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Sellers remorse wtf ??? (2 Viewers)

@Tommy I hope you don't change much if anything at all. Not sure what happened. I absolutely depend on people keeping their word on long term trades/sales. I've got a deal with a member to trade up some Terrible's to make both our sets better. I found the chips I need since then. The member involved sent a pm asking if we are still on. I said yes "regardless of what happens or what chips I find." Another member just sent me 2 racks of PCNY 1s knowing they can't get their traded chips until July. We haven't even decided the money involved in the trade. I've got about 15 deals all said and done for the summer. I have confidence in these people and I hope they know I'll never back out of the deals I made.

I'm also going to be selling a huge number of chips in the summer. It will start by taking some orders to help people get their Terrible's sets straightened out first. @MrCheese, @spikeithard and @RowdyRawhide are at the front of the line but then it opens up to interest. @inca911 is waiting for his Lakeshore fracs. @linkslayer gets his 5s, there are others but you get the point. I'd rather avoid the "dibs" sales but that is fine too. I might have some "accepting offer" sales too. I think I can be trusted here and don't want that taken away.

Am I turned off buy how some sellers operate here? Yup. But they are foolishly jeopardizing their reputation, not mine. It is what it is. But if I get screwed in an epic deal here, every member will know exactly what happened and I'll hunt their ass down when I get home.

Regarding the Mapes auction last summer I had a laugh about it with David recently. He has at least an extra thousand of H|Qs money because of me and maybe karma will come back around my way by finding the last 80 MT secondary 1s on my hit list.
 
Trihonda said:
If you make a deal, stick to the deal. If you sell chips, make sure they get there in one piece. If you back out, ya should have a damn good reason (in other words, don't make a deal, unless you're serious).
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But what do you do when this happens to you? So far every person I dealt with was fantastic except once when this happen to me: Had a trade agreed, I was overseas and we agreed to ship it once I get back a week later. I got back, emailed for confirmation on insurance/shipping and other party stopped replying to my emails and ignored my messages here. Still have the chips packed.

slisk250 said:
@Tommy I hope you don't change much if anything at all. Not sure what happened. I absolutely depend on people keeping their word on long term trades/sales.
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Same here. I really like it the way it is.
 
jemfernandez said:
But what do you do when this happens to you? So far every person I dealt with was fantastic except once when this happen to me: Had a trade agreed, I was overseas and we agreed to ship it once I get back a week later. I got back, emailed for confirmation on insurance/shipping and other party stopped replying to my emails and ignored my messages here. Still have the chips packed.
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To be honest, you take it up via PM. And if that doesn't resolve things, and if there has been no money exchanged hands, you just have to move on. It doesn't benefit anyone to be bitter and hold grudges. You're just a bit smarter about doing business with that particular person now. :)

Definitely sucks if you've packaged everything up and all, but on the bright side, now they're ready to go for the next buyer...

One caveat... In my opinion, if you paid for (non-refundable) shipping on an agreed trade, and that person backs out of the deal, it'd be pretty douchey for them not to offer to cover shipping costs on your end.
 
I think there is a bit more to it than that. If you trade/sell other chips after knowing you will get others and that person pulls out, then you are in a pickle.
 
I don't like the "I'm seeing if I can make a million bucks so I'm testing the waters but don't want to sell unless you pay too much." ads.

Been a lot of that crap lately.

When my stuff says for sale, it's freaking for sale. And my prices are always fair, which is probably why most my sales last less than an hour.
 
Add me to the list of people who would love an example of what exactly is grinding gears in this thread.

The OP made a vague post about "sellers remorse" and preferring to pay eBay fees, others chimed in about "auctions" and BIN's?

If someone was dudded or unhappy with a transaction, out with it. Must be better than making snarky comments in members for sale threads????`

We're all adults here...................surely.
 
B.C. said:
Add me to the list of people who would love an example of what exactly is grinding gears in this thread.

The OP made a vague post about "sellers remorse" and preferring to pay eBay fees, others chimed in about "auctions" and BIN's?

If someone was dudded or unhappy with a transaction, out with it. Must be better than making snarky comments in members for sale threads????`

We're all adults here...................surely.
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wayyy more fun to start passive aggressive threads though ;)

i believe this would be called a micro aggression
 
BPTDirector said:
I don't like the "I'm seeing if I can make a million bucks so I'm testing the waters but don't want to sell unless you pay too much." ads.

Been a lot of that crap lately.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think this is what the OP was talking about. The for sale posts testing waters, only to be closed 24 hours later so transactions can be handled separately offline after the "interest" (offers) has set the "market" price, is pretty much h*rseshit. If that's what you want, go to f*cking eBay.

If you want to d*ck around with the PCF community, that's fine. Just don't be surprised when they d*ck you back (and talk about you behind your back in PMs). And there's one name that's been popping up quite a bit in my inbox these past couple of weeks.

And once you decide to set your reputation as a conniving money-grubbing a-hole who uses other community members to pad their own wallet, you can't really undo it.

I apologize if this post rubs some people the wrong way. I'm just not very good at tiptoeing around the issues.

:)

/rant
 
I still don't get the bickering/complaining about high asking prices. High asking prices are not necessarily all about greed, I figure they are often about chips being on the market which otherwise wouldn't be.

Say I have some chips I bought at $1 per and I figure the "fair market value consensus" might be at $2. Now... I wouldn't even sell these for $3 because I love them and I would rather have them than $3/per which happens to be 50% above "market". It has nothing to do with greed... we all have chips we have no intention of selling but we would all sell them for the right price. And then one day I see them go for $5 on eBay...

Now there are some here who seem to think if I sell them it should be to a fellow chipper for $1. There are others who seem to think if I sell them it should be to a fellow chipper for $2. Seeing that I wouldn't even sell them for $3 I would not take either of those options so either someone will offer me enough to convince me to give them up or I will happily keep them. If that labels me as greedy you use a different definition of the word than I do I guess.
 
Ronoh said:
I still don't get the bickering/complaining about high asking prices. High asking prices are not necessarily all about greed, I figure they are often about chips being on the market which otherwise wouldn't be.
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I think you're missing the point... no one here is complaining about high asking prices. Hell, I'm one of the ones who paid those insane asking prices not 24 hours ago! :)

Setting a price and asking for it, is one thing. Posting chips that "may" or "may not" be for sale, depending on responses you get, and pitting members against each other, waiting for the highest offer, just so you can tell everyone else they missed out is not, in my opinion, what this forum is about and it sets bad precedent. It's also just a sh*tty way to do business, at least in my opinion.

But clearly, I'm in the minority. The silent consensus says, "Create the feeding frenzy - let the chips (and dollars) fall where they may." And now that we all have the green light to operate this way, why wouldn't everyone else follow suit? Forget posting an asking price, just post "Maybe For Sale" threads and let the bidding ensue.

And that's fine if that's what this place is about... everyone should just know up front what they're getting into.
 
I'm just glad my interest is waning in the hobby because frankly as a community we are responsible for pushing chip prices well past ridiculous. Once I finish my SDPM cash set I'm quitting this shit for good. A small group hiding in corners pushing prices way past reasonable for a single piece of molded crap people loosely call clay, hell we are worse than oil speculators. I have sold almost all my sets except my customs and soon will liquidate all except for them and the Stardust cash set. This has become stupid.
 
I don't have a problem with how any sales are conducted. Feelers, auctions, ect.....If I open up the thread and I don't like the way its posted I just leave and don't go back. Its the sellers chips. He can attempt to sell them anyway he wants. If the mass majority doesn't like "auctions" and quits participating in them eventually they will go away. Same for the "feeler" type threads.

I'm also fine with however Tommy wants to handle the sales thread. This is a free site that I love coming to (about the only forum I check, and post daily in). I'll adapt to whatever changes (if any) that Tommy makes.

I do agree about the prices becoming ridiculous. For me personally, I have a very strict chip budget. So almost all pricing is out of my range, lol.
 
I posted my 1st two for sale ads on this classified forum yesterday, & also just paid for 400 Harbor lights from a cross link posted here ....

I plan on selling a bunch of chips and cards over the next couple months, to fund a custom cpc set I am wanting to have made ...

I find all types of sale ads informative, and I happen to choose " ask for thread offers " in my 2 ads, instead of posting a hard price , because,
( my particular reasoning, & probably similar to "most" classified posters),

A) Mainly, I may be willing to take less that what I feel is my reasonable price, if necessary, without broadcasting that fact before I get offers, or scare away potential buyers with a posted price. And yes, obviously there a possibility the demand for a chip could get the buyer a few cents more per chip, or whatever, than what his posted price might have been ...
B) I have found it very informative from a chip collector/addict perspective, when someone posts for offers, & then reading how many people are interested , and the various price offers made, I enjoy reading some of those offers, even if I'm not interested in buying those chips, and thought I'd "pay it forward" ...
It's not fair to paint with broad strokes and assume ads asking for offers are either by "people that really ain't sellin' their chips", or are by "people who think they are going to be millionaires waiting for prices that are way out of line" ....
I'm sure the majority of members here posting don't fall into those categories ...
Well, I changed one of my 2 sale threads to simply have an offer price, even though I didn't want to do that , & probably will do same for the other soon ....
 
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Sell however you want IMHO. However, but honor deals when you make them.

Once had a neighbor (who was moving soon) offer to sell us their son's bunk bed setup. We came buy twice to look, and on the second visit, we verbally came to an understanding that we'd buy it for their asking price, but we also indicated that since they weren't moving for a month, we'd wait to take it (so their son had somewhere to sleep).

A month goes by, and apparently they'd forgotten our deal, and the neighbor asked my wife if we still wanted the bed, since another neighbor had expressed interest and was willing to pay more than they had originally asked. It was now $200 more than agreed upon originally. We were so put off, we told them to eff off and keep their bed.

I've heard of similar things happening with chip sales, and this would be troubling indeed. If you post an "Make me an offer" thread, and you agree to a deal, don't renig if a higher offer comes in after the fact.
 
This forum is no different than your average poker table.

There is a guy who is playing for the first time, there is a guy who thinks he is the best player in the game - but clearly isn't, there is a young internet pro who thinks all live players are fish, there is an ultra aggressive rich guy who is happy to reload just to bust a few players, there's the guy who always seems to have your number, there is a crazy Asian lady who calls everything, there is a guy who always plays his lucky hands (J3, 52o & 9,10 suited) irrespective of the raise pre who seems to crack AA & KK with every one. There's an old man coffee, there's the stuck bitching guy who can't win a hand, there are the two guys on holiday just looking for laughs, there's the guy who raises every hand for an hour and can't miss, there's the pro who's grinding for wages and the young guy raising pre and betting his draws like a maniac just to get a roll to take a shot at $10/20 and there's you.

Everybody playing for various reasons with different motivations and in very different ways all on the same table. If you're bitching that the game should be ABC poker and you can't understand how people can play this way...........well, go google the opening line from rounders

Now

There are people on this forum who play poker, there are people here who collect chips, people looking for that "one" set or single chip they have to have and some are looking for multiple sets they have to have. There are people who run commercial businesses, people looking to buy low and sell high, people not interested in making money and simply enjoy the hunt, the trade or the interaction with friends and acquaintances. There are people who do all of these things.

Everyone is here for different reasons and their reasons for being here, are often not the same as yours.

Once you accept this, you will realise that bitching about any of the above is just stupid.
 
B.C. said:
This forum is no different than your average poker table.

There is a guy who is playing for the first time, there is a guy who thinks he is the best player in the game - but clearly isn't, there is a young internet pro who thinks all live players are fish, there is an ultra aggressive rich guy who is happy to reload just to bust a few players, there's the guy who always seems to have your number, there is a crazy Asian lady who calls everything, there is a guy who always plays his lucky hands (J3, 52o & 9,10 suited) irrespective of the raise pre who seems to crack AA & KK with every one. There's an old man coffee, there's the stuck bitching guy who can't win a hand, there are the two guys on holiday just looking for laughs, there's the guy who raises every hand for an hour and can't miss, there's the pro who's grinding for wages and the young guy raising pre and betting his draws like a maniac just to get a roll to take a shot at $10/20 and there's you.

Everybody playing for various reasons with different motivations and in very different ways all on the same table. If you're bitching that the game should be ABC poker and you can't understand how people can play this way...........well, go google the opening line from rounders

Now

There are people on this forum who play poker, there are people here who collect chips, people looking for that "one" set or single chip they have to have and some are looking for multiple sets they have to have. There are people who run commercial businesses, people looking to buy low and sell high, people not interested in making money and simply enjoy the hunt, the trade or the interaction with friends and acquaintances. There are people who do all of these things.

Everyone is here for different reasons and their reasons for being here, are often not the same as yours.

Once you accept this, you will realise that bitching about any of the above is just stupid.
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Very well put.
 
I still have no clue why this thread was initially posted? Seems like it was more of a passive aggressive missive because of a deal gone bad, but now its taken a life of its own, and sparked some healthy conversation.

I logged into CT this morning to see when I first joined the chip community, as recent activity is reminding me a great deal of that era. Its been 6-7 years, and I think we can say the pendulum has swung back. With Paulson out of the home market, No recent activity from the Chip Room, and price increases from CPC, we are seeing a major uptick in market prices. Though many people might not be used to seeing $3+ per chip pricing, I can remember when it was fairly commonplace. Starbursts used to sell easily for over $1 per chip. Because of these prices, Its also bringing a number of coveted chips out of the vault and into the classifieds (this is not a bad thing). In many cases, what seems like an exorbitant asking price might still be a break even price for the seller. Its really tough to say what is a fair price for many of these chips, and nobody wants to miscalculate and play the fool.

You can't blame Sellers for wanting to maximize their profit, or buyers for wanting to get a great deal, its human nature. If a rack of chips is listed for sale for $1000 and you negotiate the price down to $500, you think you are getting a great deal. If the same rack of chips is listed for $100 OBO, and the seller keeps upping the price to $500, then you feel like you are getting screwed and strung along. The opposite applies to the seller. In either case, you are getting to a market price. There are many different opinions out there on the best method to get to this price, and there will always be two points of view in any equation. Its very easy to say things should be this way for the good of the community, but sometimes not as easy when you are the one who stands to lose.

In either case, I think honesty and integrity are the pillars for doing any deal anywhere. If you enter a deal, then hold up to your end of it. I currently have a listing in the classifieds that seemed to rub many people the wrong way. Though I don't agree with many of the arguments, I just hope people aren't questioning my honesty about selling these chips.

I think we should all sit back and relax and enjoy the ride. Going back to 2009, I was in awe of the Ritz sets, the Crystal Parks, Olivias, PNYs, etc, and what people were willing to pay to build their sets. At some point, without realizing it, I got sucked in too.... Though some of the inlays and usernames have changed in todays market, the more things change, the more they remain the same. Don't hate the players, hate the game.
 
B.C. said:
Once you accept this, you will realise that bitching about any of the above is just stupid.
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But what if we REALLY enjoy arguing about the above.

Remember... Every once in a while, a Phil Hellmuth ends up playing at your poker table too.

*JustSomeDude stands up violently, and yells, "idiot from Northern Europe!"

*drops mic and walks away from the table
 
B.C. said:
Once you accept this, you will realise that bitching about any of the above is just stupid.
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I agree with most of your post. I also agree with @detroitdad . If a for sale ad rubs you the wrong way, stop reading the ad, don't buy anything from the seller... It's your choice what you like and don't like.

However, I do argue that once you enter into a deal, you shouldn't be backing out due to receiving better offers, etc... That's shady and really reduces the confidence of the overall marketplace.

The other aspect of the classifieds section that deserves some discussion is the recent flooding of ads. This can be a good thing, or bad, depending on your point of view. I personally love the additional sets coming onto the market, and love the potential opportunities. However, the more frivolous ads that are out there, the more really good ads will tend to get lost. People will start to tune out the classifieds (I know I have).

Now, people's ideas on what constitute a frivolous ad will vary. I see value in the WTB ads, but there certainly have gotten to be a LOT of them recently. lol. Sounds like the "interest" ads are rubbing people the wrong way? Are the WTB, and Interest ads being overused? Interesting debate.

So @B.C. I don't think it pays to bitch about stuff, but having a meaningful conversation on how things might be improved is not bitching IMHO.
 
B.C. said:
This forum is no different than your average poker table.

There is a guy who is playing for the first time, there is a guy who thinks he is the best player in the game - but clearly isn't, there is a young internet pro who thinks all live players are fish, there is an ultra aggressive rich guy who is happy to reload just to bust a few players, there's the guy who always seems to have your number, there is a crazy Asian lady who calls everything, there is a guy who always plays his lucky hands (J3, 52o & 9,10 suited) irrespective of the raise pre who seems to crack AA & KK with every one. There's an old man coffee, there's the stuck bitching guy who can't win a hand, there are the two guys on holiday just looking for laughs, there's the guy who raises every hand for an hour and can't miss, there's the pro who's grinding for wages and the young guy raising pre and betting his draws like a maniac just to get a roll to take a shot at $10/20 and there's you.

Everybody playing for various reasons with different motivations and in very different ways all on the same table. If you're bitching that the game should be ABC poker and you can't understand how people can play this way...........well, go google the opening line from rounders

Now

There are people on this forum who play poker, there are people here who collect chips, people looking for that "one" set or single chip they have to have and some are looking for multiple sets they have to have. There are people who run commercial businesses, people looking to buy low and sell high, people not interested in making money and simply enjoy the hunt, the trade or the interaction with friends and acquaintances. There are people who do all of these things.

Everyone is here for different reasons and their reasons for being here, are often not the same as yours.

Once you accept this, you will realise that bitching about any of the above is just stupid.
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That's a big table - 15 players ;)
 
Trihonda said:
However, I do argue that once you enter into a deal, you shouldn't be backing out due to receiving better offers, etc... That's shady and really reduces the confidence of the overall marketplace.
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Not a single poster in this thread - me included, disagrees with this point


Trihonda said:
So @B.C. having a meaningful conversation on how things might be improved is not bitching IMHO.
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Agree. About 5 people in the thread prior to me posting were. The rest, well see for yourself.
 
The first and last rule at my home game is "Don't be a dick". The same goes for trades and sales.

If life happens which it always does, communicate and let the other party know what's going on. The high school ghosting bs is bs.

That being said, I have had mostly good experiences vs. bad so far. I hope to continue to run good and I am impressed with a majority of this community.
 
Two types of people come here. Collectors and hosts. Collectors want to horde awesome chips. They consider their chips 'collectibles' and part of the hobby for them is the economic side. These folks have chips that will never see a table.

Hosts are here to improve their home game. They recognize that you need kickass chips to optimize the playing experience, and they might care more about that then being good at poker. They would consider buying a collectors 'unplayable' chips and making them the weekly set.

These two people want slightly different things from a classified section. Collectors want to buy and sell at a profit. Hosts want access to chips they can put into their game. They are unlikely to care about getting the 'perfect price' for chips, or spend a bunch of time haggling over nickels/chip.

If this place is to succeed, it will do so only as a community. If you are gonna come here and use the classifieds for free, it would behoove you to do so in a way that somehow contributes to the community. Otherwise, you risk investing only in your own self interest. That is how communities die, not grow.

You can make more rules if you want, but all that needs to happen is everybody engage a little empathy before they get all hot and bothered. If you need to bail on a deal, don't just go dark on the dude..have a little respect. Let them know what's up. Understand that people use the classifieds for different reasons..that's okay. Think the offer you just received is insulting? Great, maybe you should chill out..they're just poker chips. Try to remember that as you formulate your response.
 

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