I think I'm out, guys (Casino Cancun drama advice requested) (4 Viewers)

Who's chips are these?

  • The chips are yours. Keep them and move on.

    Votes: 158 82.7%

  • The chips are davin's, send them to him.

    Votes: 33 17.3%
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OK... @BGinGA pretty much summed it up well a few pages back and above on this page.

After reading everything, Two things are crystal clear to me. First, @davin should not be involved in this at all (other than interacting with the original seller). The parties involved would be the original overseas seller, the shipping companies, authorities (if needed) and the OP.

Second,we know precisely dick about the situation between @davin and the overseas seller, including but not limited to what compensation has already happened for the missing chips.

PS - Green sharpie is green sharpie doesn't prove anything other than someone wrote on some boxes, and always ship with insurance unless you love a little gambool in your life.
 
I did a little digging, and here's the original eBay listing.

Based on the seller's other offerings, it looks like he doesn't do any research on pricing/value whatsoever, and just tries to flip all of his stuff for cheap. I'm guessing he just scours USPS/customs auctions and buys in bulk, and immediately throws his scores up on eBay for quick profit. If the transactions are not legal, in that he procured these goods illegally, I'd think that would be easy for the USPS and/or Customs officials to trace, given all of his public auctions.
 
BGinGA said:
There is only one person who can definitively clear up several issues, and that is the original overseas seller who sold and shipped multiple Cancun Casino chip packages to Davin:
  • The current status of the investigation regarding the missing box conducted by the Israeli postal, US Customs, and USPS authorities
  • If the investigation is closed, what (if any) compensation was made to the seller
  • What (if any) compensation has the seller made to Davin for the missing package
Until that information becomes available -- and directly from the source, not second-hand -- any action taken now is simply premature. This is why I advised Davin to supply Tanner with the original seller's contact info, so that those questions could be answered.

Additionally, attempting to obtain additional information regarding the source and/or means that Tanner's eBay seller obtained the chips he sold to Tanner could prove useful. I believe Tanner has already asked those questions of the eBay seller and is waiting for answers.

Regardless how this turns out....

Davin's only recourse for getting compensation for his missing chips is from the original overseas seller. The various authorities conducting the investigation cannot -- and will not -- help him. It is also not Tanner's responsibility to compensate him in any way.

It is the original overseas seller's responsibility to accurately fill out shipping and customs forms, and to ask that an investigation be conducted when a shipped package goes missing or becomes 'stuck' in one location (as it appears has happened here). The conclusion and results of that investigation are critical in determining the proper actions of the authorities and the original overseas seller/shipper.

Until the investigation has been completed and results known, most of what's happening here is conjecture as to the official status of the missing shipment, along with the status of the chips purchased by Tanner on eBay. This is why I advised Tanner to contact both his eBay seller for sourcing details, and to provide the original overseas seller/shipper with any information that could be helpful in any ongoing investigation that he initiated with the postal authorities.
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Everyone can continue to say what they want but I agree with this post.

Can we all get back to chipping our do we have dead horse number 1,001 waiting in the wings!!!

I am getting back to chipping!
 
gopherblue said:
No. Shame on you. You should retract/delete your first quoted statement.

There is no—repeat NO—reason to conclude the chips were stolen. You owe @luv2breformed a public apology, since you publicly slandered (technically, libeled) him.

Stop saying the chips were stolen. If you are going to say that, then prove it. Otherwise, the only appropriate way to refer to them is “Luv2breformed’s.
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I'll apologize to Tanner for jumping to the conclusion that the chips were definately stolen. As he is a new member. I'll also back off the statement that he should have assumed they were stolen.

I was pointing out that IF the chips were found to be stolen, possession of said chips presented issues.
Again, I didn't think he intentionally purchased chips he thought were stolen goods. It looks like he actually thought he was being scammed.

After agreeing that they were likely Davin's shipment, it doesn't seem too big a stretch to ask the seller those couple questions. If the seller acquired them legally, then he certainly topped some of Navel's finds.
 
jazzV3 said:
I'll apologize to luv2breformed for jumping to the conclusion that the chips were definately stolen. As he is a new member. I'll also back off the statement that he should have assumed they were stolen.

I was pointing out that IF the chips were found to be stolen, possession of said chips presented issues.
Again, I didn't think he intentionally purchased chips he thought were stolen goods. It looks like he actually thought he was being scammed.

After agreeing that they were likely Davin's shipment, it doesn't seem too big a stretch to ask the seller those couple questions. If the seller acquired them legally, then he certainly topped some of Navel's finds.
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You have a level of clairvoyance I do not possess. I never would have assumed those chips were stolen/missing, and I've been around the chipping world for over 7 yrs now. The first I heard of any chips missing was ITT.....as well as some other questionable shit. If you're gonna make that blanket statement you may as well go ahead and back that bus back over @navels for all of his great finds, cuz I guess he should have assumed those deals were all nefarious as well
 
RowdyRawhide said:
You have a level of clairvoyance I do not possess. I never would have assumed those chips were stolen/missing, and I've been around the chipping world for over 7 yrs now. The first I heard of any chips missing was ITT.....as well as some other questionable shit. If you're gonna make that blanket statement you may as well go ahead and back that bus back over @navels for all of his great finds, cuz I guess he should have assumed those deals were all nefarious as well
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Frankly the most suspicious thing to me is that this eBay listing slipped by @navels dragnet. A rare miss.
 
(what a read...every page straight through)

There is so much more than, "I have some chips, I am missing some chips, those look like my chips, those must be my chips."

My vote is to keep them for sure.
 
What I think is lost a little in this entire thread is at how excited the OP was in scoring this great deal. It had nothing to do with him scoring it so he could turn and flip it for thousands off the "community," it had to do with a dream score for him for a set that he is going to be able to use that he could not otherwise have afforded to purchase. Good for him, and I hope he keeps the whole thing and enjoys the chips hitting the felt.
 
DMack said:
What I think is lost a little in this entire thread is at how excited the OP was in scoring this great deal. It had nothing to do with him scoring it so he could turn and flip it for thousands off the "community," it had to do with a dream score for him for a set that he is going to be able to use that he could not otherwise have afforded to purchase. Good for him, and I hope he keeps the whole thing and enjoys the chips hitting the felt.
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I think another thing that is lost is that the OP felt he had to “hide” his find for fear that someone else would swoop in and grab any other chips that might be there, even though he stated he was asking about more.
 
WOOOH! I made it to the end guys! I feel so accomplished for a Sunday!

While @arch3r 's post sums it up the best for me (after reading every word of every post), I'm still sorry this situation occurred for both parties.

arch3r said:
From what I understand...

@davin contracted to buy a bunch of chips.
1 box of those chips went missing.
There was no insurance on the shipped boxes.
Davin received most of his purchase, sold off a good portion of them ( at what I can only assume a nice profit ).

unrelated...
@luv2breformed found an amazing deal on chips and acted on it.
Posted pictures of his chip boxes appear to be the same as the Davin's missing chipment®. (Yup, I called it a chipment® )

That is all we really know.

My opinion:
Since Davin failed to protect his investment ( yes this was a business investment ) with insurance, it should not fall on Luv or any other member here to make him whole. That's on him. Especially since there is no way to be sure the chips in question are Davin's missing chips. Signs point to they probably are, but nothing 100% certain like a serial number or lot number, just a green sharpie "5". And I assume that Davin is not out of pocket any money, it's just that he did not make as much as he could have if he had received his entire shipment. Loss is part of doing business. That is why insurance exists.

And assuming for a second that the chips are Davin's missing chips, unless someone can prove Luv's seller illegally acquired the chips, I'm going to assume that he got them through legit means (custom's auction) and didn't know what he actually had and made a really shitty deal selling them for so little. It's not the first time someone here has found great chips well under market value because the seller didn't know what they had and it won't be the last. I'm pretty sure we all hope to find a score like that someday. When Luv purchased the chips, it was with a clear conscience.

@davin, protect your investments and get the insurance.

@luv2breformed - Great score - enjoy YOUR chips.
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As someone who is not overly religious, I have no credible opinion on the subject of God... but maybe this is God’s divine wisdom, putting these chips into deserving hands. Call it divinity, karma, fate, whatever.

The more I read this thread, the more I’m hoping that Luv will hear back from the seller, who will explain these were procured through some legitimate postal or customs auction (which seems very plausible), and he’ll be able to keep them all in good conscience. But if it turns out there was actually some weird theft or chip heist, and Luv inadvertently purchased chips from some cronie in a criminal enterprise, then I’ll be content if the chips get back to their rightful over (whether that’s Davin or whomever sold them to him). But again, that’s my opinion and my opinion doesn’t matter all that much.

Interesting read.
 
David O said:
I am tired of the bashing that everyone does when these types of threads come out.
David
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A few things we know to be true. We have become more factionalized and tribal in our personal, political, and religious lives and allow it to spill over into our social media lives.

I think these threads offer a reminder that we are all fallible and can sometimes let our human nature (greed) get in our way.

In the end, I agree with others that think several mistakes have been made and much information has been less than transparent.

I've read countless threads whereas members have shared their "score of a lifetime". Is there now an expectation that buyers investigate sellers? I dont think so.

Hopefully the community can learn something.
 
Meddler2 said:
A few things we know to be true. We have become more factionalized and tribal in our personal, political, and religious lives and allow it to spill over into our social media lives.

I think these threads offer a reminder that we are all fallible and can sometimes let our human nature (greed) get in our way.

In the end, I agree with others that think several mistakes have been made and much information has been less than transparent.

I've read countless threads whereas members have shared their "score of a lifetime". Is there now an expectation that buyers investigate sellers? I dont think so.

Hopefully the community can learn something.
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Yes "we" have but "we" do not have to be fractionalized. It is okay for your "friends" to disagree. Not sure when, but society has made it where if you disagree then friendships are lost.

Here are a couple of scripture on greed! We can all learn from - Luke 12:15 and Mark 8:36

Hope everyone has a great night and are looking forward to Thanksgiving. This is a time we can all be thankful for what and who we have in our lives!

David
 
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David O said:
Yes "we" have but "we" do not have to be fractionalized. It is okay for your "friends" to disagree. Not sure when, but society has made it where if you disagree then friendships are lost.

Here are a couple of scripture on greed! We can all learn from - Luke 12:15 and Mark 8:36

Hope everyone has a great night and are looking forward to Thanksgiving. This is a time we can all be thankful for what and who we have in out lives!

David
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Hear, hear!
 
Meddler2 said:
A few things we know to be true. We have become more factionalized and tribal in our personal, political, and religious lives...
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I think as a whole the world is less divided and tribal than historically we have been. I know the media paints a picture of constant drama and conflict but most actual people are reasonable.

Tribalism is hardwired into people to some degree IMO but we have come a long way.
 
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