What is the Allure of Leaded Chips?? (1 Viewer)

[ssanel54]

They feel leaded. The St Charles definitely. The mgm quarters are at least 15 years old so I assume it too. Not saying it's my favorite because they are leased, it's just the stacks I love to shuffle the most. Personal preference

They probably are. If it’s the MGM chips I’m thinking of they also have oversized inlays and house mold? Which would also make them feel different than something like a Tiger chip.

 

[Lunettesman]

They probably are. If it’s the MGM chips I’m thinking of they also have oversized inlays and house mold? Which would also make them feel different than something like a Tiger chip.

Yes exactly

 

[Roslindale]

It's been said before, I'll say it again..Taste

Leaded chips taste great!

 

[Johnblue]

because it guarantees vintage. Collectibility.

They do feel softer in the shuffle and they chip less and wear more evenly.

I have a 1967 ford f100 with a 390FE engine… in California that means no smog check, no emissions complications, no restrictions on modifications… it’s from before the time of government overreach.

Unleaded chips are nice too, but they feel “harder” to me, a bit more brittle, overall it’s negligible, but if given the option, I am going leaded every time… they are by nature more rare.

 

[upNdown]

And here’s a little discussed detail - color transfer. I’ve experienced it firsthand multiple times with unleaded Paulsons, but I’ve never noticed it with leaded Paulsons.

 

[ssanel54]

And here’s a little discussed detail - color transfer. I’ve experienced it firsthand multiple times with unleaded Paulsons, but I’ve never noticed it with leaded Paulsons.

I’m not sure how you are rationalizing this? If you put the leaded aspect aside and just say softer vs harder, one of those characteristics would be more likely to transfer their color while the other would be more likely to accept it. And textured inlays should be more susceptible than smooth.

In my experience leaded chips have been some of the worst in regards to color transfer, but I’m attributing that more to their colors and treatment than anything else.

 

[upNdown]

I’m not sure how you are rationalizing this? If you put the leaded aspect aside and just say softer vs harder, one of those characteristics would be more likely to transfer their color while the other would be more likely to accept it. And textured inlays should be more susceptible than smooth.

In my experience leaded chips have been some of the worst in regards to color transfer, but I’m attributing that more to their colors and treatment than anything else.

I’m not rationalizing it at all, I’m just saying what I’ve experienced. And it’s anecdotal experience, so it’s not conclusive. But I’ve noticed it with at least three different chips - all RHCs with a lighter base color and a darker colored edge spot. Shuffle shuffle shuffle, all of a sudden the base color is all dirty with transfer from the spot color.

Not sure why you mention the inlays; maybe we’re talking about two different things. I’ve seen inlays get messed up from casino rack checks, but I’ve never noticed any inlay pick up color transfer from normal playing/shuffling.

Like I said, I’ve never noticed significant color transfer with leaded chips. Maybe I just haven’t had leaded chips with the right colors. And though I believe unleaded is more susceptible than leaded, I don’t know why. Just different clay formulations behaving differently is my guess.

 

[upNdown]

I’m not sure how you are rationalizing this? If you put the leaded aspect aside and just say softer vs harder, one of those characteristics would be more likely to transfer their color while the other would be more likely to accept it. And textured inlays should be more susceptible than smooth.

In my experience leaded chips have been some of the worst in regards to color transfer, but I’m attributing that more to their colors and treatment than anything else.

FWIW, here was one experiment - this suggested that oiled chips transferred color more than unoiled chips. Again, nothing conclusive. And this experiment says nothing at all about leaded. But the reason I link is just to show the noticeable color transfer on unleaded Paulsons after only 1,000 shuffles.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/shuffling-color-transfer-experiment-not-oiled-vs-oiled.54907/

 

[ssanel54]

I’m not rationalizing it at all, I’m just saying what I’ve experienced. And it’s anecdotal experience, so it’s not conclusive. But I’ve noticed it with at least three different chips - all RHCs with a lighter base color and a darker colored edge spot. Shuffle shuffle shuffle, all of a sudden the base color is all dirty with transfer from the spot color.

Not sure why you mention the inlays; maybe we’re talking about two different things. I’ve seen inlays get messed up from casino rack checks, but I’ve never noticed any inlay pick up color transfer from normal playing/shuffling.

Like I said, I’ve never noticed significant color transfer with leaded chips. Maybe I just haven’t had leaded chips with the right colors. And though I believe unleaded is more susceptible than leaded, I don’t know why. Just different clay formulations behaving differently is my guess.

Yeah, I wasn’t sure what you were considering color transfer, and if things like rack checks are included. Some of the leaded sets that hit the market were pretty bad with transfer, but definitely more apparent with certain colors.

Grab a stack of Tropicana match play half pies and shuffle and you should see some clear evidence.

 

[Taghkanic]

Are all THCs over 10g presumed leaded?

Is there any way of definitely saying that Paulsons are leaded, without breaking off pieces and sending them to a lab?

My first “real” set was Paulson THC solids purchased off eBay about 8 years ago. It has four colors—white, red, dark green, black— with hotstamped monograms on one side and starbursts on the other. When I weigh barrels, they come out between 10.2g and 10.6g each, depending on color, whites being the lightest.

Not sure if their weight is enough of a tell, but I’m wondering if the monogram/starburst combo helps date them at all to before Paulson/GPI stopped making leaded chips.

Though “buttery” to shuffle they at the same time seem a little harder and more durable than other Paulsons I’ve owned.

Also these appear to be LCVs (Long Cane Versions), another possible clue.

Full disclosure: I’m contemplating selling these, despite their sentimental value, because the set isn't getting any more use since I did customs... But I don't want to claim they are leaded unless I’m sure. Would probably go with “possibly” leaded depending on responses.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

fwiw I’ve never come across a single starburst that I believed to not be leaded.

 

[ssanel54]

Are all THCs over 10g presumed leaded?

Is there any way of definitely saying that Paulsons are leaded, without breaking off pieces and sending them to a lab?

My first “real” set was Paulson THC solids purchased off eBay about 8 years ago. It has four colors—white, red, dark green, black— with hotstamped monograms on one side and starbursts on the other. When I weigh barrels, they come out between 10.2g and 10.6g each, depending on color, whites being the lightest.

Not sure if their weight is enough of a tell, but I’m wondering if the monogram/starburst combo helps date them at all to before Paulson/GPI stopped making leaded chips.

Though “buttery” to shuffle they at the same time seem a little harder and more durable than other Paulsons I’ve owned.

Also these appear to be LCVs (Long Cane Versions), another possible clue.

Full disclosure: I’m contemplating selling these, despite their sentimental value, because the set isn't getting any more use since I did customs... But I don't want to claim they are leaded unless I’m sure. Would probably go with “possibly” leaded depending on responses.

You might be too focused on the lead and neglecting the fact that they may not be Paulson. As described, I’d guess Christy&Jones

 

[upNdown]

Are all THCs over 10g presumed leaded?

Is there any way of definitely saying that Paulsons are leaded, without breaking off pieces and sending them to a lab?

My first “real” set was Paulson THC solids purchased off eBay about 8 years ago. It has four colors—white, red, dark green, black— with hotstamped monograms on one side and starbursts on the other. When I weigh barrels, they come out between 10.2g and 10.6g each, depending on color, whites being the lightest.

Not sure if their weight is enough of a tell, but I’m wondering if the monogram/starburst combo helps date them at all to before Paulson/GPI stopped making leaded chips.

Though “buttery” to shuffle they at the same time seem a little harder and more durable than other Paulsons I’ve owned.

Also these appear to be LCVs (Long Cane Versions), another possible clue.

Full disclosure: I’m contemplating selling these, despite their sentimental value, because the set isn't getting any more use since I did customs... But I don't want to claim they are leaded unless I’m sure. Would probably go with “possibly” leaded depending on responses.

They sell lead testing kits on amazon. I know @jpietrella has posted some results of lead testing, though I'm not sure if it was amazon testers and I have no idea how accurate they are. But if I really needed to know, that's what I'd try,

 

[RocAFella1]

Tinas > lead

 

[Cratty]

Tinas > lead

Just wait until we start our collective quest for leaded Tinas. Tina don't care.

 

[allforcharity]

Are all THCs over 10g presumed leaded?

Is there any way of definitely saying that Paulsons are leaded, without breaking off pieces and sending them to a lab?

My first “real” set was Paulson THC solids purchased off eBay about 8 years ago. It has four colors—white, red, dark green, black— with hotstamped monograms on one side and starbursts on the other. When I weigh barrels, they come out between 10.2g and 10.6g each, depending on color, whites being the lightest.

Not sure if their weight is enough of a tell, but I’m wondering if the monogram/starburst combo helps date them at all to before Paulson/GPI stopped making leaded chips.

Though “buttery” to shuffle they at the same time seem a little harder and more durable than other Paulsons I’ve owned.

Also these appear to be LCVs (Long Cane Versions), another possible clue.

Full disclosure: I’m contemplating selling these, despite their sentimental value, because the set isn't getting any more use since I did customs... But I don't want to claim they are leaded unless I’m sure. Would probably go with “possibly” leaded depending on responses.

You can't go by weight alone. Plenty of older leaded chips, particularly green shades, weigh less than 10g each. Since these are primarily inorganics/minerals which are used for colour, the weight depending on their density can vary.considerably. I think that's one of the reason they used so much lead in the first place - to give more uniformity to the weight between chips of different base colours.

You might be too focused on the lead and neglecting the fact that they may not be Paulson. As described, I’d guess Christy&Jones

They aren't C&J as they never had access to the Starburst cancelation stamp.