some solid change, never much worrying about it.

I think it's possible micro stakers are also being cheated but much more likely it's in the mid to high stakes realm that most of the shenanigans happen.

It is just a matter of cost benefit. It does take time/resources for the cheaters to set up their operation and it must be worth their while.

It's up to the sites to monitor those things very, very closely and it seems they have been very "hands-off" on some, or most, or those cases.

 

[Ellasdaddy]

I think you’re exactly right.

Human nature sucks, and a few bad apples really destroyed the online poker bunch. I’m pretty sure it’s more lucrative to be a good thief rather than good security team agent, too.

 

[Psypher1000]

Online poker has never been alluring to me, mostly because I just assume that somehow someone will always be cheating me. I’ll donk off my chips on my own. I don’t need a computer or a colluding team doing it for me.

I don’t doubt Mr. Chicago’s claims, but I do wish he would have offered more support and facts in his videos rather than rants. Post up the data, make your points, and draw your conclusions, then leave me to evaluate what I just saw. No need for 45 combined minutes of, “BUT U SED U WOULD BAN! Y NO BANS?! Y NO DO SOMETHING???”

 

[derekdd23]

Joey Ingram has 3 videos basically a confirmation that the site doesn't give a shit. Joey also has some numbers which IMHO confirm the cheating...

https://www.youtube.com/user/joeingram1/videos

 

[upNdown]

Not the same thing, but it reminds me of this article I recent read, with Daniel ranting about online darting scripts. All this further reinforces that I want nothing to do with online poker: not that I needed much reinforcement - it’s a poor substitute for the real thing.
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/01/daniel-negreanu-seat-scripting-bans-29777.htm

 

[derekdd23]

Not the same thing, but it reminds me of this article I recent read, with Daniel ranting about online darting scripts. All this further reinforces that I want nothing to do with online poker: not that I needed much reinforcement - it’s a poor substitute for the real thing.
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/01/daniel-negreanu-seat-scripting-bans-29777.htm

There have been a few others with the same sentiment. Basically those with the fastest software to sit a non reg get to play. Every nano second counts. This is why a lot of high stakes regs have stopped playing all together online.

Online poker is dead, it is far too easy to cheat the system. These sites make millions off of players and cannot even provide decent security against bots, scripts, collusion, etc. This is sad and basically the straw that broke my back, I cannot trust online poker any longer and will not play.

 

[Tommy]

With remote desktop software, prepaid cellphones, DE Park's online casino was full of people colluding and having multiple accounts. I stopped playing online about 4 years ago. If I want to play, DE Park Casino is just a few mins away.

 

[Nex]

Micros are infested with eastern european full-time grinders that are incredibly tedious/no fun to play against, but I haven't witnessed any obvious collusion yet, or players suspiciously acting like bots. That's micros however, and on different poker sites.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I cut my poker teeth online. It's where I learned Holdem and a few other games - basically everything except 5 card draw (I learned that as a kid) and circus games (from PCF'ers). When they took that away from me I was pissed. Land of freedom? Not when someone with deep pockets owns the politicians.

Now, I really don't care anymore. Home games > Casino games > Online. Sure, I have to wear pants, but the threat of cheating, the loss of the social aspect, no free drinks... online just does not compare.

Though I will say this about the OP video...

If you are going to claim someone is cheating, get to the point. I couldn't make it through the needless ranting, so I am left unconvinced.

Also, smoke less weed dude. Them eyes of yours are super red and glassy. You're either stoned and paranoid about online cheaters, or you just finished bawling your eyes out over a bad beat and went online to cry about it. Either way, I'm super unconvinced.

 

[Nex]

It sure would have made it more credible if he had included some of the video footage he said he recorded that shows evidence of it.

 

[Psypher1000]

If you are going to claim someone is cheating, get to the point. I couldn't make it through the needless ranting

This exemplifies my experience as well. I don't doubt what he said, but less drama, more data.

 

[justsomedude]

With remote desktop software, prepaid cellphones, DE Park's online casino was full of people colluding and having multiple accounts. I stopped playing online about 4 years ago.

My brother pretty much said the exact same thing to me at about the exact same time. Something along the lines of, “it’s incredibly risky, it’s not regulated, and after past exposures (Black Friday) site owners/operators have demonstrated it’s in their interest to cheat, so why wouldn’t they?” And he gave up all online play. He just refuses to do it because he believes he’s getting screwed.

 

[justsomedude]

This exemplifies my experience as well. I don't doubt what he said, but less drama, more data.

I don’t disagree. But in fairness, his entire channel/audience is fueled by drama.

 

[Psypher1000]

But in fairness, his entire channel/audience is fueled by drama.

I'll take Millenial Tendencies for $600, Andrew.

 

[navels]

If you are going to claim someone is cheating, get to the point. I couldn't make it through the needless ranting, so I am left unconvinced.

Also, smoke less weed dude. Them eyes of yours are super red and glassy. You're either stoned and paranoid about online cheaters, or you just finished bawling your eyes out over a bad beat and went online to cry about it. Either way, I'm super unconvinced.

lol my reaction as well

 

[200 Motels]

Online poker has never been alluring to me, mostly because I just assume that somehow someone will always be cheating me. I’ll donk off my chips on my own. I don’t need a computer or a colluding team doing it for me.

I don’t doubt Mr. Chicago’s claims, but I do wish he would have offered more support and facts in his videos rather than rants. Post up the data, make your points, and draw your conclusions, then leave me to evaluate what I just saw. No need for 45 combined minutes of, “BUT U SED U WOULD BAN! Y NO BANS?! Y NO DO SOMETHING???”

I agree. He lacks a journalistic approach that a topic on this needs. JI1's only strength imo is providing PLO commentary. They let him in the booth at last years WSOP and it was excellent. His podcast is a wankfest that's far from anything resembling journalism imo.

 

[Psypher1000]

I agree.

-[THREADJACK]

I'm still trying to use jedi mind tricks to mystically make a sample set of the chips in your avatar end up in my cabinet one day.

Would probably help if I was a Jedi.

-[/THREADJACK]

 

[Nex]

I'm still trying to use jedi mind tricks to mystically make a sample set of the chips in your avatar end up in my cabinet one day.

 

[200 Motels]

-[THREADJACK]

I'm still trying to use jedi mind tricks to mystically make a sample set of the chips in your avatar end up in my cabinet one day.

Would probably help if I was a Jedi.

-[/THREADJACK]

I'm sure I could be persuaded one day.

 

[davin]

So if you going to play online I only recommend MTT

 

[dickzapper]

So if you going to play online I only recommend MTT

I agree with this statement since the volume of hands one plays playing cash online leaves them brutalized by rake.

But I'm convinced Joe Ingram isn't seeing ghosts when it comes to this topic. Everyone knows what planet we're on, right? People cheat in online games that aren't even for money.

I agree that Joe Ingram content does tend to stray towards 'wankfest' like above described, but I do like that recently he's tried to create content that is unique to other poker channels. He did a series on the unmentioned aspects of being a pro - dealing with major losses and depression - and this whole public expose' is pretty ballsy on the planet I mentioned earlier. Have to give him props for that. I'd rather listen to content like such than someone analyze a hold'em hand for twenty plus minutes.

 

[200 Motels]

Regarding MTT cheating, I thought JI1 also claimed of a cheating ring in MTTs as well.

I think it was people exploiting late reg where people would be seated at the same table if they joined at the same time.

 

[Nex]

That might well be, but it should still be a pretty minor factor if you look at the whole timeline of a large MTT.

They might be able to get seated at the same table for the first few rounds and maybe stack two, three people there tops. But they inevitably will be randomly re-seated at different tables as the tournament progresses and people at other tables bust, and they have no influence on that. They can get an unfair head start, but they cannot cheat themselves all the way to the money.

Unless the risk of detection is extremely low and the cheaters are also very skilled tournament players on their own, I don't think it would be regarded as a good investment for cheaters. Cash games should be far more profitable.

 

[200 Motels]

That might well be, but it should still be a pretty minor factor if you look at the whole timeline of a large MTT.

They might be able to get seated at the same table for the first few rounds and maybe stack two, three people there tops. But they inevitably will be randomly re-seated at different tables as the tournament progresses and people at other tables bust, and they have no influence on that. They can get an unfair head start, but they cannot cheat themselves all the way to the money.

Unless the risk of detection is extremely low and the cheaters are also very skilled tournament players on their own, I don't think it would be regarded as a good investment for cheaters. Cash games should be far more profitable.

I guess they're chip dumping to give one horse a huge stack.

 

[Nex]

Still, that would enable them to give one of their people 9 starting stacks tops. An unfair head start, but quickly relativized as blinds and average stacks get bigger. Plus, if they're actually doing chip dumping like this, they lose 8 of 9 buy-ins immediately, betting all their invested money on just one horse. Seems quite risky to me at first glance, even if that one player is a good tournament player.