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Explain the Wynn Chip Hype to Me Like I'm a 4 Year Old (4 Viewers)

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justsomedude said:
And, honestly, I don't think ANYONE here is trying to troll you, they just want to make sure these chips are properly categorized for future resale, so as not to mislead potential buyers.
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I have to think part of the rawness comes from the fact that there is not much Trail can post without being picked apart with condescending posts and under handed barbs in threads he's not even participating in from a small group of people since not long after he registered here and started posting. It's lolfunny how apparent it is to an outside point of view, also a little sad when peoples "identity" gets so wrapped up in a web site they think they have to police every post down to spelling errors.

Seriously, your point you are making is very valid, and Trail is a smart guy that's not going to argue with you out of spite (even though that's how some people treat him), I think he is 100% aware that they are not chips used in a tournament inside the Wynn and since we got the story about these a couple of hours ago never will they be referenced like that again... But let me ask you this, see if you can see it from the other side of things: for all the talk and commotion about who can call these what and who needs to protect the community from whatever, how many people that are going on about this have spent half of today haranguing Josh at Apache to change his description of these chips on his website? The answer would almost certainly be zero, as a matter of fact I bet no one is even thinking along those lines because it's not Trail making the statement it's Josh.

You are 100% right about what you are saying, I don't think anybody will argue that. Some of it sure feels like it's 10% about the message and 90% about the messenger imo. Maybe I'm just a little too sensitive though ( ;) ) , I used to think this was one of the best forums I have ever been a part of, and I've been a member of many and even helped moderate a few, but in the last 6 months or so I have felt a little shift in posting styles and the way people are treated. It didn't start with Trail and it hasn't ended with him either, but it's there... Maybe I just never noticed it before, but I know some of the "closest" member bases and most successful forums I've ever been a part of didn't like the mentality of posse up when it wasn't necessary.


Maybe after the election is over and we finally elect that asteroid we can get back to normal. :D
 
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I conceded that they were not "casino chips" in the sense that they were in play inside of a Las Vegas Casino. But again, I'll point out that this was never up for debate. This is a strawman argument which was never argued against.

We were arguing whether they were made FOR the Wynn Casino or the Wynn family.

They were made FOR the Wynn Casino to be used in a charity event. My entire point was that they are officially tied to the Wynn Casino. The Wynn commissioned them, the Wynn paid for them, the Wynn wrote the expenses off on their tax return, and as it turns out, the Wynn even used them for a very real celebrity charity event.
 
Apache said:
The guy in Vegas who was selling them on eBay told me the chips were being used inside the Wynn casino for training dealers.
So there you go. They were used in the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas.
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Damn it Josh, this was dying down and now you just threw gas on the fire... ;)

Putting in an order for a few of your dealer buttons you just posted, insane price on those, looking forward to seeing what they feel like.
 
Apache said:
The guy in Vegas who was selling them on eBay told me the chips were being used inside the Wynn casino for training dealers.
So there you go. They were used in the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas.
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I met that guy. He told me he had a great deal on a bridge too... I'm waiting to hear back on the details. But it seems legit.

:LOL: :laugh::ROFL: :ROFLMAO::rolleyes::D:p
 
justsomedude said:
If you want to say they were "made for the Wynn Casino," I think you need to qualify it by saying, "they were made as a promotional tool for the Wynn Casino."

There's a difference between, "chips made for PLAY in a casino," and, "fun night chips made as part of a marketing/charity effort at the behest of the Wynn Casino."

Two very different things.

And, honestly, I don't think ANYONE here is trying to troll you, they just want to make sure these chips are properly categorized for future resale, so as not to mislead potential buyers. These chips were recently sold and resold under the premise that they were prototype or possible tournament chips. If it had been known that they were promotional chips used at a charity event, it could have drastically altered the resale value, for better or worse. I think that's all everyone is trying to get across here.

No one disputes the fact that they were ordered BY some one sitting in an office AT the Wynn Casino.
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Don't worry. There will not be any questions AT ALL about their provenance in all of my future listings of these chips! I can sure as shit guarantee that!!! :D:D:D

However, I will still refer to them as a Tournament Set because that's how I would categorize them. I argue that in the poker chipping world, chips are typically referred to as being either 'cash sets' or 'tourney sets' based on their denoms, not because of whether or not they were previously put in play inside of a casino for real tournaments.
 
Apache said:
The guy in Vegas who was selling them on eBay told me the chips were being used inside the Wynn casino for training dealers.
So there you go. They were used in the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas.
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justsomedude said:
I met that guy. He told me he had a great deal on a bridge too... I'm waiting to hear back on the details. But it seems legit.

:LOL: :laugh::ROFL: :ROFLMAO::rolleyes::D:p
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I suppose it's plausible, but I highly doubt that story. These chips are far too minty to have been played with enough for that to be true. Only a few of mine have any signs of use (disregarding the damage that occurred during shipping that is).
 
RainmanTrail said:
I suppose it's plausible, but I highly doubt that story. These chips are far too minty to have been played with enough for that to be true. Only a few of mine have any signs of use (disregarding the damage that occurred during shipping that is).
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There's no incentive to rotate the set for the wynn. They don't suffer from our condition ocd. They probably only needed one or two tables worth to handle training. The rest might never have been unpacked after shipping back from NYC.
 
RainmanTrail said:
....I said they were without question for the Wynn Casino based on several data points, which is why I made the tax return statement. I was right. Why is this so difficult to admit? I really don't get it... Lol

And no! They were NOT made for Steve Wynn. The were made for the Wynn Casino!!!....
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The article I mentioned said they were made for Mrs. Wynn, for this promotional event in NY. It doesn't say what was being promoted, whether it was Wynn LV or Wynn Macau (or wherever). Does it matter whether she used the Wynn Casino corporation to front for her in ordering the chips from Paulson? Does it matter whether she used the Wynn corporation, of which they were reported to own 31%, to sponsor her pet charity? Probably not.

I own a couple of small corporations, and they're sometimes useful for a number of personally inspired things, as insignificant as providing access to wholesale--only sources for various goods. This goes on everywhere.

It seems to me that when someone argues that these chips were made "for the casino", there is some implied (or hoped to be inferred) connection with the casino operation. Something more historically significant than having chips made to sell in the Wynn souvenir store, as Paulsons were sold in the Paulson store or Gamblers General Store, way back when.

So in the end, they're nice chips, that many people prize. They're fairly rare. But it's pretty obvious that they were never intended for or used in the actual casino operation.

Isn't that enough?
 
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I don't have an issue with calling them Wynn tournament chips. That's how I would likely describe them. I would oppose the use of "From the Wynn Las Vegas" or "From the Wynn Macau" or wherever else Wynn has a branded hotel. "From the Wynning Hand fundraiser The Cancer Center’s Department of Pediatrics, sponsored by the Wynn" would be a fair description.

As for dealer training... Doubtful. The Wynn hires professional dealers with a full resume, not amateurs (at least in their card room, I suspect the pits are equally professional).

I'll take Rainman up on that eBeer, and will happily have beers with him at a future meetup (Vegas 2017 RM?). I don't think there's any bad blood here. The fact that this got drawn out, created enough incentive to find the actual origin of these chips, 5 months after they've been circulating.

Hate the process, not the players.

Love the results.
 
12thMan said:
Makes complete sense, that's exactly what he was saying and you would be wise to warn everybody of Trails disingenuous ways... I would also assume that whenever you give your opinion on anything poker chip related people should link to your posts where you said you were leaning towards "knock off, relabeled home market chips" right? Or is that something only a petulant child would do, or more accurately, threaten... Thanks for keeping everybody safe Zombie, you're a saint!!

lol

Unnnnnnfucking real the grade school mentality of some people on here.

Chip on everybody!! :D
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I didn't sure as shit guarentee it. My first post in this thread I mentioned I was going to keep silent, but the misleading guarentee pulled me in.

We have the truth now, and that's what matters to me. It's what should matter to all of us.
 
I think people are arguing very small points now, and only one of them has been YELLING in the thread. I would also be passionate about nice exclusive chips I just spilled out $8k for but RT is just as guilty of stoking the fire here as anyone else. He has been controversial since his appearance on the forum and tends to come off like a know it all and some have made it a point in the last 6 months or so to poke the bear so to speak on any topic he becomes involved in.

I say bury this hatchet - well done Justsomedude on discovery of the true origin of these beauties, really it's all been kind of a childish pissing match after that and unfortunately brought out the embarrassing side of a few for everyone to see.

I like Mel's take on them the best, and apologize to the forum for any small part I played in this silly, silly argument.

Finally, best of luck to all who can afford these, I do think they are smokin hot.

BPT
 
Not sure why, but I ran across this recently and it seems appropriate here:

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Apache said:
The guy in Vegas who was selling them on eBay told me the chips were being used inside the Wynn casino for training dealers.
So there you go. They were used in the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas.
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Silly discussion...but if these are considered LV casino chips, then they would still be redeemable (hence the reason LV chips should always be destroyed).
But when I see you selling majestic chips as " the best clay chip available next to Paulson chips"...then I understand it's all about the benjamins
 
Thomacetti said:
Silly discussion...but if these are considered LV casino chips, then they would still be redeemable (hence the reason LV chips should always be destroyed).
But when I see you selling majestic chips as " the best clay chip available next to Paulson chips"...then I understand it's all about the benjamins
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Actually Vegas chips are not always redeemable - they post a notice when they are going to stop redeeming a particular chip issue and once that deadline passes they are no longer live. Otherwise I have a Dunes 10k chip I need to redeem. If I am wrong someone please correct me and I'll apologize for the incorrect info.
 
In N.J. , ( unless something recently changed) , closed Casino Chips are always redeemable by the Casino control commission , & it was my understanding Vegas as was mentioned have " expired" chips no longer redeemable.
 
Poker Zombie said:
It's hilarious that you mention Calvinball, because while going through some old, old boxes yesterday, Mrs Zombie found this...

Calvin, the voice of reason.
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I can't believe you found an OG, in-color newspaper print of that particular Calvinball strip. Damn.
 
Apache said:
The guy in Vegas who was selling them on eBay told me the chips were being used inside the Wynn casino for training dealers.
So there you go. They were used in the Wynn Casino in Las Vegas.
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This seems pretty likely after seeing these chips that @Chbyfngr found on eBay...
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