5-card PLO high turn spot (1 Viewer)

[onerand]

1-2 game with $5 bring in. 8 handed. $700 max buy-in. High only. Late in the night. I am tired but both villains have been playing for more than a day.

V1 is UTG on $1k. He is in 90% of the pots and stuck over $5k. Overplays hands post flop and can't fold now, but takes passive lines at times.

V2 is next to act on $3.5k. Got lucky in several huge multiway pots. Loose aggressive but nothing crazy at this point. He is the big winner.

Hero is in the BB with $900. Compared to the table playing tight, although loose in position. If anyone is paying attention. Up for the night.

V1 limps for 5, V2 raises to 20. Someone calls and hero calls with AQJTd8d.

Flop is 9 7 2 with two spades and a diamond. Checked to V2 who bets 80. Only hero and V1 call. Hero has no spades.

Turn is 9 7 2 6, with two spades and two diamonds. Pot is $340. Action? We have $800 left.

 

[Ben]

Check-jamming is clearly the optimal result (much better than leading,) but a check-through would be horrifically bad. So the real question is, how likely is V2 to bet flop and then shut down on this turn? Certainly it's a better card for the callers than the bettor, but does he care?

With no history myself, and the guy who "takes passive lines" who could also check the nuts here, I probably just pot it.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Hero wants to get his stack in now. Like @Ben said, check raise is the best hope of doing it, but I agree too that the risk of it checking through is too strong. I would bet pot now.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Lead for pot. If no one else has a straight, it's unlikely you'll see V1 or V2 make a big bet for you to check-raise anyway. If someone else does have a straight, you're likely to get it all-in here and be freerolling (although the two spades would concern me).

Taking down the pot at its current size wouldn't be terrible either. It's not like a ten-high straight with a ten-high flush draw is a cinch.

 

[onerand]

I should add I was certain V1 was drawing. He would have donked 2 pair or better. What he is drawing to is wide open, could be as weak as naked 86 or some spades. There is no way he is checking a turned straight.

Jim, we will have the best straight regardless of what comes on river, but that doesn't matter really.

 

[Ben]

Jim, we will have the best straight regardless of what comes on river, but that doesn't matter really.

It matters a lot, because it makes our "freeroll" better against hands like straight+2pair, or straight+spades. If all we had here were Td8d and three irrelevant cards (432 for instance,) we would NOT want to get it all in.

 

[Ben]

Actually I've been reading this hand wrong - I thought that the Q was relevant to give us the super-nuts on one of the possible river cards, but it isn't - all someone has to have is JT8 and we can't "over-nut" them on a straight. Given that, I think our chances of being able to get in $800 on a significant freeroll are quite a bit lessened (if someone has JT8 with spades, or higher diamonds, we are not an equity favorite,) and we shouldn't necessarily be looking to shovel money in the pot. I'd still bet here (definitely lead vs. C/R now) and do it for less (about $225) - we still have to call off now, but can get away if called on a shitty river.

 

[Adam Crowley]

@Ben advice covers everything I would say about turn play.

I have never played 5card PLO, but I am wondering if this is not a good spot to 3bet pre.

 

[Ben]

@BenI have never played 5card PLO, but I am wondering if this is not a good spot to 3bet pre.

Definitely not. If the ace wasn't suited, it's almost a fold pre - this game is that stupid (not a big fan of 5-card high-only.)

 

[upNdown]

Definitely not. If the ace wasn't suited, it's almost a fold pre - this game is that stupid (not a big fan of 5-card high-only.)

So I've never played 5 card Omaha, but I have to think that straights aren't winning very often at showdown.
My guess would be you need to bet the pot here to have a chance at winning, but I'm not sure I want to do that.

 

[courage]

So I've never played 5 card Omaha, but I have to think that straights aren't winning very often at showdown.
My guess would be you need to bet the pot here to have a chance at winning, but I'm not sure I want to do that.

Then you might be at the wrong table

Straights win plenty in 5 Card Omaha, and it's a game of stacks.

Against these villains as described I'd lead for pot with my nut straight + redraws and take my chances. If they have a set, 2 pair, or flush draw you're getting called.

 

[onerand]

Thanks for the replies. I agree with leading the turn. A substantial bet of 300 or so. Ben, I like your smaller bet option if in position. Plan to jam non-pairing diamond.

I got blinded by the extra flush outs and fancy checked. V1 checked, V2 potted, I jammed. V1 agonized and folded nut spades. V2 snapped with 99Js8sX. Operation worked, but the patient died.

As to three betting, hands run even closer in 5 card, so I prefer to see a flop with more money behind. With a suited ace or double suited, this hand is an ok three bet, but with a guaranteed multiway pot out of position, I prefer not to. Shorthanded and in position, things change.