Mine Help me (I am being stolen by A. Tim.) (4 Viewers)

[Bobb59]

problem with Tim A (eBay: ski-ex5)

We have a conflict on a sale eBay. The parcel in damaged summer and Tim received 75 chips instead of 95.
He asks to eBay for a total refund for not reception of the parcel. My number of follow-up and my message are not taken into account. The refund is made.
In the end I have neither money nor chips.

95 chips sold (pics eBay)

75 chips received by the buyer.

What can you advise(recommend) me?

help me please

Bobb

 

[RainmanTrail]

Hi Bob. It is very challenging to understand your English here. I can gather that you feel as though you have been cheated by ski-ex5 (who is a member here, but hasn't logged in for a long time). I know that a few people here know him, and I've even recently sold some chips to him on eBay too, so I know he's active.

It sounds like there may have been an issue with the shipping, but it's difficult to tell what exactly happened by your English. Perhaps you could post in French and have one of the other French members here translate for you.

Hopefully you can get everything worked out. But since the sale occurred on eBay, your best bet is probably to contact them directly. They are VERY much on the buyers side of pretty much all transactions.

 

[Bobb59]

Merci pour cette première réponse.
j'ai un mauvais anglais, c'est peut être aussi le problème que j'ai eu sur eBay.

j'ai envoyé 95 jetons en lettre suivie le 22/07
l'acheteur à reçu le colis très abîmé (il manque 20 jetons) pour que le colis soit dans cet état c'est qu'il a été ouvert.
c'est le même colis que j'ai toujours envoyé pour tout les membres.
le vendeur réclame un remboursement complet alors qu'il a 75 jetons used (comme d'écrit dans l'annonce)
comment est possible?
je veux bien qu'un arrangement ai lieu, mais il ne faut pas abuser.

 

[bergs]

Ande Tim - please return Bobb59 to his country of origin. Thank you.

 

[bergs]

Bobb59 - I've spoken to Ande Tim and he's raising an army (4 people with hammers oughta do) to invade France and turn the Champs- Elysees into a speed skating venue. Just fair warning in case your countryman want to proactively capitulate.

 

[Bobb59]

Bobb59 - I've spoken to Ande Tim and he's raising an army (4 people with hammers oughta do) to invade France and turn the Champs- Elysees into a speed skating venue. Just fair warning in case your countryman want to proactively capitulate.

We are collector's small community and that we do not have to steal between us.

 

[bergs]

We are collector's small community and that we do not have to steal between us.

I agree with you. I think he's going to invade France though. Something about he wants the baguettes - I didn't get it all.

 

[BGinGA]

Merci pour cette première réponse.
j'ai un mauvais anglais, c'est peut être aussi le problème que j'ai eu sur eBay.

j'ai envoyé 95 jetons en lettre suivie le 22/07
l'acheteur à reçu le colis très abîmé (il manque 20 jetons) pour que le colis soit dans cet état c'est qu'il a été ouvert.
c'est le même colis que j'ai toujours envoyé pour tout les membres.
le vendeur réclame un remboursement complet alors qu'il a 75 jetons used (comme d'écrit dans l'annonce)
comment est possible?
je veux bien qu'un arrangement ai lieu, mais il ne faut pas abuser.

Thank you for this first response .
I have a bad English, it can also be the problem I had on eBay.

I sent 95 tokens letter followed the 22/07
the buyer received the package very damaged (missing 20 chips ) for the parcel to be in this state is that it has been opened.
it is the same package I always sent to all members .
the seller claims a full refund while 75 chips used ( as written in the ad )
how is that possible?
I am willing to have an arrangement place , but do not abuse it.

From what I am able to decipher through Google translation, it appears that your shipment to the buyer was damaged during transit, and the buyer has opened an eBay case to recover his losses. I don't think that warrants calling him a thief, or publicly posting his personal information.

It is my understanding that eBay resolutions does not allow for partial refunds.

 

[Bobb59]

je voulais savoir si il était connu de la communauté
si il s'agit d'un arnaqueur récidiviste.

le mec a tout récupéré ... 75 paulson chips used st jo frontier 50c
and $200

il y a des limites.
je pense que l'acheteur a profité de mon anglais médiocre pour récupérer l'argent.

si il est ici j'aimerais une nogociation honnête.

je vous montre des photos ce soir.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

If I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the buyer received 75 chips instead of 95.

They opened a case with eBay, received a full refund, but kept the 75 chips. I would have thought the chips would need to be returned to the seller as part of the refund.

I believe Bobb59 is asking for the buyer to return the chips, as the funds were refunded.

 

[Bobb59]

yes!
thanks you cdnbeerlover

 

[atomiktoaster]

Do you want the chips back, or would you accept a partial payment for the chips actually received?

 

[mummel]

So many of these threads lately....

 

[Don Clay]

Hello

Firstable, Ive dealt several times with Tim.
None issues.

Tim is a fine member.

You wrote (in french) that Tim tries making advantage of the situation. I'm pretty sure he doesnt.

Oh and btw if you have some time to answer to my last pm (April 21st), that would be nice.
As you said we re a small community after all .

@bergs
Im so sad we re in War.
We never had before and thougt we would never.

 

[legend672]

He sent the chips, it's not his fault. The other guy has no right to a refund, Of any kind basically. . He should be glad he got the 75 that he got. Shit happens during shipping, but if they were packed correctly and sent, it's on the buyer, not the seller

 

[BGinGA]

He sent the chips, it's not his fault. The other guy has no right to a refund, Of any kind basically. . He should be glad he got the 75 that he got. Shit happens during shipping, but if they were packed correctly and sent, it's on the buyer, not the seller

Sorry, but that is utter bullshit.

 

[Don Clay]

He sent the chips, it's not his fault. The other guy has no right to a refund, Of any kind basically. . He should be glad he got the 75 that he got. Shit happens during shipping, but if they were packed correctly and sent, it's on the buyer, not the seller

You need to admit that you dont have other members version.

And Tim doesnt have to justify here as deal took place on amother site.

 

[legend672]

Sorry, but that is utter bullshit.

Why. He fulfilled his end of the deal

 

[legend672]

You need to admit that you dont have other members version.

And Tim doesnt have to justify here as deal took place on amother site.

Are you saying he only sent 75 ? When I take a pic at the p.o. Of me handing the package to the clerk, I have done my part. After that ....what am I supposed to do. ? I have no dog in this fight, but the buyer assumes the risk, same as always

 

[Don Clay]

I have no dog he

Are you saying he only sent 75 ? When I take a pic at the p.o. Of me handing the package to the clerk, I have done my part. After that ....what am I supposed to do. ? I have no dog in this fight, but the buyer assumes the risk, same as always

I have no dog here neither.

But a friend of mine is being called a thief and I dont like that.

If there is, who's the thief ? You're sure having the answer ?

 

[atomiktoaster]

Are you saying he only sent 75 ? When I take a pic at the p.o. Of me handing the package to the clerk, I have done my part. After that ....what am I supposed to do. ? I have no dog in this fight, but the buyer assumes the risk, same as always

ESPECIALLY with eBay, that's not the case. Everybody selling on eBay should know eBay's tendency to favor the buyer in disputes. As a seller, you're supposed to pack everything as bullet proof as possible, insist on insurance, and make sure your price covers the risks. Otherwise, just sell in person on CL or something. That said, a full refund plus keeping the chips is obviously too far toward the buyer in this case. Hopefully it can be resolved, probably to an equal amount of dissatisfaction for both parties.

 

[legend672]

No one is the thief . I'm sure they coulda split the diff and that would have been fair.

I had 3 racks disappear during shipping from France..... Not 20 chips, but the guy sent them, what was I supposed to do ? Of these chips too.....ouch

 

[mummel]

Better to deal on Craigs IMO, but it does limit your options.

 

[liftapint]

He sent the chips, it's not his fault. The other guy has no right to a refund, Of any kind basically. . He should be glad he got the 75 that he got. Shit happens during shipping, but if they were packed correctly and sent, it's on the buyer, not the seller

I wish it were possible to know this about someone before dealing with them -- SO I COULD AVOID IT. The probability of a successful shipment relies MUCH more on the shipper than on the buyer. The buyer has to provide a correct address, and be shipping to a place where the chips will be received safely. The seller has to get the address correct, but most importantly, package the chips safely for travel. THIS IS THE KEY! There is a WIDE variety of opinions on what is sufficient here. Even some veteran chippers can be pretty crappy shippers, if you ask me. If the chips aren't adequately protected for the chip-olympics at the USPS puts packages through, damage or loss can result...AND THE BUYER HAS ZERO responsibility in the packaging. Even if the chips arrive, they can be damaged during transit, and depending on the situation, can completely devalue the transaction. Remember the Wynn shipping fiasco?! Chips that used to be mint but arrive flea bitten -- you can't possibly think that's OK, right? The buyer bought mint chips.

Think of it from the buyer perspective. You buy chips, pay for them...and receive nothing (or in this case, partial shipment, with damaged chips). But the seller has no responsibility, because here is a photo of them smiling with the post man as they hand over the package to USPS? Buyer is supposed to be like, "darn, too bad I didn't get the chips I paid for"?? Seriously?

If you are a seller that feels this way, PLEASE PLEASE respond here so I can put you on the "like hell" list of potential sellers for me to deal with in the future!

 

[legend672]

Ouch

 

[liftapint]

As for this particular case, I happen to have seen photos of the package in question, in the condition that it arrived. While I do not feel like a full refund AND keeping the damaged chips that did arrive is a fair resolution, I do agree with Tim that this was a case of negligent packaging, resulting in the chips not arriving safely. If I were the buyer, I'd be willing to send all of the remaining chips back to the seller...with the seller paying for the return shipping. Perhaps with extra special care in packaging the damaged chips, so that the seller could learn what that should look like.

 

[legend672]

As for this particular case, I happen to have seen photos of the package in question, in the condition that it arrived. While I do not feel like a full refund AND keeping the damaged chips that did arrive is a fair resolution, I do agree with Tim that this was a case of negligent packaging, resulting in the chips not arriving safely. If I were the buyer, I'd be willing to send all of the remaining chips back to the seller...with the seller paying for the return shipping. Perhaps with extra special care in packaging the damaged chips, so that the seller could learn what that should look like.

I made disclaimer that if the chips were properly packaged.....this is the first mention of shoddy packaging, for which all bets are off.

 

[dennis63]

I, too, have had several transactions with Tim. I've never had any problems or issues at all. He has a good reputation in this community.

Bobb59: You have some responsibility as the seller to make sure the chips are packaged securely. You should have insured the package, or at least offered to insure it for the buyer at his expense, and explained what would happen if the package is damaged in shipment.

I am certain that if Tim says he got only 75 chips, this is the truth. He is not a thief.

You should determine the true value of the lost 20 chips, then agree on who takes the loss. Conducting the transaction on E-Bay means you, the seller, have already agreed to take the loss if the buyer does not receive all the items sold.

If you reach an accord with Tim outside of e-bay, it is a gift.

 

[rowlin]

Having his real name posted in OP is not cool.

 

[liftapint]

I made disclaimer that if the chips were properly packaged.....this is the first mention of shoddy packaging, for which all bets are off.

Thing is...that's subjective. Some sellers THINK they are excellent packagers, and sadly, their efforts are woefully insufficient.

If I buy chips, and never receive anything, I expect my money back.
If I buy chips, and they arrive damaged, I expect my money back, and I'll return the chips (at seller's expense).
Regardless of how the seller thinks they packaged the chips.

I just don't see how that should even be debatable. EXCEPT when stated up front (for example, when I ship to Europe, I tell the buyer that the risk is 100% on them).