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You seem to be cocktail experts and since I can trust your taste in chips (and in chips I’m sure your tastes are more sophisticated than mine), I think I can trust your taste in cocktails. Starting simple, if I want to equip a home bar so I can make an old fashioned, negroni, and manhattan, which base alcohols, vermouths, bitters, and camparis do you recommend?

Also, do you agree with the recipes from here?

https://www.liquor.com/classic-cocktails-5217936

Any and all guidance/tips appreciated :)
Another drink you can try that is very underrated is a Peach Old Fashioned. It's a spin on a Wisconsin Old Fashioned.

Take a luxardo cherry and 1 orange slice and muddle both, then add 2oz bourbon and 1/2oz peach schnapps along with a couple dashes or orange bitters. Stir all over ice and strain over a single ice cube.

Also fantastic.
 
And a spin of a Wisconsin Brandy Old Fashioned, Muddle an orange slice and a luxardo cherry and add bourbon and bitters.

Me personally, I try to naturally sweeten cocktails with fruit or maple syrup vs simple syrups and sugar. This is, of course, a personal preference.

You can make a standard Old Fashioned into a peach Old Fashioned by just using peach bitters.

I did this over the weekend by using peach bitters in my barrel aged maple old fashioned, and it was excellent. Literally 1000 different variations depending on your tastes and experiments.
 
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The fun in the journey is finding what works for you. Here is my recipe for Old Fashioneds that I pretty much stole from @Hornet

-3 oz of your favorite bourbon or re
-home made Simple syrup (use a raw, unfiltered cane sugar)
-4 dashes of bitters (orange and cherry or angostura)
-Garnish with orange peel and cherry (luxardo)

All over a big ice ball or big ice cube.

I prefer a 100 to a 115 proof for my old fashioneds. You will have to figure out what you like.

I will defer the martini recipe to the Martini award winning @Poker Zombie
I'm going to give this a try. How many ounces of simple syrup?
 
OK, so basically adjust to taste. My wife doesn't care for a strong alcohol taste. Maybe try half as much as the bourbon???
If your wife doesn't like the alcohol taste, an old fashioned is likely not the drink for her. Old fashioneds and manhattans are very whiskey-forward drinks.
 
You seem to be cocktail experts and since I can trust your taste in chips (and in chips I’m sure your tastes are more sophisticated than mine), I think I can trust your taste in cocktails. Starting simple, if I want to equip a home bar so I can make an old fashioned, negroni, and manhattan, which base alcohols, vermouths, bitters, and camparis do you recommend?

Also, do you agree with the recipes from here?

https://www.liquor.com/classic-cocktails-5217936

Any and all guidance/tips appreciated :)
Half the fun of cocktails is making little twists to the established basic recipes. I love a Manhattan and am amazed how much changing just one ingredient changes the drink.

For a group of base recipes, I actually use this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IBA_official_cocktails

Each cocktail there has the IBA "recipe" which is the standard upon which they base their judging in their World Cocktail Competition.


My only other suggestion is to not try to stock a new bar for a dozen different cocktails. It's tempting, but can get very expensive to start but can also see you buying specific liqueurs and flavorings that are only used in one drink that you might make once in a rare while. Buy your base liquors (vodka, whiskey, gin, etc.) which can be used for all variety of drinks. From there, think of two or three cocktails you know you are going to want to drink and buy the specialized ingredients for those (vermouths, bitters, etc.). With the basics in hand, you can easily expand out to others, but starting with a core group will help conserve the budget a little.

Glassware is also very nice, but can also get expensive. You see all variety of glasses here, but my recommendation is to not do what I did and buy a bunch of specialized glasses I never use. Rocks glass, Collins glass, and Highball glasses are not terribly different than the glasses you probably already have in your cupboard. Use those to start, then get the "proper" glassware as you settle in. Something like a Nick and Nora glass (I prefer to the V shaped Martini glass) doesn't really have an equivalent in your cupboard already but you could get away with the "wrong" glass if drinking for yourself for a little while until you learn you are going to be making more of the drinks that feature those.

Pony/jigger, shaker and other bar hardware (and even some simple glassware) can be had relatively inexpensively if you have a restaurant supply store where you are at.

Good ice makes all the difference. If your water at the tap is a little funky, make ice from filtered water. You'll go through more ice than you think when making cocktails.



Good luck and enjoy the ride! I had plenty of time to explore cocktails during COVID lockdown and looked forward to ordering my next batch of ingredients so I could play with a different rye here or vermouth there.
 
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Half the fun of cocktails is making little twists to the established basic recipes. I love a Manhattan and am amazed how much changing just one ingredient changes the drink.

For a group of base recipes, I actually use this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IBA_official_cocktails

Each cocktail there has the IBA "recipe" which is the standard upon which they base their judging in their World Cocktail Competition.


My only other suggestion is to not try to stock a new bar for a dozen different cocktails. It's tempting, but can get very expensive to start but can also see you buying spefici liqueurs and flavorings that are only used in one drink that you might make once in a rare while. Buy your base liquors (vodka, whiskey, gin, etc.) which can be used for all variety of drinks. From there, think of two or three cocktails you know you are going to want to drink and buy the specialized ingredients for those (vermouths, bitters, etc.). With the basics in hand, you can easily expand out to others, but starting with a core group will help conserve the budget a little.

Glassware is also very nice, but can also get expensive. You see all variety of glasses here, but my recommendation is to not do what I did and buy a bunch of specialized glasses I never use. Rocks glass, Collins glass, and Highball glasses are not terribly different than the glasses you probably already have in your cupboard. Use those to start, then get the "proper" glassware as you settle in. Something like a Nick and Nora glass (I prefer to the V shaped Martini glass) doesn't really have an equivalent in your cupboard already but you could get away with the "wrong" glass if drinking for yourself for a little while until you learn you are going to be making more of the drinks that feature those.

Pony/jigger, shaker and other bar hardware (and even some simple glassware) can be had relatively inexpensively if you have a restaurant supply store where you are at.

Good ice makes all the difference. If your water at the tap is a little funky, make ice from filtered water. You'll go through more ice than you think when making cocktails.



Good luck and enjoy the ride! I had plenty of time to explore cocktails during COVID lockdown and looked forward to ordering my next batch of ingredients so I could play with a different rye here or vermouth there.

Well said sir!
 
If your wife doesn't like the alcohol taste, an old fashioned is likely not the drink for her. Old fashioneds and manhattans are very whiskey-forward drinks.
No she loves old fashions the way her son makes them. I asked him and he does 1/2 shot of syrup to 2 shots of bourbon. I just meant she doesn't like to drink it neat or on the rocks.
 
For barware, I highly recommend barsupplies.com. Very good quality products for reasonable prices. All my glassware is from here except for my mixing glasses.

You don't have to spend a ton of money to have a nice stocked bar, as long as you don't focus on cocktails with hard to find liqueurs in them.
You seem to be cocktail experts and since I can trust your taste in chips (and in chips I’m sure your tastes are more sophisticated than mine), I think I can trust your taste in cocktails. Starting simple, if I want to equip a home bar so I can make an old fashioned, negroni, and manhattan, which base alcohols, vermouths, bitters, and camparis do you recommend?

Also, do you agree with the recipes from here?

https://www.liquor.com/classic-cocktails-5217936

Any and all guidance/tips appreciated :)
For barware, I highly recommend barsupplies.com. Very good quality products for reasonable prices. All my glassware is from here except for my mixing glasses.

I terms of Jiggers, I really like Leopold jiggers from cocktailkingdom.com. Really comfortable and solid.

I have an ice maker in my bar fridge but I noticed that it is too small if I have people over, so I ended up buying a $100 clear ice tabletop ice maker off of amazon, and I love it. Solid investment.

You don't have to spend a ton of money to have a nicely stocked bar, as long as you don't focus on cocktails with hard to find liqueurs in them.
 
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Sorry. Forgot to add.

Square ice cube trays are a must. Take the cocktails to a whole new level.

I splurged a little and bought a really nice shaker. $60-70. Really comfortable and durable. Highly recommend the Elevated Craft shaker. Very nice.
 
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For barware, I highly recommend barsupplies.com. Very good quality products for reasonable prices. All my glassware is from here except for my mixing glasses.

You don't have to spend a ton of money to have a nice stocked bar, as long as you don't focus on cocktails with hard to find liqueurs in them.

For barware, I highly recommend barsupplies.com. Very good quality products for reasonable prices. All my glassware is from here except for my mixing glasses.

I terms of Jiggers, I really like Leopold jiggers from cocktailkingdom.com. Really comfortable and solid.

I have an ice maker in my bar fridge but I noticed that it is too small if I have people over, so I ended up buying a $100 clear ice tabletop ice maker off of amazon, and I love it. Solid investment.

You don't have to spend a ton of money to have a nicely stocked bar, as long as you don't focus on cocktails with hard to find liqueurs in them.
Thanks for the link! I've been looking for a set of cut glass bar glasses in a larger size. Most of the ones on Amazon are 10-11 oz, and I like a little larger for cocktails without going all the way to a tall glass. I think I may have found the perfect one on the site you linked. This one is 14 oz.

https://barsupplies.com/collections...nicr-japanese-diamond-cut-14oz-highball-glass

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At about $3 a glass, I know it's not going to be real cut crystal, but I think it will meet my needs nicely.
 
1/2 shot of syrup

I don't even use that much. I use the juice from a slice of orange to give my wife the sweetness that she prefers. I'm always trying different bitters, sugars, ect....

I make my own simple syrup using a raw, unfiltered cane sugar. Sometimes, if I want to add another layer of flavor, I'll throw in a knob of fresh ginger into the sugar water when I'm making the syrup. It's full of awesomeness!
 
Custom rock glasses for the win!

Another drink that I like

2 ounces of bourbon
.5 ounce of sweet vermoth
.5 ounce of campri or aperol
luxardo cherry
 
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My goodness, that was a lot of GREAT information! Thanks a bunch @detroitdad @TomC727 @SteveEH @AlbinoDragon @Klobberer

I plan to get a rye, a bourbon, a peaty whiskey, a gin, some sweet and bitter vermouth, campari, a few bitters mentioned in this thread, and Luxardo cherries to start. Perhaps barware down the road.

Quick question - does it really make a big difference if I shake the cocktail in a shaker then pour it into a glass? I was planning to build the drink in the glass, add ice, stir, then garnish.
 
I shake the cocktail in a shaker then pour it into a glass

I am not an expert. I think why you shake it in the glass to cut the ice into the drink a little more. The only drinks I do this with is when I'm making a martini. I don't want to cut my bourbon drinks with any ice/water. That's why I use a large, round, ice ball in my old fashioneds. It melts slower. Even then I usually remove it 5 minutes later.
 
My goodness, that was a lot of GREAT information! Thanks a bunch @detroitdad @TomC727 @SteveEH @AlbinoDragon @Klobberer

I plan to get a rye, a bourbon, a peaty whiskey, a gin, some sweet and bitter vermouth, campari, a few bitters mentioned in this thread, and Luxardo cherries to start. Perhaps barware down the road.

Quick question - does it really make a big difference if I shake the cocktail in a shaker then pour it into a glass? I was planning to build the drink in the glass, add ice, stir, then garnish.
Of the three cocktails you mentioned, you won't want a shaker - it will make them cloudy. Old fashioneds can be made right in the glass, but I mix my negronis and Manhattan's in a mixing glass.

Shakers for sours.
 
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Bill is right - shaking cools a drink significantly more than stirring. Shaking with ice also adds the extra benefit of adding water to the drink - not something you want to do with bourbon. I prefer Ice spheres or metal (non-melting) ice cubes to chill my bourbon.

It is also the reason you should never store your vodka or gin in the freezer. Cold vodka/gin melts the ice slower giving you an improperly mixed cocktail, and takes longer for the flavors to blossom.

For the martini purists (gin, not vodka), stirring it the preferred method. Some will claim it "bruises" the gin, which is utter nonsense. It will however, make the drink cloudy, which is visually less appealing. Vodka does not suffer from the cloudy effect, so James Bond's "Vodka martini; shaken, not stirred" is correct.
 
By the way, Luxardo cherries are cheapest at walmart.com. If you order two jars its free shipping.
 
By the way, Luxardo cherries are cheapest at walmart.com. If you order two jars its free shipping.
...or if you have a Total Wine near you, they frequently send us $5 off coupons. Save 4 of them and a jar costs $1.99 (in Tennessee you cannot use the discount on Alcohol, so it's all cherries and the occasional tonic water for us).
 
By the way, Luxardo cherries are cheapest at walmart.com. If you order two jars its free shipping.
In prepping for my first homemade Old Fashioned, I stopped into a local liquor store for a few accessories last night. 'bout had a coronary when I saw the cost of Luxardo cherries!!! $23.99!!! For cherries??? I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

These were on the shelf right next to them. $5.99, so I took a chance. Don't know what I'm comparing them to, but they were pretty good. Definitely a LOT better than the nasty, sugary, bright red ones they sell in the supermarket. Anyone else ever try these or compare them directly to Luxardo?

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In prepping for my first homemade Old Fashioned, I stopped into a local liquor store for a few accessories last night. 'bout had a coronary when I saw the cost of Luxardo cherries!!! $23.99!!! For cherries??? I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

The luxardos cherries are packed in the jar. You get way more than the standard sugar cherries. My last order on walmart.com was $33 bucks for two jars. I said the same thing that you did. @Hornet changed my opinion when he served them to me in an old fashioned.

My wife balked at the price. That is until she actually had them. Now that is all that we use!
 
Bill's not wrong.

If we have the "regular" maraschino cherries anymore, it's for people that we don't think would appreciate the quality. We use them for bannana splits, sundaes, and of course manhattans.
 
Bill's not wrong.

If we have the "regular" maraschino cherries anymore, it's for people that we don't think would appreciate the quality. We use them for bannana splits, sundaes, and of course manhattans.
The squirrels get the shitty maraschinos at my game :)
 
My goodness, that was a lot of GREAT information! Thanks a bunch @detroitdad @TomC727 @SteveEH @AlbinoDragon @Klobberer

I plan to get a rye, a bourbon, a peaty whiskey, a gin, some sweet and bitter vermouth, campari, a few bitters mentioned in this thread, and Luxardo cherries to start. Perhaps barware down the road.

Quick question - does it really make a big difference if I shake the cocktail in a shaker then pour it into a glass? I was planning to build the drink in the glass, add ice, stir, then garnish.
The rule of thumb I've always heard and followed is you shake if there is juices involved (think, margarita, daiquiri, anything "sour"). Drinks made almost exclusively with liquor (martini, Manhattan, etc.) are stirred. The IBA recipes I linked do state the preferred mixing method.


The somewhat joking comment I heard once, but makes a bit of sense, is the reason James Bond wanted his martini shaken was to break down the ice more and dilute the drink. It allowed him to have the appearance of drinking and maybe even drinking a lot while not getting as tipsy as it might appear. He still had to be able to pay attention, make observations and collect intel for MI6 after all.
 
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Bill's not wrong.

If we have the "regular" maraschino cherries anymore, it's for people that we don't think would appreciate the quality. We use them for bannana splits, sundaes, and of course manhattans.
It's not a cocktail, but after a couple "diluted" martinis (the amount of alcohol in the shaker is the same, shaken or stirred) I couldnt resist a Luxardo for dessert.
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As a side note, you don't just pay for the cherries. The syrup the Luxardos are packed in is also liquid gold.
 

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