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pltrgyst

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There are sure a lot of remorseful people who can't stick to a decision to sell these days.

I think I'm going to become a remorseful buyer, and reserve the right to cancel my offers or to not pay up at any time.

IMO, PCF is rapidly becoming a lousy place to buy chips. Some of you guys are making eBay fees look well worthwhile.
 
pltrgyst said:
There are sure a lot of remorseful people who can't stick to a decision to sell these days.

I think I'm going to become a remorseful buyer, and reserve the right to cancel my offers or to not pay up at any time.

IMO, PCF is rapidly becoming a lousy place to buy chips. Some of you guys are making eBay fees look well worthwhile.
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What happened?

I can kind of understand second thoughts...but agree, if its second thoughts because they didn't get the money they were hoping, or found a better offer, then thats pretty weak.
 
... I added that phrase myself, after seeing someone else do it earlier this week,.. Didn't realize anyone wouldn't want a seller to add it...
I guess it's kind of meaningless, & understood that a seller does not have to accept a crazy, lowball or for that matter any price offer, in a for sale, non auction thread,
So you convinced me to edit & remove it from my posts ... can't speak for others though ... :D
 
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ssanel54 said:
What happened?

I can kind of understand second thoughts...but agree, if its second thoughts because they didn't get the money they were hoping, or found a better offer, then thats pretty weak.
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but BTW, I think there are plenty of "remorseful buyers" out there as well, that cancel transactions for one reason or another
 
pltrgyst said:
There are sure a lot of remorseful people who can't stick to a decision to sell these days.

I think I'm going to become a remorseful buyer, and reserve the right to cancel my offers or to not pay up at any time.

IMO, PCF is rapidly becoming a lousy place to buy chips. Some of you guys are making eBay fees look well worthwhile.
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I AGREE!! I'm a man of my word. If I tell you I'm going to sell (or buy) then IT'S A DONE DEAL on my part. I may or may not regret the deal I made, but that's my problem, not the other parties. All I can take to grave is my moral compass and integrity (the govt gets the rest); thus, I guard both VERY closely.

I recently negotiated a trade, then low and behold...the other party backed out because of "buyers remorse." Sad part was that HE was the one that was actively seeking the chips I have, and HE offered up the chips he had to trade. Needless to say, we won't be doing business again.
 
Seeking Alpha Social Club said:
I AGREE!! I'm a man of my word. If I tell you I'm going to sell (or buy) then IT'S A DONE DEAL on my part. I may or may not regret the deal I made, but that's my problem, not the other parties. All I can take to grave is my moral compass and integrity (the govt gets the rest); thus, I guard both VERY closely.

I recently negotiated a trade, then low and behold...the other party backed out because of "buyers remorse." Sad part was that HE was the one that was actively seeking the chips I have, and HE offered up the chips he had to trade. Needless to say, we won't be doing business again.
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Same here buddy. If I make an offer and its accepted, I will pay immediately. I don't care if I have to sell my kids (which I don't have). I'm going to get those chippies!
 
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I would say implementing the following two guidelines would help get things back on track. Thoughts?
  1. No auction type ads. The ONLY exception is for charity and you must get approval prior to posting it.
  2. All "For Sale" ads must have an asking price posted. OBO can always be added.
 
I think a clearer explanation of what has transpired lately would be nice. I can't recall any of these type of ads P. Is referring to.
 
Just my 2 cents, but I don't have a problem with auctions, I actually prefer them sometimes because the "good" for sale items always seem to get grabbed quickly, and I often find myself thinking, "wow, I would have paid way more for those."

The issue I have is with people backing out of deals after they committed to buy or sell (which could happen in a sale or auction). I'm not sure how you would rectify that other that creating an "Angie's" list of reputable sellers/buyers. But that would be a maintenance nightmare I'm sure.
 
Tommy said:
I would say implementing the following two guidelines would help get things back on track. Thoughts?
  1. No auction type ads. The ONLY exception is for charity and you must get approval prior to posting it.
  2. All "For Sale" ads must have an asking price posted. OBO can always be added.
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Why?
Has there really, been a actual problem here, with sellers on this forum backing out of accepted offers, or not??
Or are people now just venting theoretical scenarios, & scaring other forum members?
Reading this thread, it would seem to be an out of control problem, one that that has never been mentioned before...
As a buyer, I have no problem with someone posting " Make me an offer for my 50 PNY $100's I'll accept what I feel is a reasonable offer" , & I have no problem if my offer is not accepted., life goes on .....
Why should that post now be banned??
HIQ in post 15 thinks "something has happened" because of this thread .. ... geez

Let's get back to reality, & allow buyers & sellers here to enjoy moving their chips, .. nothing has "happened" ... ....
 
Blaster said:
Why?
Has there really, been a actual problem here, with sellers on this forum backing out of accepted offers, or not??
Or are people now just venting theoretical scenarios, & scaring other forum members?
Reading this thread, it would seem to be an out of control problem, one that that has never been mentioned before...
As a buyer, I have no problem with someone posting " Make me an offer for my 50 PNY $100's I'll accept what I feel is a reasonable offer" , & I have no problem if my offer is not accepted., life goes on .....
Why should that post now be banned??
HIQ in post 15 thinks "something has happened" because of this thread .. ... geez

Let's get back to reality, & allow buyers & sellers here to enjoy moving their chips, .. nothing has "happened" ... ....
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Mine was real; however, I'm not looking for changes; I'm just making a list of people I won't deal with in the future.
 
The classifieds has been a bit of a clusterf*ck for a while IMO.

Other issues notwithstanding, I never thought that a nominal fee to post a classified ad at "the other place" was a bad thing. That couple of bucks per ad saved a lot of the issues we're currently seeing.
 
I think either way you go someone will be pissed. I know there are times I have seen some chips that I really needed (Wanted) and would have paid more or I totally missed them. I personally do not have a problem with a best offer type of scenario. I think the "sealed" bid works in business and could work here. I also like it when the price is posted and includes "a best offer". Both types of sales have their good side and bad side. If I personally do not like the way a sale is posted I usually choose not to participate and generally speak with the seller in a PM without airing to the whole forum. We all can learn to agree to disagree. I just think that in all scenarios there are going to be some disappointed people either way.
 
9 years chipping... 1 seller took money and didn't send chips (basically stole $100) and 1 buyer committed to buy and I turned away other buyers and buyer didn't send money for several days then finally fessed up he found another set he wanted more and reniged.

The risk of doing business on the interwebs.
 
Blaster said:
Why?
Has there really, been a actual problem here, with sellers on this forum backing out of accepted offers, or not??
Or are people now just venting theoretical scenarios, & scaring other forum members?
Reading this thread, it would seem to be an out of control problem, one that that has never been mentioned before...
As a buyer, I have no problem with someone posting " Make me an offer for my 50 PNY $100's I'll accept what I feel is a reasonable offer" , & I have no problem if my offer is not accepted., life goes on .....
Why should that post now be banned??
HIQ in post 15 thinks "something has happened" because of this thread .. ... geez

Let's get back to reality, & allow buyers & sellers here to enjoy moving their chips, .. nothing has "happened" ... ....
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No one has left reality. :cool: We're all still here. ;)

Regarding the auction type listings, we had discussions about it months ago. Having 3 pages of 1 penny increments is ridicules. IIRC, there was even a bid or two going backwards. I proposed having guidelines (for increments and such) to curb the post padding and other issues with that type of ad. Surprisingly, some were opposed to that. The discussion got put on the back burner because of the holidays and other commitments. So now is a good time to bring it back up.

Regarding a regular type 'For Sale' listing (which I think you are only referring to), since Aug 2013, it has always been recommended that a 'For Sale' ad have a price, photos, condition, shipping and payment info posted. Make offer via post or PM was acceptable too.

IF there is a trend of bad deals/etiquette occurring, then some guidelines will be changed. The goal is to keep a safe and fair trading environment for all. The member's feedback is important and I take it all into consideration. At the end of the day though (not literally), I'll make the final decision based on what I think is best for the site.
 
Tommy.... this is your sandbox.... Do whatever you want my friend. For those that constantly voice an opinion good or bad at the end of the day its your house. We just like knocking and you always letting us in.

Carry on <> ;)
 
I think the Mapes auction was a good example of how it can be done well (**although not ideal). It was open to public bidding, had a specific and reasonable duration/end time, and generated a lot of enthusiasm in the community. I know I was watching! Members got chips, seller is happy, and PCF facilitates the process. Win, win, win. Not hosting an auction like the Mapes due to more rules would decrease the impact (and value) of PCF. If there were general suggestions (i.e., not rules) to give members a few days or a week to make offers on chips, to pick a set end time, and give guidance on closing bids**, a lot of the stuff goes away (e.g., "PCF Auction Guidelines apply"). Flaky sellers and buyers will not disappear by implementing more rules and restrictions. The reality is that nothing is final until the $$$ changes hands, and PCF isn't going to change that. My $0.02

**I think that the Mapes auction would have been ideal with some simple guidance on closing bids. If the auction ended once there were no news bids after 5 or 10 mins from the last bid at the end time, then the Saudi internet would not have been a factor. The seller would have gotten more, the buyers would still have been happy, and I suspect we'd all have been intently watching the auction for at least another half hour! That was good TV for sure, and I want more....

Edit to add: I was an Administrator for many years at a card trading site (i.e., with $100, $500, $1k individual cards traded around the planet), and you really don't want to get into policing the community on deals. It's mostly wasted time. Let items like insurance and signature-required delivery confirmation take care of that. If you don't know how to reasonably protect against loss/theft/damage, and know what is available if they do occur, you simply shouldn't be trading.
 
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Seeking Alpha Social Club said:
Yes, that is correct. Although, the transaction did stem from a "Wanted" post that the buyer posted.
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Seeking Alpha Social Club said:
Yes, that is correct. Although, the transaction did stem from a "Wanted" post that the buyer posted.
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Kevin,
I sure didn't mean to piss you off. The chips are yours. I put a wanted ad for 30 -40 pca singles. I bought 80 from you. Then I inquired about another 80 chips then you approached me with the idea of buying the complete set from you. We then did agree in principle on a trade. I explained that I was at work and a lot of things going on while we working out the trade and I needed to get back to work. Got home and started to rethink the deal.
I sure didn't mean to cause hard feelings. I will send you the chips.
But to get lumped in with people getting chips and then not paying is kind of bs.
Chips will be in the mail Monday morning.
 
I will say that I was super opposed to charging a fee for classifieds on the blue site. However, we now have a situation of dilution and pollution.... So much crap to weed through to get to the useful stuff. Seems like this might benefit the buyer, but not the seller in WTS ads. The WTB ads have gotten wild, with people just posting like crazy. What happens is I (and most likely others) just tune it all out

As to content, with how the sales are run, I do believe there is room for improvement. I have never once felt uncomfortable conducting a transaction with a forum member... However, if current trends persist, it's liable to shake everyone's confidence in the marketplace. I really hope that doesn't happen.

If you make a deal, stick to the deal. If you sell chips, make sure they get there in one piece. If you back out, ya should have a damn good reason (in other words, don't make a deal, unless you're serious).
 

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