GB Completed COMPLETE *NO NEW ORDERS* - 3.5" x 5.75" Mixed Game Plaques on Plastic Card Stock Group Buy (2 Viewers)

[JMC9389]

Survey submitted, thanks for taking this on!

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

$45 isn't bad. I have a GD on staff who can customer my designs and do all the technical stuff. If I shoot the files over to you can you make the rest happen? Or would it be easier for you if I just ordered them directly?

I'm with Mike! Only $10 extra to get my custom logo added sounds like a screaming good deal. I may also sit out this GB and do a custom set afterwards.

 

[moose]

I respectively disagree. In my mind, Omaha and Double-Board Omaha are 2 different games in which one is a split pot and should be noted so...

Same as differentiating between Omaha and Omaha 8.

What I don’t think you need is to differentiate between Big Bet, Limit, Pot Limit... I think you can separate game variant from betting structure... To save on cards...

I am pretty sure you can figure it out when two boards are dealt. It is exactly the same as differentiating between limt, PL and NL, in fact even more obvious. If you can call holdem 3 different ways - limit, PL, NL then double board is just an extension of that.

I am with @churlbut18 on this as well. If part of the point of plaques is to make sure games are dealt correctly and so all players understand how the deal is going to proceed, it makes perfect sense that these be separated.

If somebody calls double board and the dealer forgets to put out the second board and no-one notices - then your game has bigger problems that a little card won't solve.

In theory almost all/all the flop games can be called double board. Do we really need a card for that?

Just trying to save cards so we can have more games in the 42 card limitation.

 

[Natskule]

I gave a lot of thought before launching this, and I wanted to share my thinking regarding a few of the points folks have been raising:

1) In terms of duplication of variants (double board, hi/lo), I think that perspective on this comes down to how people will use this set. If you play a fixed mix, then having unique cards for each game in the mix is critical as two variants can be in the same mix. If you are using this to select a game in dealer's choice, it's less necessary to have unique cards and consolidating the cards frees up "slots" for other games. I would argue that for dealer's choice, a binder with @abby99 's cards is actually a much better solution - it is comprehensive and a much easier way to flip through games at the table than a big deck of cards. This GB is focused on allowing folks to spread a mix rotation, as is done in casinos where they have separate cards for the variants. Having separate cards for NLH/LHE and maybe Omaha/PLO is a good one - I personally never play a limit/big bet mix but that is done and so those will be included on the poll to see if people want separate cards for those. I think the point of consolidating really is about freeing up slots for a broader set of games, which is related to the next point.

2) Regarding adding games, either by consolidating the existing list or adding to the number of cards: process-wise this isn't realistic. I do want to allow for feedback on the game list, which is why we left 6 slots open. The current list of 36 has been well researched with @abby99 's input and vast knowledge on this subject, and I do believe these represent the overwhelming majority of games that most people play in most settings. And I think 6 extra games is a chance for folks to weigh in on ones that were missed or individual favorites, and for the group to find consensus on which of those the most people will get utility from. Getting this opinionated forum to agree even on 6 games may be a challenge, let alone 16 or 26. There is very low likelihood of having consensus on a larger set of games, and the logical conclusion there is expanding the set to cover all the individual requests, and there being a lot of games most folks will not play. Larger sets become more expensive to produce and the individual shipping jumps up at 56 cards and over. Doing a comprehensive deck may end up being >2x the price of this GB, and still won't be anywhere near comprehensive. Selfishly, I am trying to keep this process manageable for myself as well!

So unless there is overwhelming consensus in the survey (please only fill out once!) that certain games should be removed, we are going to stick with the 36 games laid out and the 6 extra games to add. I understand that some will disagree, but I think there are easy solutions for folks to individualize to your preferences:

1) If you don't want to have the duplication in your home game it's easy to just remove those cards!
2) As I said before, I am happy to provide the design files to you to produce your own additional game cards. I may have designs for games you want from my personal set so you won't even have to do the design work.
3) Mixed games and preferences are always evolving so this set will likely get stale. If this goes well, we can consider doing an "expansion pack" next year where some games that didn't make the cut this time can be considered if you don't want to make your own individual cards.

Thanks for doing this, it's akin to herding cats.

I understand the goal being for you 1st point. I'm looking at this set as a core. Love the expansion pack idea, give everyone a chance to argue for their favorite games next year too.

You'll never get consensus, guess where the middle is and go with it, I for one won't complain, I'll enjoy the lack of effort on my part and the cost savings. If I really really want more games, I can always participate in an expansion pack later, or do something myself.

Once again thanks for taking on this project and the aggravation that it could become.

 

[JustinInMN]

I am pretty sure you can figure it out when two boards are dealt

If you are mixing single board and double board games you can't tell which is which preflop. Having the right card out at least puts the onus on the player to look for himself instead of having to ask over seven loudmouths "what is this game again?"

It is exactly the same as differentiating between limt, PL and NL, in fact even more obvious.

I don't think it's exactly the same, but I do agree it isn't as useful to repeat cards where the mechanics of the game are the same, the stakes and betting are the o my difference.

Though I do kind of get it may be handy in a forced rotation situation where both forms are played to have two cards.

Just trying to save cards so we can have more games in the 42 card limitation.

I can appreciate that.

 

[moose]

If you are mixing single board and double board games you can't tell which is which preflop. Having the right card out at least puts the onus on the player to look for himself instead of having to ask over seven loudmouths "what is this game again?"

I'd rather have another game card than lose the opportunity berate a player for not paying attention. Plus I'd rather not have a player ask, what's this game and have to respond, well it didn't get made because we only had 42 cards so we don't have one. At least you can point to the PLO card and say, it's double board.

Besides your preflop strategy is not onerously affected by single board vs double board so what's the point?

 

[ruskba]

I'd rather have another game card than lose the opportunity berate a player for not paying attention. Plus I'd rather not have a player ask, what's this game and have to respond, well it didn't get made because we only had 42 cards so we don't have one. At least you can point to the PLO card and say, it's double board.

Besides your preflop strategy is not onerously affected by single board vs double board so what's the point?

For my plaques I just have a bright red "Double Board" plaque that can be applied to whatever game is chosen. Solves the problems of letting everyone know, and not having to print duplicates just to say double board.

 

[mnebesny]

Survey submitted, thanks.

 

[power13]

Last call to fill out the survey! I will close it tomorrow. Please only fill out once.

For a preview, there's been a lot of responses, which is great. It seems like there is consensus on card colors (by game type) and logo choice (no logo). On the open game slots there is a wide range of input - 36 unique games so far, with only 6 getting more than one nomination. I will consolidate and we'll whittle it down from the nominees using a poll in the thread if it can accommodate, otherwise I'll create a poll in another google form.

 

[Eloe2000]

I gave a lot of thought before launching this, and I wanted to share my thinking regarding a few of the points folks have been raising:

1) In terms of duplication of variants (double board, hi/lo), I think that perspective on this comes down to how people will use this set. If you play a fixed mix, then having unique cards for each game in the mix is critical as two variants can be in the same mix. If you are using this to select a game in dealer's choice, it's less necessary to have unique cards and consolidating the cards frees up "slots" for other games. I would argue that for dealer's choice, a binder with @abby99 's cards is actually a much better solution - it is comprehensive and a much easier way to flip through games at the table than a big deck of cards. This GB is focused on allowing folks to spread a mix rotation, as is done in casinos where they have separate cards for the variants. Having separate cards for NLH/LHE and maybe Omaha/PLO is a good one - I personally never play a limit/big bet mix but that is done and so those will be included on the poll to see if people want separate cards for those. I think the point of consolidating really is about freeing up slots for a broader set of games, which is related to the next point.

2) Regarding adding games, either by consolidating the existing list or adding to the number of cards: process-wise this isn't realistic. I do want to allow for feedback on the game list, which is why we left 6 slots open. The current list of 36 has been well researched with @abby99 's input and vast knowledge on this subject, and I do believe these represent the overwhelming majority of games that most people play in most settings. And I think 6 extra games is a chance for folks to weigh in on ones that were missed or individual favorites, and for the group to find consensus on which of those the most people will get utility from. Getting this opinionated forum to agree even on 6 games may be a challenge, let alone 16 or 26. There is very low likelihood of having consensus on a larger set of games, and the logical conclusion there is expanding the set to cover all the individual requests, and there being a lot of games most folks will not play. Larger sets become more expensive to produce and the individual shipping jumps up at 56 cards and over. Doing a comprehensive deck may end up being >2x the price of this GB, and still won't be anywhere near comprehensive. Selfishly, I am trying to keep this process manageable for myself as well!

So unless there is overwhelming consensus in the survey (please only fill out once!) that certain games should be removed, we are going to stick with the 36 games laid out and the 6 extra games to add. I understand that some will disagree, but I think there are easy solutions for folks to individualize to your preferences:

1) If you don't want to have the duplication in your home game it's easy to just remove those cards!
2) As I said before, I am happy to provide the design files to you to produce your own additional game cards. I may have designs for games you want from my personal set so you won't even have to do the design work.
3) Mixed games and preferences are always evolving so this set will likely get stale. If this goes well, we can consider doing an "expansion pack" next year where some games that didn't make the cut this time can be considered if you don't want to make your own individual cards.

Thank you for doing this. It sounds like you both have spent quite a bit of time and thought on this so far which is greatly appreciated. I am on board with whatever you have chosen.

 

[power13]

The survey is now closed. I've create a new poll from the game nominations to narrow down to the final 6 games. See the original post for more info and link to the new poll.

 

[warma]

Missed the survey, but I’m interested!

 

[power13]

Currently 20 responses vs. 68 to the original survey. If you are still planning to participate in the GB please respond to the latest poll (one time only please).

I will close it Sunday night and report the responses next week. Then I'll create a draft of the designs to post for comment. Thanks!

 

[Forty4]

Last call to fill out the survey! I will close it tomorrow. Please only fill out once.

For a preview, there's been a lot of responses, which is great. It seems like there is consensus on card colors (by game type) and logo choice (no logo). On the open game slots there is a wide range of input - 36 unique games so far, with only 6 getting more than one nomination. I will consolidate and we'll whittle it down from the nominees using a poll in the thread if it can accommodate, otherwise I'll create a poll in another google form.

I didn’t see this survey what was it?

 

[ovo]

following with interest

 

[power13]

I didn’t see this survey what was it?

It's still open, use the link in the post. It is to narrow down the 38 games nominated to 6 to be added to the set for production

 

[Forty4]

It's still open, use the link in the post. It is to narrow down the 38 games nominated to 6 to be added to the set for production

The first survey. I did the second 6 choice one.

 

[power13]

First survey was just nominating games and some design feedback (color scheme, logo, etc)

 

[upNdown]

Wow, there are a lot of pineapple variants on that list. Do people play a lot of pineapple? I’ve never cared for it, but I supppse it could be a good gateway drug to mixed games?

 

[power13]

Wow, there are a lot of pineapple variants on that list. Do people play a lot of pineapple? I’ve never cared for it, but I supppse it could be a good gateway drug to mixed games?

Not me personally - my group only spreads CP and CP8, but lots of votes for Pineapple, Lazy and some of the more exotic ones so far. I feel like multiple rounds of discards makes the game SLOOOW so try to avoid them.

CP is definitely the gateway drug for hold'em players into mixed games!

 

[John Zoidberg]

Voted in new poll, and in for (at least) 1 set.

Thanks for the time and effort.

 

[ATLarchip]

My response to the new poll is, “whatever you all think they should be.” I’m in for one set. But have no idea what any of these games are. That was the point in getting a set, to learn more about the different games. So I didn’t want to cast my vote and affect the outcome. I’ll leave it to you all the experts. But I’m in for one set please. Thanks for running this.

 

[power13]

OK the results of the game selection poll are below. There were 35 respondents and 33 unique games receiving a vote.

The people love Pineapple variants! The votes dropped off meaningfully after the top 8 and more than 50% of the votes were for those 8 games. Showmaha and Cincinnatti tied for #6 so we need to do an informal tie-breaker for the last card. If you are planning to buy a set and have a preference for either of those games, please reply in this thread. The 5 that are definitely in are:

Pineapple
Lazy Pineapple
Very Crazy Pineapple
Ludicrous Pineapple (aka Watermelon in FL casinos and in my home game)
5 Card Draw

After we break the tie I will create a draft PDF of the plaque designs and include a link in the 2nd post of this thread. I would appreciate everyone doing a proof read and making any suggested changes. Once finalized we can move to the order and production stage!

 

[John Zoidberg]

“Planning to buy, no preference between tie breaker options” bump.

 

[davethesave]

VERY INTERESTED. Will be buying and following this with interest!!!

THANK YOU @power13

 

[Ghoti]

Following! I'll definitely be in for some of/a set of these.

 

[SimpleFish]

Seems no one wants to break the tie here..

 

[davethesave]

 

[power13]

Seems no one wants to break the tie here..

I made the executive decision - showmaha. Working on the designs right now.

 

[SeanGecko]

Buying one,keep me updated I missed this.