Your take on calling and raising blind? (2 Viewers)

[grantc54]

I wouldn't do this but I never trust anything anyone says at the poker table and would not be super upset if someone did it to me. I would just file it away and maybe do the same thing to said player if the opportunity ever arose (and we wete headsup).

 

[Jimulacrum]

I wouldn't do this but I never trust anything anyone says at the poker table and would not be super upset if someone did it to me. I would just file it away and maybe do the same thing to said player if the opportunity ever arose (and we wete headsup).

The first time I played at my friend's house, he hit quads against me and slow-rolled it as "two pair, eights and eights." It's just a shtick he does, I guess, only with quads.

I held onto that energy for like 3 years until I beat him out of a pot with quads, and I slow-rolled his ass in the exact same way.

 

[ChipFinderSK]

The first time I played at my friend's house, he hit quads against me and slow-rolled it as "two pair, eights and eights." It's just a shtick he does, I guess, only with quads.

I held onto that energy for like 3 years until I beat him out of a pot with quads, and I slow-rolled his ass in the exact same way.

I owe @k9dr one of these

 

[chippitydoodah]

I said earlier that I had another take on this, sort of an ulterior motive to posting this poll. So here we go.

This question is directed at the 12 people (at this time) who elected to vote straight up yes, that they would lie about having looked at their hand, even though they told the table that they did not look.

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One of my interests in this is because I plan on playing in quite a few upcoming PCF meetups. Playing poker in a fun, social, home game type atmosphere, against people I have met here online, but don't really know. I would sorta like to know ahead of time whether the take that @Jimulacrum and others here have is prevalent within PCF, or not. I’ve been to a few meetups, and I know they can get gambly. Much crazier things than playing hands blind have happened. So I can see playing hands blind happening during a meetup, and I'd like to know ahead of time if I'm going to be taken advantage of when it does happen.

So to you 12, why did you pick the unconditional Yes, and not the last option, yes I'd do it in a casino against strangers, but not in a home game against friends. Because I would put a PCF meetup in a similar category as a home game with friends. And based on this small sample size, it looks like it's possible that 30% of the people I sit down with at a PCF meetup, might be willing lie about not looking at their hand when claiming that they didn't. Is that a fair assumption?

Having been to a meet-up I can say I'd definitely see this happening. The drinks are flying. The players are happy. Things are loose. Guys are busting each other's balls. It's a crazy environment and who really cares. Someone claims they didn't look and raise then its up to me to decipher their intent regardless of if I believe them or not. It's a ploy. A tactic. No different than a check raise or bet in the dark. Anyway, those are my reasoning on why I voted the way I did. Ultimately it's up to yourself and not to put blame on the other for being "ethical". Would it be shitty to lose the way Helmuth lost to Tony G? Yup. But I'd think I'd take in stride and laugh at my own gullibility and not be butt hurt.

 

[louBdub]

My games example:

A player says he will ship it blind first hand…

I say fuck it, I’ll call blind…. I like degen shit.

Third player, I’ll call blind if y’all really do it…

First player, All in, blind, doesn’t touch cards.

I Snap call blind as well, because I said I would…

Third player….. Decides to look at cards before calling. He calls….

We called the 3rd player all sorts of bitch ass fuck ass lil hoe ass names for the peek before the call……. And laughed.

I won the hand. Fuck it. Had fun.

Remember that hand @69Nova

 

[chippitydoodah]

Tony G was right.....poker is lying. It's misrepresenting.

My games example:

A player says he will ship it blind first hand…

I say fuck it, I’ll call blind…. I like degen shit.

Third player, I’ll call blind if y’all really do it…

First player, All in, blind, doesn’t touch cards.

I Snap call blind as well, because I said I would…

Third player….. Decides to look at cards before calling. He calls….

We called the 3rd player all sorts of bitch ass fuck ass lil hoe ass names for the peek before the call……. And laughed.

I won the hand. Fuck it. Had fun.

Remember that hand @69Nova

Third player was a Lil bitch and I'm glad you won. He broke an agreement which is different than this situation.

 

[louBdub]

“Oh fuck, I thought I had rockets…. It’s A/4o!!!”

if you believe me, and I win…………. Did I lie? Or did I play poker?

Hint: Every. Single. Thing. You. Say. At. A. Poker. Table. Is. A. Lie. That’s. Poker.

 

[louBdub]

Tony G was right.....poker is lying. It's misrepresenting.

Third player was a Lil bitch and I'm glad you won. He broke an agreement which is different than this situation.

True. He did in fact break a verbal binding man law…. He was labeled for it all day long with words that would get me banned/reported if I typed them

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I lean towards home game honesty with things like this...its friendly and there should be some integrity amongst friends. In a casino I'm not trusting anyone at the table, other than the dealer, and I'm treating him with a hefty dose of skepticism.

But, the question really should be why would you ever want to call or raise blindly? The obvious answer is your basically a degenerate gambler. Blindly putting money in, except when it's a forced blind, isn't smart. I'm sure there will be those that want to pop off about how they won this amount by raising blind, or, tell us about how they always seem to hit when they call blind, but, all you did was get lucky. Might as well be putting your money in a slot machine because it's not PLAYING poker. It's just degenerate antics.

I've edited to state that I'm ok with a blind runoff for extra chips, etc.

Maybe you want to cultivate an image when deep down at heart you’re a nit, but don’t want others to realize it, so once in a very long while you’ll play a hand blind.

 

[Nymor]

Pretty poor form in a home game to say you'll playing blind but have looked. Looking before straddling is just straight-up cheating.

Also playing blind requires advanced poker skillage

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Pretty poor form in a home game to say you'll playing blind but have looked. Looking before straddling is just straight-up cheating.

Also playing blind requires advanced poker skillage

That's one of those "no one would believe it if they hadn't seen it" stories. NH.

 

[l33tf0b]

The question about being able to see hole cards because player doesn’t protect his hand properly … same or different? Most of us would say something at a home game. How about casino? I’m not leaning over to see your cards but u not protecting and flashing your cards — am I responsible to say something?

They say poker is a a game of edge … if you’re playing by the rules - all is game. Angling is a dixk move and definitely should have warnings. In terms of lying about one’s hand - I think it’s normal speech play. I think someone here stated if they ask I don’t need to answer or I don’t need to be honest about it? That Phil h and Tony g was quite entertaining. Is it good etiquette? Probably not ….

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

The question about being able to see hole cards because player doesn’t protect his hand properly … same or different? Most of us would say something at a home game. How about casino? I’m not leaning over to see your cards but u not protecting and flashing your cards — am I responsible to say something?

They say poker is a a game of edge … if you’re playing by the rules - all is game. Angling is a dixk move and definitely should have warnings. In terms of lying about one’s hand - I think it’s normal speech play. I think someone here stated if they ask I don’t need to answer or I don’t need to be honest about it? That Phil h and Tony g was quite entertaining. Is it good etiquette? Probably not ….

If I see someone's cards, I will tell them once, maybe twice. Friend, foe or stranger.

 

[upNdown]

The question about being able to see hole cards because player doesn’t protect his hand properly … same or different? Most of us would say something at a home game. How about casino? I’m not leaning over to see your cards but u not protecting and flashing your cards — am I responsible to say something?

They say poker is a a game of edge … if you’re playing by the rules - all is game. Angling is a dixk move and definitely should have warnings. In terms of lying about one’s hand - I think it’s normal speech play. I think someone here stated if they ask I don’t need to answer or I don’t need to be honest about it? That Phil h and Tony g was quite entertaining. Is it good etiquette? Probably not ….

When you see somebody else's cards, you've got additional information - that's an unfair advantage over the entire table. That's a problem.

 

[bergs]

I occasionally play an entire hand blind at low stakes casino limit and I get a lot of people limping and checking - I’ve always wondered why, and how I’m curious if they heard me say I haven’t looked yet but assume I had.

Anyway, at a home game I put it on a different level from saying they have a certain card or hand. For some reason with me, representing a hand is one thing but falsely representing an action you took is sorta not friendly.

It’s like you draw 2 and someone asks “how many did you take?” and you tell them you were pat. Ok, not cheating, but just disenengous enough that I wouldn’t be relaxed playing with them, and part of a home game is a degree of relaxation and friendly competition vs the casino.

 

[k9dr]

I owe @k9dr one of these

 

[ChipFinderSK]

As my friend @Chawks45 would say (and which you might appreciate), the North remembers

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I occasionally play an entire hand blind at low stakes casino limit and I get a lot of people limping and checking - I’ve always wondered why, and how I’m curious if they heard me say I haven’t looked yet but assume I had.

Anyway, at a home game I put it on a different level from saying they have a certain card or hand. For some reason with me, representing a hand is one thing but falsely representing an action you took is sorta not friendly.

It’s like you draw 2 and someone asks “how many did you take?” and you tell them you were pat. Ok, not cheating, but just disenengous enough that I wouldn’t be relaxed playing with them, and part of a home game is a degree of relaxation and friendly competition vs the casino.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. It tells me something about the character of the person that I'm playing with.

 

[k9dr]

As my friend @Chawks45 would say (and which you might appreciate), the North remembers

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[JustinInMN]

Well, I guess, thank you for opening my eyes. I'll now be more careful regarding this situation outside of games played with trusted friends. Maybe I'm just too naive, but I definitely put this in the same category with angle shooting, which is effectively what it is. I guess you think other forms of angle shooting are okay too?

I tend to agree with you, it has the feel of being scummy. That said, HUGE CAVEAT HERE, whether or not your opponents have looked at their cards is not information to which a player is entitled other than from one's own direct observation. If you ask the question, I think you have to take any information with a grain of salt.

I probably have a higher opinion of players that refuse to say than those that will attempt an angle. That's my personal opinion that I concede isn't rooted in rules.

 

[JustinInMN]

I personally don't engage in speech play. Not because I think its cunty, but because I think it gives away too much information to good players. People think they are being clever but really they are telling experienced players what they have. Doing this well and balanced and REALLY HARD.

Very perceptive. I think I have gained more by listening to people engage in speech play than I've lost.