Hand From Tonight's Tournament (1 Viewer)

[MoscowRadio]

I was playing in the nightly $15k GTD on Bovada and was doing pretty well. I had a pretty good read on most of the more active players on the table and this hand came up.

Blinds are 125/250/25 and Hero is dealt in the CO. It gets folded around and Hero raises to 650. Button and SB fold and Villain in the BB calls. Villain has been playing a lot of speculative hands, re-raising with top pair/weak kicker, middle pair, and some air. Villain has ~12,500 and Hero covers, but barely.

There's is 1650 in the middle and the flop is . Villain checks and Hero bets 900. Hero would be fine with taking it down here, but is also happy to continue with the hand. Villain check-raises to 5,000 committing himself. Here's Hero's thought process:

Villain wouldn't do this with a set and definitely not with a straight as he'd be missing value most of the time. Villain might do this with a flush draw, but it's doubtful. The only logical thing I could think was that he has a medium-sized pair here and if that's the case then Hero is a slight favorite. However, if Hero loses the hand then he will have <10BBs.

Sticking to the original read, Hero shoves and Villain shows , but the board bricks out and Hero is out in the same orbit.

Would you have done things differently?

 

[BGinGA]

Would you have done things differently?

Yeah, I would have played in the PCF/P* tournament instead. :

 

[MoscowRadio]

Yeah, I would have played in the PCF/P* tournament instead. :

I really should have. It would've been a lot more fun.

 

[BGinGA]

To answer your question, I'm not likely to put my entire stack (or close to it) at risk with just one pair, much less just two over-cards to a connected board. I think it's an easy fold.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I probably would have played it the same way. You have to win some flips if you want to win tourneys, and you got it in as a slight favorite.

 

[slisk250]

About 7K in the pot and you need to call 4100? I might be a tough lay down but I think the math would say fold.

 

[manamongkids]

Raising to 5k doesn't come close to committing himself IMO. Still leaves himself 6k more than 40bbs.

This is a standard over play spot from hero, no reason to get in such a huge pot so deep. Villain could just as easily have nut flush with a straight draw.

 

[BGinGA]

And hero is pretty much crushed vs Axdd type hands (including likely Ad3d, Ad6d, Ad2d, or Ad7d). I don't think hero can shove thinking he's the favorite vs villian's range of calling hands.

 

[manamongkids]

Sorry I can't count 20 bbs

 

[thorwilliam]

Since it looks like we have zero fold equity, I think we should fold here since we still are pretty deep (50bb) and easily could be crushed.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Solid read, we're about 52% equity in this spot. If it was later in the tournament where we really need to chip up I might come along for the ride here, gotta win some flips. But this seems too early to be taking the risk with no fold equity (since Villain has committed half their chips)

Then again, I generally go deep in tourneys but fail to make the big cash, perhaps it's spots like this where I can build a larger stack sooner that would make the difference.

 

[MoscowRadio]

Solid read, we're about 52% equity in this spot. If it was later in the tournament where we really need to chip up I might come along for the ride here, gotta win some flips. But this seems too early to be taking the risk with no fold equity (since Villain has committed half their chips)

Then again, I generally go deep in tourneys but fail to make the big cash, perhaps it's spots like this where I can build a larger stack sooner that would make the difference.

This was my exact thought process, but looking back I think that it was too much risk. If I had won the pot it would've boosted me up to ~30,000 in chips. I was really trying not to get into a huge pot with this guy because he and were both pretty deep, but it wound up that way anyways. I can be okay with the fact that I had his range so narrowed down in this spot.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Well, you got the chips in with an equity edge. However, the edge was extremely small and if you account for your skill against the field it's probably best to avoid these spots early in a tourney as there are better opportunities to chip up that involve less risk and/or provide you with greater equity overall.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I think a few of you are forgetting how active OP said this guy was being. I would assume from that his range is wider than most, and might include any flush draw, not just the ace high, of which we are well ahead. It could even include just an open-ended straight draw, or complete air, for all we know. Don't think this is horrible at all, I think the villain overplaying pocket 7s is WAY worse. He is either flipping at best, or drawing to 6 outs the vast majority of the time.

 

[Mr Tree]

I think it all depends on how you were feeling about your stack relative to the tournament at that point. You indicated you felt pretty comfortable against the table which is a tick against playing for stacks here. Your M is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 from the info provided so you are not desperate either.

I think this is a situational thing. If you are playing at a ferocious table and need chips to keep swimming I have no problem with the move. But given that you were feeling pretty comfortable I think this is a good spot to let it go and wait for another chance. It sounds like these guys are going to give you plenty of chances to relieve them of their stacks.

 

[Ben]

This is one of those rare spots where I feel like position actually hurts you; if we were OOP here I might call the 5k and ship any turn, as villain's range (and actual holding) pretty much hates all turn cards and may not be able to call off his stack at that point. Since we can't do that and if we call villain is going to auto-shove all turns himself, calling isn't an option. I guess it's a sigh-fold, but I sure hate folding here against a maniac.

Why the hell would he make it 5k?!?! If he makes it anything normal like 2500 or whatever this is an automatic jam.

 

[MoscowRadio]

Why the hell would he make it 5k?!?! If he makes it anything normal like 2500 or whatever this is an automatic jam.

This exact bet is what made me shove. I felt like he was kind of playing his hand face-up overplaying his 77. I see this kind of thing a lot online.