paraDoxl
High Hand
Sounds like the start of a great joke
But I'm no stranger to tinkering around with rotations - just in a different sense as I'm a software engineer
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But I'm no stranger to tinkering around with rotations - just in a different sense as I'm a software engineer
paraDoxl
High Hand
Some more thoughts, some new results regarding chip colors and spot progression!
Note: Due to wild experimenting, the labels are incorrect here for the grey and the DG blue chip. Colors on the labels need adjustment too...
Denoms would be 5c - 20c - 1€ - 5€ - 20€
As always, any feedback is appreciated!
Note: Due to wild experimenting, the labels are incorrect here for the grey and the DG blue chip. Colors on the labels need adjustment too...
Denoms would be 5c - 20c - 1€ - 5€ - 20€
- Made a member chip with 1/2 pie resembling the emblem of my hometown. Artwork still missing
- Replaced 20c chip with a new grey chip. I probably would've preferred white, but I don't want to pay the additional fee for bright white and I had some samples where the brass flakes on the edges oxidised and turned green, so I probably don't want to risk that. Any experiences here?
- made the DG blue chip 20€ and the yellow one 5€
- made one pair of blurple spots dark green on the DG blue chip
As always, any feedback is appreciated!
I think you should try white background inlays on these.
paraDoxl
High Hand
Toyed around some more, got a followup question: Do you think retro blue and (regular) green on the fourth chip (denoted 25, still haven't gotten around to put in some more work for the inlays 
) would be to risky regarding dirty stacks? I have the feeling it might just be enough, but I figured I'd rather tap a bit more into the vast knowledge of this community
In general, I would like to keep the green/bright white edge spots, but I can imagine opting for regular blue, DG peacock or imperial blue on the body color for this chip. Probably in that order - imperial blue might just be too greenish for green edge spots and DG blue might just be a tad too bright for my liking...
) would be to risky regarding dirty stacks? I have the feeling it might just be enough, but I figured I'd rather tap a bit more into the vast knowledge of this community In general, I would like to keep the green/bright white edge spots, but I can imagine opting for regular blue, DG peacock or imperial blue on the body color for this chip. Probably in that order - imperial blue might just be too greenish for green edge spots and DG blue might just be a tad too bright for my liking...
AlbinoDragon
Flush
^^^ This. Retro blue is pretty dark when seen in person vs. the designer. If you have a well lit room you are going to be using these in, it might be OK, but I'd be careful. The spots might be the only thing that helps tell these apart on the table.
paraDoxl
High Hand
Kind of what I've feared - thanks for the feedback. So I guess I'll just use regular blue there... And finally start with the inlay changes (background tesselation, bright and dark variants and size adjustments) Seems I've still got quite a bit of this journey ahead of me
paraDoxl
High Hand
It has been quite a while since I last had time to work on this set, but I think I've (finally) settled on a color palette for the whole set I'm happy with. Can't really find time and motivation to finish the labels atm, but I'll get around to it at some point ^^
Currently, my sole concern remains the shade of green for the 500 edge spots. I've also tried dg green and light green instead of green:
Green:
+ I like the color the best (resembles hometown color the most)
+ best contrast with white part of edge spot
- worst contrast with blue body.
- I haven't found any blue chips with green edge spots in the Chip DB - might be a hint that this doesn't work well...
DG Green:
+ better contrast with body
- worse contrast with white part of edge spot
- color feels a bit too bright for me
Light Green:
+ better contrast with body
- worse contrast with white part of edge spot (but might be better than DG Green? Can't really decide based on the samples)
- color looks a bit too turquoise for my liking
With the sample chips I have, I'm heavily leaning towards green. Just would like to make sure I'm considering everything here, so if you guys have some more feedback here, I'd really appreciate it
Small note at the end: I've also experimented with inverting edge spot and body colors for the 5, and I think the chip itself might look even better than the red 5. But even though red is a signal color and would most likely reduce the chance of dirty stacks, I feel this still might be too close to the black 100. I might reconsider when finishing the labels, but currently, I'm also more fond of the red version. Again, feedback is welcome!
Currently, my sole concern remains the shade of green for the 500 edge spots. I've also tried dg green and light green instead of green:
Green:
+ I like the color the best (resembles hometown color the most)
+ best contrast with white part of edge spot
- worst contrast with blue body.
- I haven't found any blue chips with green edge spots in the Chip DB - might be a hint that this doesn't work well...
DG Green:
+ better contrast with body
- worse contrast with white part of edge spot
- color feels a bit too bright for me
Light Green:
+ better contrast with body
- worse contrast with white part of edge spot (but might be better than DG Green? Can't really decide based on the samples)
- color looks a bit too turquoise for my liking
With the sample chips I have, I'm heavily leaning towards green. Just would like to make sure I'm considering everything here, so if you guys have some more feedback here, I'd really appreciate it
Small note at the end: I've also experimented with inverting edge spot and body colors for the 5, and I think the chip itself might look even better than the red 5. But even though red is a signal color and would most likely reduce the chance of dirty stacks, I feel this still might be too close to the black 100. I might reconsider when finishing the labels, but currently, I'm also more fond of the red version. Again, feedback is welcome!
paraDoxl
High Hand
It's been a while, but I've been finally able to get going on the changes to the inlays. Started with white as requested by @allforcharity 
Just noticed the background tiling might be a bit too opaque on this chip 
I've already created a dark version too, just need to adjust the colors for the different denoms. Here, the background tiling has a better visibility.
Quite happy how the tilings turned out btw., so thanks to @improviseallday for the nice tip!
I just might end up conflicted here, since I like the black inlay for the black chip much better, but I have to admit, the bright inlay does look very nice on all the other chips... Nevertheless it feels like I'm very close to the finish line and I guess I'll be able to pull the trigger for my CPC order before they stop taking orders (until the potential buyer might be taking over) in April. So big thanks to everyone involved in this, I've learned quite a bit and got lots of useful advice and inspirations.
As always, thoughts and feedback is very welcome!
Just noticed the background tiling might be a bit too opaque on this chip I've already created a dark version too, just need to adjust the colors for the different denoms. Here, the background tiling has a better visibility.
Quite happy how the tilings turned out btw., so thanks to @improviseallday for the nice tip!
I just might end up conflicted here, since I like the black inlay for the black chip much better, but I have to admit, the bright inlay does look very nice on all the other chips... Nevertheless it feels like I'm very close to the finish line and I guess I'll be able to pull the trigger for my CPC order before they stop taking orders (until the potential buyer might be taking over) in April. So big thanks to everyone involved in this, I've learned quite a bit and got lots of useful advice and inspirations.
As always, thoughts and feedback is very welcome!
Definitely go with the white inlay
The dark inlay is perfection. Just change the Font to the block style like on the white chip, eliminate Private, and make card room also block type face, Eliminate script text altogeter
Who ever said the while label looks better in Nuts (hahaha)
Who ever said the while label looks better in Nuts (hahaha)
These are the Dark Labels/inlay that are the best !!!
paraDoxl
High Hand
Nice 5. How about a traditional Vegas (lavender base) 500? 25 and 500 look too similar to me.
Also change the chip designer background to gray.
Also change the chip designer background to gray.
paraDoxl
High Hand
Ha, this color combo was way to nice to not already be out there, I guess...
I guess the most realistic option for me is to change to 3V12 spots on the 500 to reduce the amount of green.
You may have a point here, but I really don't like Lavender. I tried using DG peacock (and pretty much everything else) as an alternative body color, but I always ended up liking blue better for various reasons...
I guess the most realistic option for me is to change to 3V12 spots on the 500 to reduce the amount of green.
The 2k chip:
Love it. Unusual, but useful, uncommon denom, and the chip colors explode there.
Inlays:
Don't think. Don't hesitate. Do the white inlays. They provide an overall high contrast to the chip colors *and* draw more attention to the inlay artwork.
The 5 chip:
I changed my mind thanks to @SteveEH
The 25's and 500's have a high chance of dirty stacking. Consider that.
Love it. Unusual, but useful, uncommon denom, and the chip colors explode there.
Inlays:
Don't think. Don't hesitate. Do the white inlays. They provide an overall high contrast to the chip colors *and* draw more attention to the inlay artwork.
The 5 chip:
I changed my mind thanks to @SteveEH
The 25's and 500's have a high chance of dirty stacking. Consider that.
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Lots before me used retro red and maroon.
If you change the 100 to charcoal you could use purple. You don't like retro lavender either? Or pink? Light blue would provide better contrast too.
SixSpeedFury
Full House
25s and 500s will cause dirty stacks/pots, just fyi.
paraDoxl
High Hand
Revisited a solution from earlier and changed the spot color on the 500 to DG green as well as the DG green spot on the 25 to light green. Also resorted to changing the pattern back to 3V12
Does that look better to you wrt dirty stacks? (@SteveEH @SixSpeedFury @Felt_Lizard )
Also, I tried out changing the font color to match the body color and quite liked the results. (though I still need to do some finetuning on the colors) This might just tip me in favor of the bright inlays
And, once again, thank you for all the helpful feedback, guys!
Does that look better to you wrt dirty stacks? (@SteveEH @SixSpeedFury @Felt_Lizard )
As a body color, I'd pretty much only consider light blue, but then I'd go much rather with DG peacock as body color. I tried Lavender as spot color next to Blurple on the 25, that didn't look too shabby. Also tried a bunch of others, but discarded them for various reasons (color repetition, bad compatibility with other colors). Chocolate kind of remained. Comparing them side by side, I still think the DG Green version is the best, but when considering the 500, all other three are probably better. Any thoughts or other ideas for the spot colors that could help with avoiding potential dirty stacks?
Also, I tried out changing the font color to match the body color and quite liked the results. (though I still need to do some finetuning on the colors) This might just tip me in favor of the bright inlays
And, once again, thank you for all the helpful feedback, guys!
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VerdeChipper
Sitting Out
I really like your original layout of the logos (triangles) & type and they way you changed their colors (and the denominations) to tie in with the color of the chips. It really helps when chips are splashed in the pot - if the labels are all exactly the same colors, they kinda start to blend together. I'm guessing you have an outer ring that ties to the chip color as well. looks good. The red, green and peacock have good contrast and will pop on the table. For black chips... it really depends on the color of your table felt. Dark green felt and black chips can sometimes blend in - but, its looks great so I could live with that. I also really liked the gray version of the $100 as well.
** If you are worried about the label being too crowded, you could try a version that removes the small type (the card room etc) Just use the PARADOX lettering, the triangles and the dollar amounts. That way you can enlarge the denominations slightly and still have room for everything to breath. Less is more - especially when you only have a 1" circle to work with. If you ever get a custom felt printed, you can put that additional information on the felt since there is so much more room. The chips will still be custom. Everything will be more readable. Good luck - it never ends
** If you are worried about the label being too crowded, you could try a version that removes the small type (the card room etc) Just use the PARADOX lettering, the triangles and the dollar amounts. That way you can enlarge the denominations slightly and still have room for everything to breath. Less is more - especially when you only have a 1" circle to work with. If you ever get a custom felt printed, you can put that additional information on the felt since there is so much more room. The chips will still be custom. Everything will be more readable. Good luck - it never ends
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500 chip:
Mock up purple/lavender base colors with whatever spots you like and show us what ~those~ look like.
Mock up purple/lavender base colors with whatever spots you like and show us what ~those~ look like.
I am way late to this party, as this if the first I have seen this thread, but here is my two cents...
- You have been through a bunch of inlays, but I haven't seen any that are better than the ones you started with in August 2023. The triangle and the number draws in the chip color without going overboard. I like the triangles being prominent at the top and the font on the Paradox.
- I like the black inlays. They make the colors pop more.
- In your 500 chip, I actually liked the light green the best for the edge spot. If you stick with the blurple and DG green on the 25 chip, the contrast will be more pronounced.
- I am a bit of a tradionalist, so the 2000 chip is a little busy for me with the two different color combo edge spots. I like the yellow chip color but perhaps tone it back to a 3D14+ edge spot with one of the blues and either the light chocolate or maroon.
- I also like your original blurple 500 and I agree with an earlier comment that if you make the edge spots dramatically different between them, they won't blend in with the 100 and I think the light green/bright white 3V12+ does that nicely.
- So when all said and done, it would look something like this but of course with your inlays...
paraDoxl
High Hand
Well, here are some drafts... but then, I tried those spot colors with a blue base and felt it just looked better that way
Still not a fan of Lavender as body color and I fear using blurple would also kind of entail switching the 100 to charcoal (what I also would like to avoid, just think the black 100 looks way better)
Take this all with a grain of salt, but sometimes I think a completely different approach to a design can help think through what you want or don't want (might even solidify your own choices!). I spent about an hour quickly remaking the inlays and just threw together a 5 min edgespot progression w/ shaped inlays (building off yours some).
Throw it all out if you want, but just conceptually where my brain goes with the overall theme if I was going to start it.
Throw it all out if you want, but just conceptually where my brain goes with the overall theme if I was going to start it.
The 2000 is the one chip that doesn’t sing to me. But iI think the 5 is the issue. By OP starting so strong with the 5, the 2000 ends up with a very complicated (here) or a very simple (above). A simpler pattern with the 5 (say an 214) allows those spot patterns to slide right one. (I might have the wrong base color on the 2000.)
Edit: clarified the 312 choice as OPs, not Cratty’s.
I am pretty sure ParaDoxl is in a fetal position under his computer by now. That said, Cratty, I am always impressed with your designs and suggestions, even when I don't agree with every element. You have gifted sense of style and flow.
This is nice but I really like the canary edge spot on the black chip and the gold/canary triangle in the inlay. That is my favorite of the whole set. And I still like the black inlays.
Green/blue 25 and blue/green 500 just don't work for me. Crattys and warmas look way better IMO, but I prefer warmas 2k
I had it easy, I just built on the wonderful work from @Cratty
paraDoxl
High Hand
I can imagine worse than having a bunch of people iterating on my idea.
I really appreciate the time you all spent on this @Cratty, @warma, @GreatWhiteDope and @VerdeChipper (and of course everybody else who had feedback for me). A lot of things to be considered here. Some thoughts here:- Not a big fan of shaped inlays - I can't really find a progression that makes sense in my head.
- Currently leaning more towards white inlays.
- I'm quite sure I don't want a lavender chip. The color just doesn't resonate with me. Looked at my samples and chips on this forum.
Maybe I should have led with a statement that I'm already very settled on the 5, 100 and 2000 when giving an update on the inlays on wednesday. Apart from the spot pattern on the 5 (low chance of becoming the tilted 212 i had earlier), I consider these 3 chips finished.
I also think that the 25 fits quite well between the 5 and the 100, so my current concern is the 500. I might change the 25 though if I find some change for the 500 that works extremely well and would somehow conflict with it.
My latest iteration still uses 3V12 spots with light chocolate and pink. Looks quite similar to the chocolate 5k Paulson previously used at Hustler Casino, just with swapped body/spot color. Here's a screenshot with updated (chip-body-colored font) inlays:
What I'd find interesting are more suggestions for the 500 regarding the spot pattern. Is there something that you think fits better between 4DS316 and 4V12? Other ideas for a blue (or maybe purple) chip, given the current lineup?
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