Thoughts on a 5/5 PLO hand (1 Viewer)

[xdan]

Edit. Sorry people. Wrong notes.


Last night playing 5/5
Stack is around $600
$10 straddle.
Utg makes it $30. Calls all the way around.
Straddle pops it to $200
4 callers for $200. Comes back to me.

JJ55. $170 to call.

What am I doing?

 

[mipevi]

Should be $80 to call, unless you were very, very drunk.

If double-suited POT, otherwise just call and setmine.

 

[Marius L]

Last night playing 5/5
Stack is around $600
Utg makes it $20. I call $20.

Raised to $100 (rounded up just coz) Call. Call. Initial raiser Call. Back to me with only $20 invested. Im closing the action.

JJ55. $180 to call.

What am I doing?

Your cards doesn't really play great together. It's a pretty mediocre/bad hand IMO. I'd fold easily to $180, but seems the actual raise is only $80? And the total pot size is $420 before your call? You ate basically set mining, but your fives are sketchy hitting a set, as you will end up in set under set situations. Flopping a jack is the only thing that is good for you. Do you have suited cards?

I'd likely just fold this.

 

[xdan]

First rate could have been $90
They just made it $100 coz of a black chip.
There may have been a $10 straddle. Can’t remember.

My hand had one suit. Can’t give much credit to a Jack high flush if it does roll in.
I should have folder pre. Obviously.

I fucked up the OP. Just realised. God damn. I’ll edit

 

[xdan]

Sorry all. OP fixed with right notes

 

[xdan]

$170 to call with $1000 in the middle plus some dead money.
I have a rubbish hand, I know.

Action?

 

[davislane]

no gamble no future.

 

[xdan]

no gamble no future.

I’ve seen your hand histories.
You’d call with a cut card and a draw 4.

 

[mipevi]

Ok, to me all options are -EV now and I doubt there is any fold-equity left. Folding looks like the cheapest option.

 

[davislane]

I’ve seen your hand histories.
You’d call with a cut card and a draw 4.

its omaha. only need 2 cards to win

 

[xdan]

So I folded. Figured my hand wasn’t really worth the $30 to begin with.
Anyways, flop was JJ8

Flip action exploded. someone on a bluff and someone with a straight draw. Would have been well over $2k pot.
Can’t live results orientated.
Everyone at the table was like ‘how do you fold jacks pre?’ ‘You had pot odds etc’ anyways. I know the correct play was a fold.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Correct play is a fold. It's easy to get suckered into a double paired hand in PLO but you have to be careful as not all double paired hands are created equally.

The problem is your second pair is below a pair of 7's. So even if you hit your set on an unpaired flop, it'll either not be the top set, or if it IS the top set, a straight is possible (i.e. you're unable to flop the nuts with the 55 unless it comes 55x)

In addition as others have pointed out, there's no connectivity between your pairs. QQJJ or JJTT is going to play a lot better. Even then, facing significant action, depending on the opponents those may be folds as well (if your opponents are the type to show up with AAxx or KKxx in these spots) as having a paired hand against a higher pair is generally disaster (I'd rather have JT98 vs the AAxx or KKxx holdings, for instance)

Your JJ55 hand isn't going to play great against a multiway field or even headsup against the hands others should be stacking off with preflop. So as you said, your fold was the correct one, results be damned.

edit: Forgot to add this is a fold pre, I wouldn't be calling raises with it either.

 

[mipevi]

Yeah JJ55ss not really a multiway OOP type of hand to begin with. It can be fun to call IP with against a later position open, planning to blocker bluff some straights postflop.

 

[davislane]

So I folded. Figured my hand wasn’t really worth the $30 to begin with.
Anyways, flop was JJ8

Flip action exploded. someone on a bluff and someone with a straight draw. Would have been well over $2k pot.
Can’t live results orientated.
Everyone at the table was like ‘how do you fold jacks pre?’ ‘You had pot odds etc’ anyways. I know the correct play was a fold.

no gamble no future

 

[Anthony Martino]

Yeah JJ55ss not really a multiway OOP type of hand to begin with. It can be fun to call IP with against a later position open, planning to blocker bluff some straights postflop.

The problem here is that you're then at a table with thinking opponents who are assigning ranges, considering board texture, etc. I don't want opponents capable of finding a fold, I want the monkeys who can't let go of bottom two pair that I can take on a one-way trip to valuetown!

 

[mipevi]

Obviously we don’t bluff people that can’t fold. But if I can’t select a table full of monkeys, I like to have some extra plays vs. the decent thinkers. Hell, after you show a bluff like that, the monkeys are certainly never folding to your bets/raises anymore!

 

[Senzrock]

Good fold.

 

[Jimulacrum]

You did have "pot odds" in the sense that you always have pot odds because that's something you can choose to quantify.

What you didn't have was good pot odds to play a hand that's comprised of two set-mining expeditions, neither of which is even that great.

Good fold. Sucks it would've quadded up and let you stack everyone, but if it makes you feel any better, the odds against that were dramatically worse than the odds you were getting (pot or implied).

 

[xdan]

smart feedback. Thanks everyone.

The game is such bingo.
People couldn’t believe I folded a hand with 2 pairs.

I see people stick in $400 pre with AKJT no suits because it’s 4 Broadway cards.

 

[davislane]

smart feedback. Thanks everyone.

The game is such bingo.
People couldn’t believe I folded a hand with 2 pairs.

I see people stick in $400 pre with AKJT no suits because it’s 4 Broadway cards.

life nit. no gamble no future

 

[kirchhausen]

Edit. Sorry people. Wrong notes.


Last night playing 5/5
Stack is around $600
$10 straddle.
Utg makes it $30. Calls all the way around.
Straddle pops it to $200
4 callers for $200. Comes back to me.

JJ55. $170 to call.

What am I doing?

Fold