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removing Paulson inlays (2 Viewers)

softchewy said:
Casino de Isthmus City '98 shaped inlay
PCA .50
PCA $1 sec
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Empress $5 pri
WTHC $1k
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5/6 (y) :thumbsup:

One thing I notice about the textured inlays is that the texture on the inlay always aligns precisely with the texture on the chip. That would mean that the texture on those chips was created after the inlay was already in place... probably by stamping the chip and the inlay together? Might also be the reason they are hard to remove...
 
how about now?
Casino de Isthmus City '98 shaped inlay
PCA .50
PCA $1 sec
Horseshoe club LV, $1
Empress $5 pri
WTHC $1k
 
superchromix said:
5/6 (y) :thumbsup:

One thing I notice about the textured inlays is that the texture on the inlay always aligns precisely with the texture on the chip. That would mean that the texture on those chips was created after the inlay was already in place... probably by stamping the chip and the inlay together? Might also be the reason they are hard to remove...
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Yes, that is essentially the definition of an inlay vs label/sticker, Paulson, CPC, BCC, TRK compress the inlay into the clay using heat/pressure during creation of the chip with compression molding, so any texture in that molds surface area will of course be stamped into on both inlay and chip material evenly.. if it wasn't, then it would be an applied label/sticker on top of the finished chip, as with China injection Clays, ceramic hybrids, plastic and slugged chips with labels, and chips milled/ relabeled .
 
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Blaster said:
Yes, that is essentially the definition of an inlay vs label/sticker, Paulson, CPC, BCC, TRK compress the inlay into the clay using heat/pressure during creation of the chip with compression molding, so any texture in that molds surface area will of course be stamped into on both inlay and chip material evenly.. if it wasn't, then it would be an applied label/sticker on top of the finished chip, as with China injection. Clays, ceramic hybrids, plastic and slugged chips with labels, and chips milled/ relabeled .
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Looking at the modern inlays that Bentax posted, has the manufacturing process changed now? Those inlays have no texture, and seem to be, essentially, labels.
 
superchromix said:
Looking at the modern inlays that Bentax posted, has the manufacturing process changed now? Those inlays have no texture, and seem to be, essentially, labels.
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I think the only difference is that there's no texture on the inner circle of the press (such that the inlay doesn't get the texture when pressed). Otherwise it's the same process and the inlays are 100% pressed inlays and no like labels at all.


As you can see below, it's not just the inlay that is smooth, but the entire recess area pressed into the chip. Only the outer ring has the texture when an inlay is pressed like this.

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superchromix said:
Looking at the modern inlays that Bentax posted, has the manufacturing process changed now? Those inlays have no texture, and seem to be, essentially, labels.
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Depend on the mold, as @BGinGA mentioned earlier....
The are still molded into the clay and are inlays, If the inlay area of the mold is smooth/ has no texture , then the inlay will be smooth after the chip is molded .. I think the CPC Fleur de lis mold creates smoorh inlays, where say the HorseHR & B mold made the same way come out textured.
 
Good luck with the project, and I know @Gear does some amazing work! It gives me the creeps thinking about doing anything besides sticking a label on chips. Prying the existing labels off, drilling the chip,etc. sounds gruesome to me.

Just like I like a good hamburger, with no desire to butcher the cow.
 
The older THC chips had a transparent coating/film across the entire face of the chip which was pressed with the cross-hatching. That's partly why those inlays are so difficult to remove. You have to cut through that film with an exacto knife. Then, once that's cut through, you have to remove the inlay itself, which is also more difficult than modern THC chips with the smooth glossy inlays. They probably used a different adhesive in the old process.

For some fun reading, here's a link to how ASM used to make chips on the E&C mold

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/mfgchip.htm

mfgchip.jpg
 
Blaster said:
Depend on the mold, as @BGinGA mentioned earlier....
The are still molded into the clay and are inlays, If the inlay area of the mold is smooth/ has no texture , then the inlay will be smooth after the chip is molded .. I think the CPC Fleur de lis mold creates smoorh inlays, where say the HorseHR & B mold made the same way come out textured.
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Well spotted! Here's a detail image from a HHR chip, and as you say the texture extends onto the inlay. Second image is from a DIASQR, and the same is true but to a lesser extent.

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(again, bonus points for naming the chip ;))
 
bentax1978 said:
As I recall there actually is a top layer on those. I also recall inlay removal on those inlays to be extremely tough compared to others.
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You're absolutely right! I've had a broken SDPM soldier that I decided to experiment on with a razor blade. Definitely a laminate top layer after all, although it looks to be much thinner than some THC inlay laminate tops...

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We're going to need a whole new nomenclature for these differen inlay types! :p

PS: This is a very informative thread, and I love it!!
 
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Blaster said:
Depend on the mold, as @BGinGA mentioned earlier....
The are still molded into the clay and are inlays, If the inlay area of the mold is smooth/ has no texture , then the inlay will be smooth after the chip is molded .. I think the CPC Fleur de lis mold creates smoorh inlays, where say the HorseHR & B mold made the same way come out textured.
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The inlay area of the scroll mold is smooth and the inlay is textured. Maybe the inlay smooths the recess during the pressing ?
 
Jagamov said:
Sorry for the slight derail....so do newer Paulson chips have a different inlay process?

One of my Horseshoe Cincinnati chips had a damaged plastic cap (part of the edge had started to lift) so for curiosity, I peeled it off. The label underneath was a vinyl type label that peeled off pretty easily.

Just curious since the older inlays didn't seem to have this cap and were impossible to remove without damage.
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In this light, do you think it would be justified to call them "permanent inlays"
 
Actually I think CPC (formerly ASM) uses a high pressure, high temperature press process. I could be wrong but seems like there was an interview on CT years ago whereas the former owner Jim B. described it that way...makes the chips harder and more detailed than Paulson which uses lower pressure and temperature.

It's a fascinating read:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/threa...ic-standard-molding-pokerchips-com-asm.47136/
 

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