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[Budha]

I was pretty firmly in the not cheating camp at first, but this shit is just getting bonkers. I don’t know what to think anymore

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

I was pretty firmly in the not cheating camp at first, but this shit is just getting bonkers. I don’t know what to think anymore

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It’s easy
Don’t care and move on

 

[RainmanTrail]

I’m just a casual observer that won’t jump to conclusions on accusing someone of cheating when there’s no proof

And there still isn’t


And I’m not sure most of the ‘she cheated’ realize how bad it is to accuse someone of something like that. Without hard evidence.

With Postle there was hard evidence but there was no prosecution. That is not the same situation

Here we have … ‘ I just don’t like the call. It’s suspicious ‘ that’s it

I understand your viewpoint. You want absolute proof before you're willing to let someone roast. But I don't understand your take on Mike Postle then. Because there is still no proof that he in fact cheated even to this day, right? Unless there are some developments I never encountered (I didn't follow it closely). My understanding though is that he was never charged and likely never will be. Is that not the case? Isn't the only proof that he basically just made the right plays far too often and that he often looked at his phone in his lap? Why aren't you defending him then? "lots of players look at their phones! How is this proof of anything?" and "so just because someone beats you in poker over and over and over, you just assume he has to be cheating?"

 

[RainmanTrail]

If this is what happened, it’s only a matter of time before we learn of some prior connection or association between this Bryan and Rip and/or Bryan and Robbi. I guess I expect it at this point.

Anyone care to place side bets on whether or not this is coming? I think I'm done trying to explain how this could have happened and why the likelihood of her having had information about the hand is in fact high. As Doug Polk said, "most poker players are idiots". I'm moving on to taking money from idiots now. Anyone?

 

[RainmanTrail]

Yeah so a one in a million call happens and on the same night, 15k is stolen from the person’s stack who made said call by someone who has access to the broadcast. Seems legit.

Don't forget the part where she chose not to press charges because she "asked the police if he had a prior criminal record and they told her no"...

... Escapes from prison... Warrant... Robbery...

"No ma'am, he's clean".

"OK, let's drop the charges then. I'm sure he's a good guy that's just going through some hard times right now."

 

[MatB]

Ok I’ll bite. Even though I think you already know the details.

Postles cheating could be shown by just the impossibility of his win rate.

That alone was enough to show he cheated.

This is nothing like that.

Let’s posit that she is cheating but smarter than Postle so she loses some intentionally.
No one’s shown video of her playing anything super crazy, or against the norm.

And yes. Maybe she cheated this one hand.
That would be a weird spot to do it in.
So now you have smarter cheats than Postle but dumb enough to not know when to cheat to avoid suspicion?

Still not buying it.

Most of the ‘smoking guns’ people are relying on to say she cheated, don’t do anything more than look like desperate attempts to vindicate Garret without being based in any real proof.

If they find hard evidence. ( like they did with Postle) , I’m ready to say she cheated. I’m not phased or feel like I’m playing a team sport here and NEED it to be not true.

 

[krafticus]

About not pressing charges; not everyone is about that. 15k to her might not be that big of a deal, and worth it. Some people are just good natured, and not out to “get” everyone they can. Not taking a side either way, just saying.

 

[ekricket]

This guy is an expert, he even outlines his credentials. He proves he’s an expert, yet you won’t take his word and just believe him. What’s wrong with you people?

This is sarcasm by the way. Opinions, circumstantial evidence, conjecture, all that’s fine, just don’t set yourself up as an “expert” and expect people to just roll over and say ok and quit questioning.
Just like here.

When your only evidence is your self proclaimed expertise, don’t get mad when your evidence gets scrutinized and tested - just like most of you are testing and questioning this persons expertise.

 

[Anthony Martino]

About not pressing charges; not everyone is about that. 15k to her might not be that big of a deal, and worth it. Some people are just good natured, and not out to “get” everyone they can. Not taking a side either way, just saying.

You must've missed her husbands lawsuit threats and Robbi VERY nastily saying "first of all, I don't know who the fuck you are" before accusing Deeb of hating women

I really need to find out where everyone is buying their rose-colored glasses

 

[TheBigTater]

 

[Anthony Martino]

Guy caught Robbi speaking into her mic after the hand

 

[krafticus]

You must've missed her husbands lawsuit threats and Robbi VERY nastily saying "first of all, I don't know who the fuck you are" before accusing Deeb of hating women

I really need to find out where everyone is buying their rose-colored glasses

I don’t have time to research this, as it really has no impact on me. It was a generalization. At the end of the day, I don’t care how this ends up

 

[Eloe2000]

I have no idea who this Twitter poster is (he showed up in Bryan’s feed), but this would make a lot more sense of the hand:

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Not certain what he means by “switched,” but it appears he’s claiming the card reader was malfunctioning, so that Bryan could have thought Robbi had a pair plus a better flush draw than Garrett.

And by implication gave her the call signal as a result.

I dunno, take it with another grain of salt. (At this rate we’re all going to get hypertension.)

They literally switched out the 6c card from the deck. 6c in and 6c out. No idea why they did this but it is clear on the full video. That is not in question. This person is just speculating that when they registered the new card that it was misread.

This happens at the 1:52:40 mark.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1578279838041145345

 

[RainmanTrail]

Lots of different takes and possibilities here of what exactly went down and how it might have happened.

But what will forever be my favorite take from all of this are all of the, "I've seen much worse calls than that. More times than I can count" take. I kept hearing that all day long yesterday at the WSOP circuit event. "Oh ya, tell me more?..." . It's almost the perfect litmus test for poker skill.

... Seat open, sir!

 

[RainmanTrail]

Guy caught Robbi speaking into her mic after the hand

This proves NOTHING! Just because she was checking her mic (which Bryan was on the other end of) right after the most WTF call in poker history, doesn't mean she was colluding with the [alleged] "criminal" in the production room. For fuck sake man! You guys are really grasping at straws now! What are you going to say next? That she parked in the handicap spot, thus proving her guilty!?

THIS IS JUST A STANDARD HAND! SHE HAD A GOOD READ ON GARRETT, AKA YOUR "POKER CRUSH", AND ALL YOU MISOGYNISTIC ASSHOLES JUST CAN'T GIVE A WOMAN THE CREDIT SHE DESERVES! GARRETT IS THE REAL CHEATER HERE! WHO THE HELL SHOVES WITH 8 HIGH?!!! YOUR BOYFRIEND JUST GOT OWNED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. #SOULREAD

 

[raynmanas]

 

[jr8719]

Ok, so she either made an absolutely out of this world call against his specific hand, yet impossible call against his range of hands. Yes I know she probably doesn’t think of it in those terms, but surely she does realize he just as well holds Q8+ of hearts/clubs, not to mention a number of valuebets.

Or

her, Rip and this employee are in this together. My main problem with the cheating theory has been that there are too many logical leaps and that the misread theory just seemed like the simplest explanation.

However, with this latest info we have a scenario that to me seems to fit the actions of all involved.

1. The mic signal system. Dude in the control room signals to Rip that she should call who in turn signals to Robbi. Explains the how. Also explains Doug’s observation of how she appears to be waiting for something rather than actually thinking about the decision.

2. The card reader getting the cards mixed up explains why control room guy instructs her to call. J6cc is still a bad call (to observers) but it’s not inconceivable. She still has to be dumb enough to actually call, but I guess if she trusts her partners to give her correct info and doesn’t realize in real time how ridiculous the call would look, it makes sense.

3. Her weird attempts to explain the call and the constant changing of her story makes sense. If 2 is correct she wasn’t prepared for the aftermath. Perhaps in game she didn’t have one single thought about the actual poker hand but were in fact just waiting for the signal.

4. Rip getting pissed about her returning the money right away losing him his cut while it is drawing further suspicion to the call.

5. Control room dude is also pissed about her giving the money back and steals his cut from her stack.

6. After learning about 5 she does not want to press charges out of fear of being exposed.

Finally, a rational, well-thought response in this thread.

 

[TheBigTater]

This proves NOTHING! Just because she was checking her mic (which Bryan was on the other end of) right after the most WTF call in poker history, doesn't mean she was colluding with the [alleged] "criminal" in the production room. For fuck sake man! You guys are really grasping at straws now! What are you going to say next? That she parked in the handicap spot, thus proving her guilty!?

THIS IS JUST A STANDARD HAND! SHE HAD A GOOD READ ON GARRETT, AKA YOUR "POKER CRUSH", AND ALL YOU MISOGYNISTIC ASSHOLES JUST CAN'T GIVE A WOMAN THE CREDIT SHE DESERVES! GARRETT IS THE REAL CHEATER HERE! WHO THE HELL SHOVES WITH 8 HIGH?!!! YOUR BOYFRIEND JUST GOT OWNED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. #SOULREAD

Glad to see Trav that you've finally come to your senses and the obvious conclusion that she didn't cheat.

 

[Rieguy]

Now it's getting juicy. The Reddit thread on this one has some very interesting tidbits as well, although I obviously can't vet them independently. Things such as Robbi claiming to not know this employee, yet they follow each other on Twitter, and other things of that nature. Basically a huge can of worms has opened up, and while this isn't the end-all-be-all proof of cheating, it certainly adds suspicion and could help lead to it.

What's hilarious is that Garret not had such a reaction, and simply taken the hand on the chin and moved on, this guy's theft would not have been discovered. So regardless of whether or not people think he initially overreacted (and with zero regard for the Robbi shenanigans), a huge security breach and unethical/criminal employee has been outed and removed from HCL.

At the very least, I think this completely negates the theories of this entire thing being manufactured drama for content, especially since it actively hurts HCL and their reputation.

 

[Chipandchair]

One question: if he steals $15k of chips from her stack where is he cashing it in at??

 

[RainmanTrail]

At the very least, I think this completely negates the theories of this entire thing being manufactured drama for content, especially since it actively hurts HCL and their reputation.

This was never really a theory though. Someone probably started it by making a joke, and people who think they see worse calls than this every Friday night latched onto it.

 

[RainmanTrail]

One question: if he steals $15k of chips from her stack where is he cashing it in at??

He was probably planning to ask Robbi to cash it in for him at the cage, and just offer to give her a cut.

 

[Rieguy]

This was never really a theory though. Someone probably started it by making a joke, and people who think they see worse calls than this every Friday night latched onto it.

It was mentioned and supported a few times in this thread and elsewhere in a serious manner.

All kinds of shit gets unironically thrown at the wall in these controversies. Some people even become the embodiment of the Charlie Kelly meme in trying to rationalize their takes, sometimes successfully. It's actively happening with the connection between this ex-employee and Robbi. It will be interesting to see what their internal investigation finds next, because this is absolutely not the end of it.

 

[TheDuke]

One question: if he steals $15k of chips from her stack where is he cashing it in at??

Like many crimes and criminals, it likely wasn't thought out.

There was an opportunity and an impulse. Not any rationale plan or mental roadmap on how he would succeed.

 

[MatB]

What got me thinking is the 15k in chips the guy stole.
Police won’t prosecute because Robbi won’t press charges

But….. aren’t the chips the property of Hustler Casino?
At least until you exchange them back for cash.
So wouldn’t HC be able to contend they were the victim of the crime?
Stealing chips from a player is the same as stealing from the casino
Might be a stretch. But still.

 

[MatB]

It was mentioned and supported a few times in this thread and elsewhere in a serious manner.

All kinds of shit gets unironically thrown at the wall in these controversies. Some people even become the embodiment of the Charlie Kelly meme in trying to rationalize their takes, sometimes successfully. It's actively happening with the connection between this ex-employee and Robbi. It will be interesting to see what their internal investigation finds next, because this is absolutely not the end of it.

I don’t think drunk me would have made that call in Holdem
But I’ve definitely made as bad a call in PLO

Don’t forget. Call was made on the turn. Outs baby outs !!

 

[AH77]

Guy caught Robbi speaking into her mic after the hand

Krish’s mic theory is most likely spot on. Cheating in plain sight with a device provided by the broadcast rather than having to conceal some other kind of device.

 

[Eloe2000]

What's hilarious is that Garret not had such a reaction, and simply taken the hand on the chin and moved on, this guy's theft would not have been discovered. So regardless of whether or not people think he initially overreacted (and with zero regard for the Robbi shenanigans), a huge security breach and unethical/criminal employee has been outed and removed from HCL.

FWIW he hasn’t moved on, he just isn’t posting anything else publicly because he is smart enough to realize the gravity of his accusations and the situation. And he understands he opens himself up to legal liability by continued discussion. While he has been tight lipped on posting to Twitter you can see in his activity all he is doing is reading and liking tweets every day about this situation of people supporting his position.

Separately, he did not say that he donated that money away. People are just inferring that from his tweet which clearly does not state that.

 

[upNdown]

FWIW he hasn’t moved on, he just isn’t posting anything else publicly because he is smart enough to realize the gravity of his accusations and the situation. And he understands he opens himself up to legal liability by continued discussion. While he has been tight lipped on posting to Twitter you can see in his activity all he is doing is reading and liking tweets every day about this situation of people supporting his position.

Separately, he did not say that he donated that money away. People are just inferring that from his tweet which clearly does not state that.

Yeah I mentioned it last night, but I’m convinced he had some suspicions prior to that hand.
I can’t wait until his tell-all comes out about this. Because I believe he knew or at least strongly suspected things that night, that he didn’t mention in his public tweet or since.

 

[justsomedude]

One question: if he steals $15k of chips from her stack where is he cashing it in at??

Looks like Bryan is also a player… People are posting pics of him at the tables on Twitter. If he brings it back on a different night, he might be able to explain $15k at the cage as one of his bigger scores.