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What is the Allure of Leaded Chips?? (4 Viewers)
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Lil Tuna
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maxim_666666
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Lead was added to chips only to improve some colors and facilitate technological processes. Lead don't affect anything else. Well, maybe they add a little weight. It does not have any significant effect on the sound and feel of the chip. NO WAY!!! But the mold (or rather the depth of the hole in the center of the chip) has a profound effect! I once conducted an experiment with my Horseshoes... I chose from a set 10 pieces with small remnants of cross-hatching and 10 chips on which it remained and was clearly visible.... The difference in the height of the stack was 0.5 mm (per 10 chips) . That is, 0.05 mm per chip.. Almost negligible... But all my friends, whom I asked to listen to the sound of shuffling chips, said that they heard a certain difference and were able to distinguish them.
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I would disagree. All the members here who have gone to leaded THC and never looked back at RHC (pictured above) did so for reasons. I haven’t seen anyone prefer unleaded to leaded when given the choice.
ekricket
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It was common practice at the time for plastics. They weren’t looking for ways to make “the best feeling or sounding” chip. They were using materials that were commonly used, and adding things to make them more stable and cheaper to produce. Like rag pulp (fibers) for example, although I suspect they were using something a bit more common and free. Here’s the main reasons they used lead compounds at the time. Colors and stabilizer - to minimize shrinkage when the product cooled.
“An additional source of legacy Pb that has received less attention is historical plastic or plastic that has been recycled from historical plastic. Lead was commonly used in a range of plastics as a series of chromate pigments and in polyvinyl chloride as a heat and UV stabiliser”
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030438942032121X
maxim_666666
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Look at the tigers and princesses. People love unleaded THC! Even though they are very close in weight to CPC (especially without labels). And I ask myself, what does lead have to do with it?
For me, this story is just a joke. Do not misunderstand me. I like to play with my chips, but if you look at this story soberly, there is not a single clear evidence of the "usefulness" of lead for chips.
Lil Tuna
4 of a Kind
While I love my tigers...they are no match for vintage textured & shaped inlay leaded stuff.
And you forgot one major factor...wear
Leaded chips age much MUCH better then current formula in same conditions.
Ps. the reason why members love tigers & princesses is because of colors & spots + THC
Don't forget about leaded RHC's...while they are short in supply, they are imho the best bargains out there (and BCC chips
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NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
You're conflating variables. Just because people love something does not mean they love every part of it. Of course we can love unleaded THC, that doesnt mean we would prefer them to be so. Why do you think so many people want leaded chips? No one is arguing that we hate unleaded THC.
And we're a forum that spends thousands on gambling toys, 'usefulness' is very low in our priorities.
we should sticky this...
maxim_666666
Flush
You are absolutely right. But for me the mold, colors and label are more important than some ghostly lead. And I can't compare chips with and without lead, since they are all different. We're just talking about different chips. If there was a batch of vintage chips with lead and another batch produced at the same time, without lead...
Then I could compare them.
maxim_666666
Flush
I tried to find out by reading all the pages of this post, but I never found a single convincing reason...
I really love my Aztar set though. I don't know why...
I like bronze and aluminum flakes + ultraviolet in them better.
Leaded chips hold up better and most people prefer a heavy weight.
Lead was added to make the chips taste sweeter when you eat them. Alternative fact.
drdr
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I was also trying to work out why leaded was sought.I tried to find out by reading all the pages of this post, but I never found a single convincing reason...
I really love my Aztar set though. I don't know why...
I like bronze and aluminum flakes + ultraviolet in them better.
At first thought it was to avoid brass or other metals that can oxidize and discolour chips. But contra to this I expected lead was to be avoided due to toxicity. No one seems worried about that.
Found this thread quite educational. Didn't expect such strong lead link to quality.
Lil Tuna
4 of a Kind
Leaded quality! It’s the “Cat’s Ass” in chipping!
KarateMaster72
Flush
It has Brawndo that's what plants crave
FlushBlack
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Lunettesman
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Long thread here that I'm reviving with my 2 cents. I was very much into the chips game 15 years ago. I don't recall people talking about leaded vs non leaded back then.
After more than a decade of not purchasing chips I recently started to buy again. I didn't pay attention to the fact that some purchase were leaded and some not. I didn't even look into it.
After handling my new purchases, I pretty soon notice a difference. Some would feel more fragile, with a shuffling sound different and a different softness. I could describe it as a marshmallow vs a hard Loli pop.
Then I dug into it and found out that the marshmallow chips were all non leaded and the Lollipop were all leaded.
I'm not saying one is better than the other (yet), but I can guarantee I saw differences. The fact that I notice the difference before knowing what was the difference really make me feel there s something.
Now I will have to play with the non leaded more and see how I like them.
After more than a decade of not purchasing chips I recently started to buy again. I didn't pay attention to the fact that some purchase were leaded and some not. I didn't even look into it.
After handling my new purchases, I pretty soon notice a difference. Some would feel more fragile, with a shuffling sound different and a different softness. I could describe it as a marshmallow vs a hard Loli pop.
Then I dug into it and found out that the marshmallow chips were all non leaded and the Lollipop were all leaded.
I'm not saying one is better than the other (yet), but I can guarantee I saw differences. The fact that I notice the difference before knowing what was the difference really make me feel there s something.
Now I will have to play with the non leaded more and see how I like them.
Lunettesman
Pair
I should have mentioned that as for now, my favorite chips to shuffle are the mgm Detroit quarters and the 43mm St Charles.
jamesjkim
Flush
I like this analogy
I do too, except I think @Lunettesman got it backwards. I think most people who have an opinion on the leaded issue would agree that the contemporary unleaded Paulson clay is more brittle, like a lollipop. I wouldn’t say Paulson leaded clay is squishy like a marshmallow but I do think it’s softer.
Agreed. I was wondering as well if he didn't get his analogy reversed.
Lunettesman
Pair
Thanks for correcting my English. Totally agree they are more brittle.
This. I would give my left nut for leaded Tigers.
ssanel54
Flush
Are these the leaded chips you are comparing? Inlay and mold will probably make them feel very different as well.
Lunettesman
Pair
They feel leaded. The St Charles definitely. The mgm quarters are at least 15 years old so I assume it too. Not saying it's my favorite because they are leased, it's just the stacks I love to shuffle the most. Personal preference
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