Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (6 Viewers)

[MatB]

Ivey is a Marquee name and would definitely bring in a lot of people to watch the livestream. Id bet he and Dwan got paid a chunk of change to be there.

In my only defense for Iveys lack of enthusiasm, he did seem pretty card dead.
But still he mucked his cards like an ass. Helicoptered them way too high ( they flipped at least once because of it) , but who would keep the GOAT in check?

Poker is a great equalizer, but I think he thinks he's above it.

 

[CrazyEddie]

brb, gonna go make a deal with WPT to get Phil Ivey to come to my kid's birthday party

 

[Senzrock]

I would have to believe Phil got paid for his appearance or that it filled some contractual obligation for appearances. I’ve watched all of Krish’s streams and some others. This was the first time they’ve been “sponsored” by the WPT and the logo is even on the screenshot. So I’m guessing they pitched in or made him do it. Bars and clubs pay VIP’s to be seen there, I’m sure poker world is no different.
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Before the recent heads up championship, I don't think Phil has played a serious WPT event in over half a decade - I just don't see the connection beyond hearsay. WPT was brought in because it was a promo opportunity to them that got pitched I'm sure once this lineup was in formation. Poker players generally are not paid to appear on streams, it's just not something that is done. If anyone has evidence of this ever happening I would love to see it! (specifically for streamed cash games, not for like a PokerGo Heads Up challenge or something).

 

[jja412]

They did thank the WPT several times (and I think at least once for for helping get Ivey and Durr to participate.)

 

[superchromix]

Why was the sound so awful in the stream? Just for comparison I fired up an old episode of High Stakes Poker and the sound quality was sooo much better then. You could actually hear the players.

 

[CrazyEddie]

I mean, on the one hand, there's no rule that says just because you're good at playing poker that you have to bark like a trained seal on camera for the public's entertainment. So it's not like Ivey owed anybody a performance.

But on the other hand... if you're a celebrity, and people are making a big deal about you showing up somewhere... wouldn't you want to, you know, look like you actually showed up happy to be there instead of punching a time clock?

 

[cpiaaq]

Before the recent heads up championship, I don't think Phil has played a serious WPT event in over half a decade - I just don't see the connection beyond hearsay. WPT was brought in because it was a promo opportunity to them that got pitched I'm sure once this lineup was in formation. Poker players generally are not paid to appear on streams, it's just not something that is done. If anyone has evidence of this ever happening I would love to see it! (specifically for streamed cash games, not for like a PokerGo Heads Up challenge or something).

I don’t know if it counts, but the producers of high stakes poker talked about how they paid the players. They said it was important to managing the players, putting the producers in a position of control they wouldn’t otherwise have.

I don’t have a link for you though.

 

[Senzrock]

I mean, on the one hand, there's no rule that says just because you're good at playing poker that you have to bark like a trained seal on camera for the public's entertainment. So it's not like Ivey owed anybody a performance.

But on the other hand... if you're a celebrity, and people are making a big deal about you showing up somewhere... wouldn't you want to, you know, look like you actually showed up happy to be there instead of punching a time clock?

Yeah it is odd. Ivey has never seemed to care much about his "brand" - he's always kind of been above it all. Part of the mystique I suppose. I agree that since he did come on the show, he should at least try to have a good time. As you point out though, he technically doesn't owe the fans anything, even if it would be nice.

 

[Kain8]

I don’t know if it counts, but the producers of high stakes poker talked about how they paid the players. They said it was important to managing the players, putting the producers in a position of control they wouldn’t otherwise have.

I don’t have a link for you though.

I remember reading about that but the fee was VERY small compared to the stakes played. Like they "only" got $1,000 / hour or somewhere around there.

 

[Senzrock]

I don’t know if it counts, but the producers of high stakes poker talked about how they paid the players. They said it was important to managing the players, putting the producers in a position of control they wouldn’t otherwise have.

I don’t have a link for you though.

The new or old productions? I can see it maybe for the original show, since there was so much money in the poker economy post-2003 boom. That money dried up real quick in 2011. Players definitely get transportation and food and make special requests, but paid to be on a Hustler stream? I would have to really see some evidence. Not that important I guess in the long run.

 

[cpiaaq]

The new or old productions? I can see it maybe for the original show, since there was so much money in the poker economy post-2003 boom. That money dried up real quick in 2011. Players definitely get transportation and food and make special requests, but paid to be on a Hustler stream? I would have to really see some evidence. Not that important I guess in the long run.

They were discussing the old/original production. I'll spend a few minutes looking, hopefully I can find it.

 

[cpiaaq]

This might be what I was remembering, Tom Dwan discusses it here:
https://highstakesdb.com/news/high-...nu-paid-10k-per-day-to-film-high-stakes-poker
I don't have a timestamp but the quote in the article is: "“So, High Stakes Poker I actually like, really liked..” he said. “High Stakes Poker did this one thing… they would pay, I think it was like $10k or something, per-day that you filmed” he continued."

 

[Senzrock]

This might be what I was remembering, Tom Dwan discusses it here:
https://highstakesdb.com/news/high-...nu-paid-10k-per-day-to-film-high-stakes-poker
I don't have a timestamp but the quote in the article is: "“So, High Stakes Poker I actually like, really liked..” he said. “High Stakes Poker did this one thing… they would pay, I think it was like $10k or something, per-day that you filmed” he continued."

Interesting - thanks!

 

[shorticus]

I’m not sure what we were expecting. Phil came, played poker, and was super quiet. Has that ever not been who Ivey is? Then before the stream you take his phone while and he has a huge bet that he’s trying to keep up with. Not sure what more we expected. Lol

 

[inca911]

From my limited research, Lucky pled guilty in July2019 to four counts of felony theft, paid restitution, wrote apology letters, all while going through the loss of his brother to homicide during this period (while raising at least one son who imitated his dad during house arrest by putting a watch on his ankle). I'm not vouching for the dude, but it's not like this was some unprosecuted convict at the table....

 

[davislane]

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/10/tom-dwan-phil-ivey-hustler-casino-40117.htm

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@Windwalker makes the WTF Hand of the Day mention at the end of the article

to be fair it wasn't even the real WTF hand of the show. the Q8 explosion was.

In all fairness we have all punted at one stage or another in our poker lifetime. I know I have plenty of times. Sometimes you just need to grab your nuts and YOLO it. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. Just make sure when you do rip it in that you have outs and not drawing stone dead. I was rooting for runner runner quads or runner runner boat. I love witnessing a decent bad beat!

 

[Anthony Martino]

I love witnessing a decent bad beat!

You should follow me around at the poker tables then

 

[TheDuke]

Curious, anyone gone thru all the Hustler videos to do a +/- $$ tally for each player?

Sounds like they keep playing on after the streams, but it would be interesting to see how everyone has done during the streams.

 

[utgtrash]

SPOILER

Spoiler: BIG HAND QUESTION

- anyone have the time mark of that big hero berkey makes? like 75k on the river?

 

[Thisfiendis138]

This gave me a chuckle
Perhaps we’re one acid flashback short of a trip down Memory Lane to confirm?

Btw, op said he was kidding about Krish, but “sincerely believe it to be true”

 

[raynmanas]

he turned out to be a high stakes gambler

for now, at least. how old is he?

 

[Stufflymcstuff]

As a crypto lover and holder since it was $400 a coin (and on bovado poker) I’d wager no one at this table but Dylan had ever considered it. Just my guess and if I could I wager on it I would. Pack boys have a certain type, lingo, and vibe. Mick stinks of 15k kilos sold for 30k by the 10 pack and I’m not even going to get into his sniffing strait from the get. Lol Dream/game minus the two cards comes to mind. If it weren’t for massive egos (YouTube clout) and easy money IMO this line up would of never seen a second of play in a non set up environment. This was 100% fabricated. Don’t believe me? Vegas tables and the commerce tonight tell a whole nother story. Nit central. It’s like they scoured the world for the big egotistical fish fry and called the goats. One guy even went mid game to the laker game and gets kicked out on TV. Lol Appetizers anyone? Hand selected for your personal taste Tom, enjoy u lucky UGLY A$$ MOFO.


I heard someone mention this earlier but they got it backwards. The PROS paid to be there.

Is commerce really that bad? Everything I’ve heard over the years made it sound way better than Vegas for grinding (at least for non nose bleeds).

 

[SpaceMonkey420]

Is commerce really that bad? Everything I’ve heard over the years made it sound way better than Vegas for grinding (at least for non nose bleeds).

I can’t remember the last losing session I’ve had there. The hold em is often very juicy but the PLO can be nitty. There are so many tables, and so central LA it’s always changing. I’ve stayed there and seen different faces for a week strait. It’s my favorite LA poker spot by farrrrrrr. Location location location.

 

[Changster]

I do this a lot too when I have to go.

 

[cpac54]

I do this a lot too when I have to go.

Ugh, even knowing what's coming, it still hurts to watch that sequence.

 

[Changster]

Ugh, even knowing what's coming, it still hurts to watch that sequence.

Yeah man… it’s ok, Krish will get them back!

 

[Anthony Martino]

I do this a lot too when I have to go.

Now he's guaranteed invites for life and can spring the trap and start playing like Garret.

 

[Mike mac]

i just miss poker after dark.... this ( aside form krish playing in it ) just missed the mark for me.

 

[detroitdad]

i just miss poker after dark.... this ( aside form krish playing in it ) just missed the mark for me.

High Stakes poker was my go to poker viewing. I still occasionally re watch it when I can find it.

 

[Highli99]

Now he's guaranteed invites for life and can spring the trap and start playing like Garret.

I think you’re kidding here but I think it’s better to say “mistakes were made” and learn from them then to try and spin a punt as advertising. Every one of us on this forum has made similar mistakes, maybe not of this size in real dollars but certainly in terms of BBs.

The idea of this setting up value is possible but not realistic. How does that go exactly? As an opponent contemplates calling a future all-in bet we made for value, should we remind them about this punt? “Reza, as you consider calling I invite you to recall my queen high bluff into double nutter butters”