Tourney To use or not to use, a dealer button (2 Viewers)

[Salbino]

An interesting argument, no fight, happened at my last tournament.

One player suggested that we ditch the dealer button because we were self dealing so the dealer was obvious. Another player didn’t like that suggesting and got a little heated ‍

Thing is though, I kinda low key agree with that. Usually we’re half way through the hole cards on the next hand before someone notices that the button didn’t get moved.

 

[FestiveKnight]

Ya I mean, and some people think the world is flat? This is a hard no for me

 

[springbox]

What? Use the button. I've never seen a poker game without a dealer button. It takes 2 seconds to move and not having it is asking for more out of turn actions.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

@bernielomax

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Dealer button every time. Remind people position matters, and can easily see whos next to act because my apes always put the stub down between streets. And before any of you mooks tell me to teach them not to, dont worry about it, we just learned how to check instead of folding.

 

[Salbino]

What? Use the button. I've never seen a poker game without a dealer button. It takes 2 seconds to move and not having it is asking for more out of turn actions.

Yeah good point. I could go either way but I guess all it takes is one person to not know what’s going on to screw up everyone else.

 

[upNdown]

What? Use the button. I've never seen a poker game without a dealer button.

That’s a little extreme.
I never used to use a dealer button in my games, because we self deal, so who needs one? Truth is I really don’t care, but some of my players do, so I usually have one on the table. But it gets moved less than half the time. People forget to move the button, probably because it’s totally unnecessary for a self-dealt game.

 

[drdr]

That’s a little extreme.
I never used to use a dealer button in my games, because we self deal, so who needs one? Truth is I really don’t care, but some of my players do, so I usually have one on the table. But it gets moved less than half the time. People forget to move the button, probably because it’s totally unnecessary for a self-dealt game.

Nah, is necessary. Post flop the button clearly denotes where the action starts, prevents errors which leads to slowdowns to resolve. After the hand button avoids confusion who is on the blinds. If dealer is shuffling and self dealing, just make it normal for the dealer to ensure they have the button. Becomes habit quick. Avoids arguments. My experience, anyway.

 

[Salbino]

Dealer button every time. Remind people position matters, and can easily see whos next to act because my apes always put the stub down between streets. And before any of you mooks tell me to teach them not to, dont worry about it, we just learned how to check instead of folding.

 

[AlbinoDragon]

Dealer button is also helpful if you are using two decks of cards.

"Is that the stub or the deck that was just shuffled?"

Button clearly marks the dealer which makes things significantly easier.

 

[upNdown]

Nah, is necessary. Post flop the button clearly denotes where the action starts, prevents errors which leads to slowdowns to resolve. After the hand button avoids confusion who is on the blinds. If dealer is shuffling and self dealing, just make it normal for the dealer to ensure they have the button. Becomes habit quick. Avoids arguments. My experience, anyway.

I’ve been thinking about it. I have a smaller 8-person table that’s closer to a circle (as opposed to a long oval.) Prior to that I had an octagon. And we’re often playing 7 or 6 handed. And we’re usually good at working two decks, so one hand starts immediately after the previous hand ends. So everybody’s probably more engaged than they might normally be, at a 9-handed 9 foot oval. And when everybody’s engaged in the game, everybody knows their position.

I can appreciate what you’re saying. There have definitely been times where I’ve been really banged up and can’t remember what’s going on, and I look for a dealer button to save me. But I’m telling you, my game will typically go for half an orbit or more before somebody moves the button, and we’re no worse for it.

 

[doublebooyah85]

It’s a no brainer. Helps people as a card capper.

 

[bernielomax]

Dealer button every time. Remind people position matters, and can easily see whos next to act because my apes always put the stub down between streets. And before any of you mooks tell me to teach them not to, dont worry about it, we just learned how to check instead of folding.

In a self dealt game it would be irresponsible to ask a player to look at the backs of the cards in front of them, observe the color and then look around the table to see who has that particular colored deck in front of them. It would also be irresponsible to ask a player to observe who provided them with their cards.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

In a self dealt game it would be irresponsible to ask a player to look at the backs of the cards in front of them, observe the color and then look around the table to see who has that particular colored deck in front of them. It would also be irresponsible to ask a player to observe who provided them with their cards.

Yeah, cause with 8 beginners on a Barrington, they're absolutely going to put the stub directly in front of them in orderly fashion instead of placing it next to the flop and getting into a conversation about dumb shit with the first to act player.

I serve you sarcasm right back! Look at the button, no inquiries needed.

 

[bernielomax]

Yeah, cause with 8 beginners on a Barrington, they're absolutely going to put the stub directly in front of them in orderly fashion instead of placing it next to the flop and getting into a conversation about dumb shit with the first to act player.

I serve you sarcasm right back! Look at the button, no inquiries needed.

Yep, 8 beginners are also going to remember to move it each hand.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Yep, 8 beginners are also going to remember to move it each hand.

Nope, I move it, and I dont expect a penny for it. Saint me later.

 

[upNdown]

Yeah, cause with 8 beginners on a Barrington, they're absolutely going to put the stub directly in front of them in orderly fashion instead of placing it next to the flop and getting into a conversation about dumb shit with the first to act player.

I serve you sarcasm right back! Look at the button, no inquiries needed.

Well if you’re playing with 8 beginners, then by all means use a button. You could probably use those small blind and big blind buttons too.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Well if you’re playing with 8 beginners, then by all means use a button. You could probably use those small blind and big blind buttons too.

Never. I can move one button as a crutch because we always use one on my table but cant be bothered with those extras. Had an ape request them at one point, we subsequently called him little blind but then that got confusing cause he was actually the little blind at times and not others. Nickname was just not destined to work.

 

[Zema1111]

Ya I mean, and some people think the world is flat? This is a hard no for me

the world is flat..... and yes to a dealer button

 

[chippitydoodah]

2 decks
Shuffle ahead
No issues
Busted player becomes dealer....break out the button

 

[drdr]

I’ve been thinking about it. I have a smaller 8-person table that’s closer to a circle (as opposed to a long oval.) Prior to that I had an octagon. And we’re often playing 7 or 6 handed. And we’re usually good at working two decks, so one hand starts immediately after the previous hand ends. So everybody’s probably more engaged than they might normally be, at a 9-handed 9 foot oval. And when everybody’s engaged in the game, everybody knows their position.

I can appreciate what you’re saying. There have definitely been times where I’ve been really banged up and can’t remember what’s going on, and I look for a dealer button to save me. But I’m telling you, my game will typically go for half an orbit or more before somebody moves the button, and we’re no worse for it.

May work fine for a very poker aware group, I guess. My lot... nope.

 

[Labrat]

Better yet, get a dealer visor, too. That way there's absolutely no mistaking.

 

[ValueTown]

Must have. We use 2 decks. Plus, helps keep folks from acting out of turn. Once the hand ends, make it a habit to move the button.

 

[TheOffalo]

I do admit we often forget to move the button for a few hands, but it is definitely useful (and often used) to help determine position and action when people start getting distracted at the table. I would not play without one.

 

[Bacon Dad]

Three new 80mm dealer buttons arrived in the mail today. Hell Yes I’m using that button!!!!

 

[glynn]

Yeah, cause with 8 beginners on a Barrington, they're absolutely going to put the stub directly in front of them in orderly fashion instead of placing it next to the flop and getting into a conversation about dumb shit with the first to act player.

I serve you sarcasm right back! Look at the button, no inquiries needed.

You've imagined a player who is too stupid to keep the correct stub in front of him but is smart enough to keep the button in front of him.

You've imagined eight other players who are too stupid to know that the dealer is the one with the matching stub but are smart enough to know that the dealer is the one with the dealer button.

None of those players exist. People in this thread are basically telling OP that his experience is wrong here:

Usually we’re half way through the hole cards on the next hand before someone notices that the button didn’t get moved.

 

[RagingAZN]

Yes.

 

[SeanGecko]

What am I going to do with all of my cool custom dealer buttons if no? It's a yes from me.

 

[tabletalker7]

Am I the only one who uses the dealer button as a card guard for the stub so I can put it down and look at my cards?

 

[TheOffalo]

Am I the only one who uses the dealer button as a card guard for the stub so I can put it down and look at my cards?

I cap the stub with the button too all the time!