Poker Cheating Demonstrations (first video uploaded! Link in OP) (43 Viewers)

[ChipMonster]

https://vimeo.com/1022908726?share=copy

Not sure if this link works.

My goal is to shuffle the cards randomly without anyone seeing the bottom cards as the deck is cut and flexed.

That’s more how I shuffle as well but more pushing the cards into each other so I don’t really have to flex at all. My main goal is to keep the cards facedown and invisible at all times. I can riffle shuffle well but I never want the slightest perception that I’m trying to sneak a peak. I hate when people start shuffling in ways where cards are visible to everyone but it’s never the case where they’re doing it from malicious purposes so I just let it be.

 

[raynmanas]

https://vimeo.com/1022908726?share=copy

Not sure if this link works.

My goal is to shuffle the cards randomly without anyone seeing the bottom cards as the deck is cut and flexed.

ok i'm with you now. that is normal and not at all what i was originally commenting on from OP's video - basically, i want to know if he can make a faro shuffle LOOK LIKE what's in your video. otherwise, i would never expect to see a faro at a poker table.

This isn't a faro shuffle like he's talking about. He's talking about something like this:

If i see someone do this at the poker table i'm instantly switching to high alert.

 

[Hot Nuts]

@TheJestyr Love the cigar-smoking intro. What stick was that if you recall?

 

[TheJestyr]

I like the outside back drop and overall flow of the vid, I also like your positioning in the frame, rule of 3rds, nice shot!

Not only is it a blue deck out of a red Bicycle, but those are also tally hos!

That table has to be hard to work on, you should get a holdem table with padding to make it easier on you.

I don't like that you're using paper, although you do see it in home games.

@11:14 | 18:45 flourishes and card control wins 0 points here, you're not doing that at the home game

You're false shuffle and cut where clumsy, you're not good enough to get by as a cheater but I appreciate you showing it.

Pushing the Q was nice, and the control was fine, but the patter and demo was really the only way you can validate your stack, so its a little out of scope, the other side of that would be, if you were going to cheat you'd be better at it and not need the patter / demo of the shuffle..

The cut at 14:19 was clean, had to watch it a few times

I think most of the players are interested in holdem, and it has the largest impact, but even in other games a card or two advantages is a big deal.

I expected you to show dealing off the bottom, dealing seconds (top and bottom) and showing the value of a cut card.

First off, thanks for watching and the thorough review!

Yeah, that table isn't ideal, it's just a large, flat a desk with some padding and speed cloth draped over it. My normal tables are in storage right now so this was the best I had available. I'll shoot most future ones on an actual casino style poker table.

I used a mix of paper and plastic cards. The wash portion was using plastic cards. The later portions used paper. For this intro I just wanted to cast a wide net and since all types of cards are used at games, I felt it was best to demonstrate a little using each...I'll drill down into more detail in later videos.

Agreed that flourishes aren't used in games and would be a dead giveaway. But in an effort to entertain as well as inform, I felt like a few fun moves would be good for the video. But I disagree about the card controls. They can absolutely be used in cheating scenarios, like if the cheat needs to move an ace from the middle of the deck to the top, or if the cheat spots a card in the muck that he wants to bring into the hand. I'll show more examples of this in future videos.

I'm not sure how to respond about your comment regarding my handling being "clumsy" without sounding defensive, dismissive, or conceded, so I feel that it's best to not address it and just say that I'll focus more on making sure I present clean techniques moving forward.

You're absolutely right, trying to explain what I'm doing, while doing it as a demonstration is very different than being in a live game environment. I can't imagine the benefits of trying to keep a full deck in order when cheating. Keeping track of a few cards would not only be easier to control, but also easier to locate, be less detected, and still give a massive edge to the cheater. But as a high level intro, I felt it was beneficial to include that demonstration.

Thanks!

Agreed, most of my content will be geared towards hold 'em and PLO. Circus/other games will be brought up sparingly in certain specific circumstances.

I originally filmed some bottom deals, some marked decks, and some other cheating stuff, but in the spirit of trying to keep the intro video short I decided to edit it out and only focus on a few demonstrations. I'll definitely be getting into dealing from not-the-top-of-the-deck

Again, thanks for the thorough review!! I truly appreciate it!

 

[Machine]

I'm not sure how to respond about your comment regarding my handling being "clumsy" without sounding defensive, dismissive, or conceded, so I feel that it's best to not address it and just say that I'll focus more on making sure I present clean techniques moving forward.

You rock dude, I think the camera angle and light isn't conducive to that shuffle either way, and your execution is better than I could do, better phrasing would have been 'easier to see' than the other demos! not meant as ad hominin

Can't wait to see the next one!

 

[TheJestyr]

very cool video, thanks for doing this.

though i will say, if i ever saw anyone doing a faro shuffle at my game, that's a bit of a dead giveaway. can you faro shuffle and make it look natural?

Thanks for watching! Yeah, there's absolutely ways to make the faro more natural.

I actually kinda use a faro in the gambling demonstration where I deal myself aces heads up (around 14:20). It's important to note that when it comes to cheating, faros don't have to be perfect all the way through the deck. Only the top portion of the deck has to faro perfectly since that's the only part that comes into play.

But if you're looking for a full faro that looks natural, the best way is to do a "table faro" which basically looks similar to a table riffle shuffle, but you're basically faroing without ever taking the cards off the table. I've attached pictures of what that looks like. Admittedly I'm not great at table faros (quite honestly I never "needed" to be) but I'll practice up so I can demonstrate them in a future video.

Thanks!!

 

[TheJestyr]

@TheJestyr Love the cigar-smoking intro. What stick was that if you recall?

Padrón 1964...I forget exact size but it was such a beautiful fall day, I wanted a great stick to match

 

[TheJestyr]

You rock dude, I think the camera angle and light isn't conducive to that shuffle either way, and your execution is better than I could do, better phrasing would have been 'easier to see' than the other demos! not meant as ad hominin

Can't wait to see the next one!

Gotcha! I truly appreciate the clarification and the lengths you went through to review the video and the moves...I didn't want to come across combative or like I was making excuses, but every time I tried to word a response, I felt like it could be received not as well as I was trying to say it. Bottom line is I genuinely appreciate you and your feedback, and I'll try to be more mindful and polished in the future

And you're right, I'm not a cheater haha...worst thing that happens if I get caught is my spectators heckle me and I get a bit embarrassed...true mechanics need to be SOOOO clean every single time from all angles. It's pretty incredible. And the stakes are MUCH higher haha

 

[ekricket]

Only the top portion of the deck has to faro perfectly since that's the only part that comes into play.

lol it’s maybe the bottom portion because after a cut it’s what comes into play? Sure you can’t control the cut (typically) but you can recognize who might have what by the cards you do see (in your hand or on the flop) and use that info accordingly. If you work four aces into the bottom packet and then it’s cut and then dealt and you don’t have the aces then you know somebody does! Sometimes in a tournament giving your opponents good hands makes them beat each other up while you fold, which is almost as good as winning a pot.

 

[TheJestyr]

lol it’s maybe the bottom portion because after a cut it’s what comes into play? Sure you can’t control the cut (typically) but you can recognize who might have what by the cards you do see (in your hand or on the flop) and use that info accordingly. If you work four aces into the bottom packet and then it’s cut and then dealt and you don’t have the aces then you know somebody does! Sometimes in a tournament giving your opponents good hands makes them beat each other up while you fold, which is almost as good as winning a pot.

There's several techniques of how to beat (undo) a cut. I'll give some examples in the next video or two. If I'm going through the work to stack the deck, I'm most likely going to plan on beating the cut as well.

But you're absolutely right, if I know the aces are all together and somebody at the table has them that isn't me, I can easily get outta the way. And in a tournament situation, it could be great to deal out aces and kings to your opponents and then sit back while they knock each other out. (obviously I'm super simplifying this explanation, but the point remains that your absolutely on the right track)

Just having knowledge of what cards are together or what cards are most likely in play is extremely powerful. Even if you never manipulate the deck at all, and are just able to know the value of some cards (say the aces) it's insane the edge you can gain.