Tourney Surrendering chips during a Bounty Tournament... (4 Viewers)

[ekricket]

I hear about people disagreeing with the fact that someone can surrender and cash out the Bounty, but isn't the point of surrendering to keep the Bounty when rebuying?

I've made it in my rules that you can surrender and rebuy a new stack, AND you get to keep the Bounty so you don't have to buy it again.
Giving it away to the winner of next hand seems odd to me, like too easy, or it could just incentivize players to do stupid all ins preflop to get the bounty.

WTF? Are you trolling? This is just stupid.

So there a threshold to win a bounty? Like it can’t be easy because sone dudes punted 95% of his stack in a pair draw? And now the player can just “cash out” of a tournament and go home? That’s stupid and no wonder your players do stupid shit.

 

[Budha]

Like in my example, the player had 0.7 blinds, should going all in the thing to do?

Yes - that’s the point - IMO. The cost of getting that low is losing your bounty.

 

[KHarp1]

My belief is that the bounty chip gets collected by the player that won the "all in" hand. For all intents and purposes the player that lost is, at that moment, out of the tournament. The person knocking him out, at that moment, should collect the bounty chip. If he rebuys then he is obligated to purchase another bounty chip. It IS, after all, a bounty tournament. There is no guarantee that the knocked out player is going to rebuy...even if he says he's going to. I've seen players get knocked out, swear they're going to rebuy, get up to go rebuy, and, change their mind.

My belief is there should be NO exceptions to this rule. All in in a bounty tournament means you lose your bounty to the player that knocked you out.

Now, if you surrender your chips and walk away then you have forfeited your bounty. How you decide to pay that out is up to you. I could see an argument for several rules, house keeps it, goes in the prize pool, goes to the dealers, etc, but, none of those arguments involves the quitter getting his money back.

 

[JustinInMN]

This is the way. Bounties start once the freeze out has begun.

No, not quite what I was saying. Bounties should count before and after the freezout has begun. But using the surrender option to walk away from a tournament at the freezeout point should never be an option.

 

[TudiscoKid]

WTF? Are you trolling? This is just stupid.

So there a threshold to win a bounty? Like it can’t be easy because sone dudes punted 95% of his stack in a pair draw? And now the player can just “cash out” of a tournament and go home? That’s stupid and no wonder your players do stupid shit.

Why are you so aggressive?

 

[upNdown]

I don’t think I can say it any plainer but I will try.

1. Stop playing for bounty’s. No tournament player cares about that.
2. Start paying the bonus for the highest hand that is played to showdown FOR THE ENTIRE EVENING. Kinda like what I said in the first sentence.
3. You can easily track this with a high hand button.

I dint think I can ever explain the rest to you I really regret even replying here as you guys are really doing something else besides playing tournament poker. You can call it that but it’s more about circus stuff under the guise of a “poker” game. If the current circus gets in the way of the game…. well you have to learn to live with what you can’t rise above.

 

[KHarp1]

No, not quite what I was saying. Bounties should count before and after the freezout has begun. But using the surrender option to walk away from a tournament at the freezeout point should never be an option.

I agree. If it's before the freezeout and the player walks away, then his stack should be blinded out. Bounty chip goes in on last blind/ante that goes in for the vacated player.

 

[JustinInMN]

I don't care for rebuys OR bounties and I especially don't like them together.
View attachment 1183208

But if I were to do it, I'd make it a re-entry, not a rebuy. So when you lose your stack, you lose your bounty. Buy a new stack, get a new bounty. And as much as I love the "screw you guys I'm going home and taking my bounty with me" attitude, I'd make a rule against it.

Agree with most of your point, just not sure what the Church Lady has to do with it .

 

[JustinInMN]

Like in my example, the player had 0.7 blinds, should going all in the thing to do? I mean it's a ridiculously easy Bounty, I'm not talking about 5 or 10 blinds which can still represent something.

Yes, that's how bounty tournaments should work. No one gets to surrender a regular tournament because they are down to a chip and a chair, why should that change in a bounty tournament?

 

[Budha]

Switch your bounty to high hand for the evening. Fixes all these dumb problems, but still warps the action during hands which is what you seem to desire.

Bounty’s and rebuys add more $$ to be won. I like that. If I play well, I can win more $$.

High hand bonus is luck, I don’t like that.

If set up correctly, bounty’s and rebuy add a little more action and build the pay-out without creating a coin flip luck fest.

There’s one bounty per player issued. You don’t get bounty chip with rebuys.

 

[upNdown]

Agree with most of your point, just not sure what the Church Lady has to do with it .

Just saying my way (no bounties no rebuys) is superior. With a dance.

 

[ekricket]

Why are you so aggressive?

Because you aren’t even trying to understand our comments. That’s why I asked if you were trolling.

Your rule is very very bad. Sorry if you think that is mean, but it’s the honest truth.


Your rule is bad and it sets up bad situations. If it was a good rule you would not have to post this. Wake up.

 

[ekricket]

High hand bonus is luck, I don’t like that.

No it isn’t all luck. You have to nurse it to the showdown and keep it active.
Bounties are more luck than any other poker bonus.

 

[JustinInMN]

Just saying my way (no bounties no rebuys) is superior. With a dance.

I heart the church lady, even if I know it's Dana Carvey.

And yes, this then becomes related to the question he asks as Garth in "Wayne's World."

(I heart Dana Carvey too.)

 

[Poker Zombie]

All rebuy stacks are 80% of initial stack

So your worst players, the ones who need the rebuy the most often, are paying full price for considerably fewer chips that the average stack, and far below your chip leaders?

If anybody ever rebuys in this game, I need them in my game. There may actually be somebody worse at math than me.

 

[upNdown]

There’s one bounty per player issued. You don’t get bounty chip with rebuys.

I don’t agree with most of what you wrote, but that’s mostly personal preference. But this one seems legitimately strange to me. If you want to create more action with bounties, why aren’t you selling bounty chips with rebuys? That would create more action, wouldn’t it?

 

[Budha]

No it isn’t all luck. You have to nurse it to the showdown and keep it active.
Bounties are more luck than any other poker bonus.

Yeah - I can agree you may have to nurse a high hand. That’s fair.

 

[TudiscoKid]

There’s one bounty per player issued. You don’t get bounty chip with rebuys.

No bounty chip issued with rebuys? It kinda limits the amount of bounties won doesn't it?

 

[JustinInMN]

There’s one bounty per player issued. You don’t get bounty chip with rebuys.

Hmm, I feel obliged to point out the obvious flaw with this. What if an eliminated player bases is choice on whether or not to continue on who eliminated him. He then can basically pick and choose which players collect a bounty and which ones don't.

This approach needlessly punishes players that eliminate players depending on the decision an eliminated player makes.

 

[Budha]

So your worst players, the ones who need the rebuy the most often, are paying full price for considerably fewer chips that the average stack, and far below your chip leaders?

If anybody ever rebuys in this game, I need them in my game. There may actually be somebody worse at math than me.

It’s not always the worst player that rebuys. Bad beats, river sucks, etc.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I don’t agree with most of what you wrote, but that’s mostly personal preference. But this one seems legitimately strange to me. If you want to create more action with bounties, why aren’t you selling bounty chips with rebuys? That would create more action, wouldn’t it?

We dont give a bounty chip with a rebuy, because the player in question got back up. It cost them $30 to get back up, but they got back up. It does not change the action, but it could, if the bounty was a significant amount (relative to the buy-in/prize pool).

 

[ekricket]

Like in my example, the player had 0.7 blinds, should going all in the thing to do? I mean it's a ridiculously easy Bounty, I'm not talking about 5 or 10 blinds which can still represent something.

How is this even a question? Later on in the tournament do people that have minuscule stacks get to surrender and keep their bounty? Hopefully not, but I don’t know in your version of “tournament poker”.
It plays the same in a normal poker game, whether it is the last hand before rebuy or the last hand heads up.

 

[Poker Zombie]

It’s not always the worst player that rebuys. Bad beats, river sucks, etc.

Not always, but the ones that use it the most frequently. If I were to share my records with just the buy-in and rebuy column showing, you could determine some of the best and worst players, just by those two stats. As with any statistical data, there will be outliers (super-nits that rarely need to rebuy because they limp-fold a workable stack past the rebuy period, for example)

 

[upNdown]

We dont give a bounty chip with a rebuy, because the player in question got back up. It cost them $30 to get back up, but they got back up. It does not change the action, but it could, if the bounty was a significant amount (relative to the buy-in/prize pool).

Huh? Got back up? I’m not sure what you mean.

 

[Poker Zombie]

How is this even a question? Later on in the tournament do people that have minuscule stacks get to surrender and keep their bounty? Hopefully not, but I don’t know in your version of “tournament poker”.
It plays the same in a normal poker game, whether it is the last hand before rebuy or the last hand heads up.

I'm not a fan of bounties, but I have seen plenty of tournaments that have bounties, including WSOP events.

 

[Budha]

No bounty chip issued with rebuys? It kinda limits the amount of bounties won doesn't it?

Yes - but people tend to protect the one bounty they have, so it promotes generally better play.

 

[TudiscoKid]

Yes - but people tend to protect the one bounty they have, so it promotes generally better play.

So when do people lose their Bounty, after the rebuy period is over?

 

[dpeks13]

 

[Budha]

Hmm, I feel obliged to point out the obvious flaw with this. What if an eliminated player bases is choice on whether or not to continue on who eliminated him. He then can basically pick and choose which players collect a bounty and which ones don't.

This approach needlessly punishes players that eliminate players depending on the decision an eliminated player makes.

We never had an issue with this to be honest. I guess it’s possible, but never presented itself as a material concern.

 

[Budha]

So when do people lose their Bounty, after the rebuy period is over?

As soon as they loose their stack. Regardless.