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Playing 1-2 live, five handed. It is the end of the session. This is the next to last hand of the night. The table is getting weary, both is a physical sense and mental.

Cast of characters:

Hero is in the big blind the button with $260. Things haven't gone Hero's way tonight. The cards have been poor and Hero's luck failed him the times he needed it most. Hero hasn't been raising preflop much at all. This might not be worth anything in terms of respect.

Crazy Jr is UTG with $400. He has seen lots of action, been quite lucky several times, yet is still down for the night. Hyper loose, often over aggressive but weary. A classic LAGtard.

In the MP is the big winner for the session, playing $1,200. As his stack gets bigger, he gets looser and a weird mix of tricky/trappy - station - aggressive, becoming hard to read. He was the guy calling down Hero's bluff last thread.

The button is playing $300. He is a tricky / trappy calling station.

The hand:

Crazy Jr limps. MP raises to $7. Button calls. SB folds. Action on Hero who is holding :qh: :js: Fold, call or raise? If raising, how much? Don't expect to get folds from a 3-bet, this is the next to last hand. The only guy who might have folded is already out of the hand.

Last QJ thread -=- DrStrange
 
Hero's results are mimicking mine with QJ. A good hand to lose money with.
 
*** Time for a flop ***

Hero calls as does Crazy Jr. Four way action, $29 in the pot. Hero holds :qh: :js:

Flop is: :ks: :5h: :tc:

Action on Hero, bet or check, if betting how much?

Note: the original raisers isn't a sure bet to C-bet even though this is a reasonable flop to fire a c-bet.
 
As above, I'm checking this and calling a bet. I'd have thrown that hand away from the start based on the other threads and if I look down at QJ tonight it's going in the bin!
 
*** The turn ***

Hero doesn't take anyone's advice. Hero bets $25, MP calls while everyone else folds. Heads up, $79 in the pot. Hero holds :qh: :js:

The turn is: < :ks: :5h: :tc: > :9h:

Action on Hero, bet or check? If betting how much?

DrStrange
 
Note: I'm Я fish.

But this is what would be going through my mind. Hopefully, this'll help my game, too.

Villain raises pre-flop then flats the flop. I'm putting him on a draw. Knowing our luck likely a flush draw and gutshot. I have him on AJ

I'm probably still betting into the pot and waiting for the re-raise. c.60 bucks! :eek:
 
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I would have liked a :9d: A lot more. Fold... I will get him next hand.


I really should look twice before hitting send... I would have checked.
 
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Does hero ever overbet pots, esp as bluffs? Crazy Jr like most of the other regs probably isn't too attuned to bet size. Make it $100.

If overbet is rare for hero bet $65.
 
Given this game I'm betting out here. You are very likely to get a call and may get lucky and get raised. I think checking invites them to check behind.
 
Given this game I'm betting out here. You are very likely to get a call and may get lucky and get raised. I think checking invites them to check behind.

yep, my other reason for betting. Thanks for the assist :)
 
Does hero ever overbet pots, esp as bluffs? Crazy Jr like most of the other regs probably isn't too attuned to bet size. Make it $100.

If overbet is rare for hero bet $65.

Crazy Jr isn't the villain here, it's the unpredictable big stack. Given the late night and the big difference in stack sizes, I'm not checking. If MP seems pretty tired and likely to try his luck, just jam right now. Otherwise, $50 now, which sets you up for just over $100 behind to jam any non-heart river. A heart river is going to make things very tough, which makes me not worry too much about pushing villain out too soon.
 
Crazy Jr isn't the villain here, it's the unpredictable big stack. Given the late night and the big difference in stack sizes, I'm not checking. If MP seems pretty tired and likely to try his luck, just jam right now. Otherwise, $50 now, which sets you up for just over $100 behind to jam any non-heart river. A heart river is going to make things very tough, which makes me not worry too much about pushing villain out too soon.

Oops, wrong villain, sorry.

It seems hero has about $230 effective on turn? We need to bet of course but figure out how to get stacks in on river. I'd fear the board pairing more than a river heart but not sure hero can fold. Villain is calling turn with a wide range if he's in, thanks to Broadway cards (2 pair, set, Broadway gutshot etc).
 
Oops, wrong villain, sorry.

It seems hero has about $230 effective on turn? We need to bet of course but figure out how to get stacks in on river. I'd fear the board pairing more than a river heart but not sure hero can fold. Villain is calling turn with a wide range if he's in, thanks to Broadway cards (2 pair, set, Broadway gutshot etc).

What hands scare you off a paired board? If villain flops a set, why just call the $25? Kxh seems very plausible with all of villain's play so far.
 
^^villain is described as tricky/trappy so it's just as likely he slow plays 2 pair or a set to protect his stack as it is he backed into a heart draw. I'm not saying hero is scared but will be oop on river so needs to have a plan.
 
*** Hero don't need no stinking river plan ***

Hero bets $50 (which seems too small maybe) Villain raises to $100 flat.

I'm not going to ask the forum about calling vs shoving since I hit the road in minutes. Hero jams for $128 more.

Villain actually thinks about it before calling, then decides out loud that Hero has Kx of hearts.

Villain tables :td: :9d: Hero has to dodge four outs . . . .

The river is the :7h:

Woo Hoo! Hero scoops the pot and escapes the session with a meager win.

DrStrange
 
*** Hero don't need no stinking river plan ***

Hero bets $50 (which seems too small maybe) Villain raises to $100 flat.

I'm not going to ask the forum about calling vs shoving since I hit the road in minutes. Hero jams for $128 more.

Villain actually thinks about it before calling, then decides out loud that Hero has Kx of hearts.

Villain tables :td: :9d: Hero has to dodge four outs . . . .

The river is the :7h:

Woo Hoo! Hero scoops the pot and escapes the session with a meager win.

DrStrange
Nice! Just curious, what was your profit/(loss) in playing QJ that session?
 
*** Hero don't need no stinking river plan ***

Hero bets $50 (which seems too small maybe) Villain raises to $100 flat.

I'm not going to ask the forum about calling vs shoving since I hit the road in minutes. Hero jams for $128 more.

Villain actually thinks about it before calling, then decides out loud that Hero has Kx of hearts.

Villain tables :td: :9d: Hero has to dodge four outs . . . .

The river is the :7h:

Woo Hoo! Hero scoops the pot and escapes the session with a meager win.

DrStrange

Deal
 
I guess Hero is up less than $50 on the night playing QJ. However, Hero's EV on the bets made when holding QJ is much higher. Hero was a big favorite on the first hand posted where the villain makes his river straight.

QJ is a speculative hand. It should result in many small to medium losses and a few nice wins plus the occasional "oh shit" moments.

In no case should we expect QJ to be 5% to 10% of the total number of hands dealt to you in a session -=- DrStrange
 
Wondering what the villains thought process was when calling off that last $128? Are there any hands you have that he is ahead of in that spot? AKhh maybe, but if I'm him I have to think that bottom two pair is very rarely good there.
 

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