In This Together (4 Viewers)

[horseshoez]

Any proof of the gambling losses? That's a pretty easy-out for a confirmed liar, and not a valid reason to not make good on stolen money.

No such proof has been provided. Could be possible that it happened at an illegal establishment and it's not possible to furnish such proof. Not sure.

 

[cgpilot]

Any proof of the gambling losses? That's a pretty easy-out for a confirmed liar, and not a valid reason to not make good on stolen money.

@horseshoez moving forward, I would not continue to publicize or offer re-shipping services to anyone that comes along as that is a golden opportunity for a scammer. My suggestion would be to stick to the people in your circle now and only let new members in if someone in your current circle can vouch for them.

Based on the recent changes Poppin made to his account settings/options (for ex: preventing members from starting a PM with him) prior to getting himself banned, I'd take an educated guess and say he had a plan all long to scam members. I hope I'm wrong and everyone gets what they paid for.

I think there is little doubt in the overall community that he has any intention on making anything right on stolen money.

 

[BirdCage]

As this is turning into a pseudo-sanctioned PCF collection pool, I’d like @Tommy to bless it at a minimum. I’d feel much more comfortable if @Tommy collected the funds. Just don’t want to double down on any potential fraud.

Also agree with @BGinGA that it’s a bit early. Let’s get to a bottom line first.

Thanks to @horseshoez and others for organizing. I would like to contribute.

 

[Pinkdan]

@horseshoez I gotta say I really appreciate you spearheading this whole thing. As one of the unlucky people who got taken for quite a large sum of money I want to send my deep appreciation and gratitude to the PCF members stepping up and helping out. This whole thing has been quite tragic, and for you all to jump in and help out with this teamwork is keeping the heart of PCF alive and strong.

 

[Cwaters425]

especially when he is refusing to open up any inquiry on any missing package, and also stopped communicating with everyone about their packages

 

[horseshoez]

These are all new pieces of information that I hadn't heard before. Did I miss them in the other thread, or is this the first time they're being published?

This was all being discussed in private with all those who were affected. It was not mentioned publicly until now.

 

[JMC9389]

especially when he is refusing to open up any inquiry on any missing package, and also stopped communicating with everyone about their packages

I understand the skepticism. I do. If the chips and other goods were truly sent out, the seller under normal circumstances would make any effort to locate packages whose tracking has gone cold for any extended period of time. It seems no efforts have been made on the seller's end, claiming that it is no longer his responsibility once the goods were dropped at the post office. Whether it's nefarious or not, lots of people are out lots of money and by the look of it, are unlikely to ever be made whole in either sense either in the form of getting the goods they paid for or getting refunded their money.

I see no use in waiting further to help out. Some of the transactions go back 6 weeks.

 

[horseshoez]

As this is turning into a pseudo-sanctioned PCF collection pool, I’d like @Tommy to bless it at a minimum. I’d feel much more comfortable if @Tommy collected the funds. Just don’t want to double down on any potential fraud.

Also agree with @BGinGA that it’s a bit early. Let’s get to a bottom line first.

Thanks to @horseshoez and others for organizing. I would like to contribute.

I have communicated with @Tommy privately regarding this fundraising effort and I will let him speak for himself.

I would also feel much more comfortable if someone else collected the funds. Any volunteers?

 

[Pinkdan]

I have communicated with @Tommy privately regarding this fundraising effort and I will let him speak for himself.

I would also feel much more comfortable if someone else collected the funds. Any volunteers?

A new user @poopin69 has volunteered to collect the funds, sounds like a solid pick

 

[upNdown]

This was all being discussed in private with all those who were affected. It was not mentioned publicly until now.

My point is, if this community is going to gather up and disburse $20,000, there's got to be total transparency, and it doesn't seem like we're even close to that.
I'm gonna try to shut up for a while now.

 

[Rieguy]

My point is, if this community is going to gather up and disburse $20,000, there's got to be total transparency, and it doesn't seem like we're even close to that.
I'm gonna try to shut up for a while now.

Added scrutiny may be annoying to some people, but it's always worth exploring in such instances of massive theft/fraud/scumbaggery. After all, I believe there was mention of him being part of the hacking of accounts that took place?

The efforts by Zaki are extremely appreciated either way. Thanks.

 

[TheDuke]

This is a tremendous cause and shows the community aspect of the forum.

But what of the legal recourse that should be taking place?

$20k must cross some international thresholds for fraud? Won't people be entitled to restitution via legal means? Shouldn't that avenue be pursued?

It sounds like there's proof of payment, documentation of admission of guilt, and the perp's location/address is known. He must have assets that can be liquidated. Legal recourse will take a long time, but should be the course of action if possible.

Feels like this dickbag is getting off the hook otherwise.

 

[JMC9389]

Added scrutiny may be annoying to some people, but it's always worth exploring in such instances of massive theft/fraud/scumbaggery. After all, I believe there was mention of him being part of the hacking of accounts that took place?

The efforts by Zaki are extremely appreciated either way. Thanks.

This I did not see mentioned.

 

[Senzrock]

Ot

Payments that were made to the guy who was famous for taking payments then refunding payments multiple times?
Listen, I'm not accusing you or anybody of anything, but I'm a skeptical guy, and this just seems all rushed to me - just gathering up $20K, and passing it out. If I'm the only skeptic, I'll shut up now

Not helpful right now. Thank you for your concern though!

 

[dennis63]

I am sick over this situation, and I'm fortunate to have dodged a bullet with Poppin.

If he intentionally scammed almost $20,000 from members here by "selling" chips he never had, that's criminal. People who were defrauded should make a report to the police and make his name part of the public record, even if he can't be prosecuted. The cost of a civil action would be prohibitive.

I'd love to see those who lost money here get their money back -- from the scammer or insurance. Just not sure I'm jazzed about this community handling a scammer with kid gloves and essentially covering his thefts.

Better idea: Poppin sells his car, or his house, or takes a loan, and sends full restitution to the members he scammed.

 

[Senzrock]

nvm

 

[cgpilot]

Won't people be entitled to restitution via legal means? Shouldn't that avenue be pursued?

1.) What are the chances even with legal means that everyone will be reimbursed.

2.) Pursuing someone internationally sounds complicated, time and energy consuming.

3.) @horseshoez is at least helping the community by doing something other than offering suggestions.

 

[RivieraDanny]

Wire fraud. Mail fraud. Anything over 10k will be acted on. People with gambling problems go to jail every day. He should be jailed. He should also be wary if I book a plane ticket, I learned collecting from Vegas old schoolers. Little prick.
Thanks Zaki. Keep em posted.
Thank god my end was only $500+\-

 

[RudysNYC]

Wire fraud. Mail fraud. Anything over 10k will be acted on.

Unfortunately that only applies stateside

How many Nigerian scammers end up in prison due to American authorities?

luckily his name and info are known to at least some.

 

[horseshoez]

1.) What are the chances even with legal means that everyone will be reimbursed.

2.) Pursuing someone internationally sounds complicated, time and energy consuming.

Was going to type this, but you took the words from my mouth.

 

[RivieraDanny]

Well he’s not in Nigeria. He’s in the Netherlands. A bit more first world there. And the authorities don’t take crap there. If my loss was over the threshold I would follow up.

 

[Perthmike]

10% of funds could be used to send a couple of large and aggressive Dutch kickboxers round to his house, if he hasn't lost that as well.

 

[Lemonzest]

Well he’s not in Nigeria. He’s in the Netherlands. A bit more first world there. And the authorities don’t take crap there. If my loss was over the threshold I would follow up.

You can find him on Linkedin including his place of work. I would track him down and hold his feet to the fire.

 

[TheDuke]

2.) Pursuing someone internationally sounds complicated, time and energy consuming.

Sometimes doing the correct thing is difficult. It should still be pursued nonetheless.

 

[Marius L]

Seems way too easy for this guy to just be off the hook....

Does he have any chips left? They obv need to be sold. Does he have a job? Then have him do some sort of down payments. Does he have any other valuables - car, watch, camera, whatever, have him sell some stuff, and find a way to at least pay back some of the money. Pcf has his full name, address, there's members from the Netherlands on here. Go to the police?

I really appreciate what you do @horseshoez, and anyone donating to the cause, but I agree with some others that it is too early and it would be way to easy for him if he can simply forget about it and move on with his life..

And I'm really sorry to everyone involved in this..

 

[cgpilot]

Sometimes doing the correct thing is difficult. It should still be pursued nonetheless.

I only hope he is held fully accountable for his actions. Maybe someone is quietly doing this behind the scenes - I truly hope so. I completely agree that something should be done.

However, I feel like a bunch of people agreeing something should be done is still far from positive action. That is why I appreciate @horseshoez actions and why I donated.

 

[horseshoez]

Does he have any chips left?

I received pictures of chips remaining on his end. These are the chips I am referring to when speaking of a consolidated shipment that is supposedly coming my way for distribution.

Chips that have been sold/claimed

Chips to sell for fundraising

Keep in mind, some from the second batch may or may not have already been claimed as well as part of individual transactions. Obviously, if this arrives, there are options to be studied. Sell off that batch and put the money into the account? Give people some of what they were promised in chips? That's all up to those affected. Lots of things to consider.

 

[THRA5H3R]

I don't have much in my collection, but I'll try to find something to auction for the fund.

 

[Marius L]

Good to know. And where did all the chips be actually owned end up? Hopefully some of the shipments that are currently in the mail will end up arriving and make the total amount needed to collect smaller? I asume he must have shipped of some of his other chips. Or are all of them already confirmed recieved by other members?

 

[davislane]

"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." -Theodore Roosevelt

In time, with the benefit of hindsight the right and wrong thing will be easily identified but at least something and not nothing is being done to TRY to resolve this shitty situation sooner rather than later.

Totally understand and appreciate everyones viewpoints. Remember all options are available to resolve this regardless of how @horseshoez has chosen to assist. If you dont agree with what he is doing feel free to explore the other options also.

I for one would happily donate to the options put forward by @Perthmike and @RivieraDanny but also support what Zaki is doing.

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted". Where is a member of the Assassins Order when you need one?