Dumb question about a raise or call. (9 Viewers)

[AcesUp907]

$1/3 game.

Players raises to $6

Next player puts 2 $5 chips in without saying anything.

Call or raise?

I say raise because it’s not 1 chip and it’s enough for a legit raise.

What is the correct ruling?

 

[LeLe]

Raise

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

It's 100% a raise but I'm dying to hear why someone thought this was a call...

 

[bmacpoker]

Why wouldn't it be a raise?

 

[AcesUp907]

The reasoning behind it is that the player only had 2 $5 chips to call or that there was no verbal raise.

 

[Eriks]

Min raise would be to 9, he made it 10 AND used more than one chip to do it; raisy daisy!

 

[WedgeRock]

He should have said call, then put out two $5 chips.

The dealer should have clarified he meant to raise.

Absent both, it's a raise to $10. In a friendly home game, I allow it as a call, but explain why it's ambiguous so it's hopefully avoided in the future.

 

[UncleMilty]

He should have said call, then put out two $5 chips.

The dealer should have clarified he meant to raise.

Absent both, it's a raise to $10. In a friendly home game, I allow it as a call, but explain why it's ambiguous so it's hopefully avoided in the future.

Correct, and as a dealer and/or host, I would ask the player their intentions and move on.

 

[Pokerdweebz]

Sorry everyone, this is a call

 

[Poker Zombie]

Man, I hate to go against the group. Instead I'll just post the TDA rule...

Rule 45: Multiple Chip Betting.

“A: If facing a bet, unless raise or all-in is declared first, a multiple-chip bet (including a bet of your last chips) is a call if every chip is needed to make the call; i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves less than the call amount. B: If every chip is not needed to make the call; i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves the call amount or more: 1) if the player has chips remaining, the bet is governed by the 50% standard in Rule 43; 2) if the player’s last chips are bet he or she is all-in whether reaching the 50% threshold or not.”

In the OP's case, a single $5 chip was not enough to make the call, so two $5 chips without declaration is a call.

TDA primarily handles tournaments, but unless cash rules are different I'd have to go with this. Show me a different ruling.

 

[Pokerdweebz]

Man, I hate to go against the group. Instead I'll just post the TDA rule...


In the OP's case, a single $5 chip was not enough to make the call, so two $5 chips without declaration is a call.

TDA primarily handles tournaments, but unless cash rules are different I'd have to go with this. Show me a different ruling.

Cash is the same

 

[BGinGA]

Just another example why one should always make a verbal declaration before a physical action. It ALWAYS makes things easier for everybody.

 

[upNdown]

Man, I hate to go against the group. Instead I'll just post the TDA rule...


In the OP's case, a single $5 chip was not enough to make the call, so two $5 chips without declaration is a call.

TDA primarily handles tournaments, but unless cash rules are different I'd have to go with this. Show me a different ruling.

It's funny how, for a game we play so much, so many of us don't know so many of the rules.
When I read this originally, my gut said it was a raise, but there was a little thing buzzing in the back of my brain about it being two chips. This rule refreshed my memory and I've definitely read it and thought about it before, and yet I was still ready to rule the other way.

 

[casinochipper22]

the player who threw out two red chips must be on his phone... because he just made a CALL!

 

[Bluegrass Poker]

the player who threw out two red chips must be on his phone... because he just made a CALL!

Booo.

 

[UniLover]

I would think it's a straight up raise.

Did he have any smaller chips? If yes then raise. If no then call.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Did he have any smaller chips? If yes then raise. If no then call.

5¢/10¢ game. Player facing a $7.85 bet silently puts out 2 $5s to call. You ask for a count of his fracs to determine call or raise?

 

[UniLover]

5¢/10¢ game. Player facing a $9.85 bet silently puts out 2 $5s to call. You ask for a count of his fracs player to determine call or raise?

OP is $1/$3 game but ok.

 

[WedgeRock]

TDA rule

$1/3 game.

Tournament rules don't necessarily apply to a cash game.

 

[Nickamas]

This is a call at literally every cash/tournament game I have played at at every single home game/casino.

What is going on in this thread?

 

[casinochipper22]

What is going on in this thread?

the internet. that is what is going on with this thread. a post titled "is the sky blue" would probably generate 100 comments, 50 gifs, a dozen different theories, 5 racial slurs, 3 personal attacks, and at least one member banned.

that is the beauty of the internet.

 

[glynn]

Cue an eight-page thread about a rule that nobody else anywhere disagrees about.

 

[SwissChip]

If he don‘t announce ‚raise‘, it‘s a simple call

 

[upNdown]

This is a call at literally every cash/tournament game I have played at at every single home game/casino.

What is going on in this thread?

It's not a common issue - it doesn't come up very often, so people aren't familiar with the rule.
And I think what complicates the issue is that since everybody is familiar with the one chip call, they try to assume some sort of weird converse where if two chips are used, it must be a raise if it could possibly be.

 

[TheBigTater]

Without a verbal announcement this is a call most everywhere.

 

[drdr]

The TDA may say it is a call. But this is confusing when put along side the single chip rule. In the absence of verbal statement two chips would simply appear as a raise so long as the amount is greater than min raise.
Since so many thought raise, I wonder when TDA introduced two chip calls. Is it a more recent change that has caught us out?

 

[drdr]

It's not a common issue - it doesn't come up very often, so people aren't familiar with the rule.
And I think what complicates the issue is that since everybody is familiar with the one chip call, they try to assume some sort of weird converse where if two chips are used, it must be a raise if it could possibly be.

So, the rule is any amount of chips pushed is a call unless verbally stated as a raise? Or only applies to one or two chips pushed?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I'm gonna stand by my earlier likes lol, but I do hate calling with an amount of chips above a raise. Yes to all calls for verbal, I think Im just used to playing with my beginners and reminding them each step of the way.

 

[Pokerdweebz]

It's not called the one chip rule. It's the oversized chip rule

 

[casinochipper22]

whoops, I meant for that to be a reply to your question, @drdr

if you can take the smallest chip out of what was bet and the total amount of the chips remaining is less than a call, then it is a call. this is how the rule was explained to me.