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[jbutler]

Here's my take (not that I need to justify myself):

You have a person who veers away from poker (according to the OP), and decides to liquidate his massive hoard of chips (we're are all very excited at this). Then you have the OP who graciously agrees to assist with selling these chips to the fine folks here on PCF. OP's plan (from my understanding), is to list these chips in lots/groups to help sell off the owner's chips. Some of these lots have already sold.

This is a for-sale classified. This in no way resembles any group buy I have ever seen, and very much resembles most classified ads I've seen (even for massive sets/collections)..

As stated already by myself and Tommy, a group buy typically involves a group of individuals working together to purchase a bunch of X, using mass buying power or just organizing an order to meet minimums from various vendors. Generally, the community has input into how the purchase progresses. There have been many examples of people selling off chip collections, and they never called it a "group buy". People just call it a classified ad. It's like the argument of porn vs art... You just know porn when you see it.

Once the thread is moved (by me), the OP argues that there's a cool factor associated with the GB subforum, and wanted his listing posted there. There are several arguments made why this should happen... such as that unless all of the sets are spoken for, none of the sets will sell (is this really the case), Do those who have purchased sets already have some contingency that these sets are not actually up for sale unless all the remaining sets in the entire collection also sell? There is also the argument that everyone has now saved 25% off these chips because of this massive buying power of the group? 25% off what? Not for me to say. I do know the OP has graciously stepped up to make this sale happen, and that many in the community are grateful.

Despite these arguments, this sale just "feels" like a classified ad to me, and Tommy has posted like-wise as well. When someone reported the thread, indicated it probably belonged in the classifieds, I looked at it and agreed. Thread moved, not a big deal. Not sure why it is a big deal? There was no subversive plot to undermine the sale, or to dredge up some old overly-hashed out GB vs. WTS arguments from some old thread. However, there just might be black helicopters circling your house right now...? (ha, made you stop and listen for a sec).

If you still have questions about staff actions, please refer to the TERMS OF SERVICE

If you are genuinely concerned about defining a GB or want clarification, I'd suggest a PM to Tommy (and not arguing with site staff in a thread). I'd also like an explanation of why it's so important to have this listed as a GB? Is there some status or benefit in this?

I'm genuine scratching my head trying to figure out what the big deal is all about. Like I said, threads get moved around all the time. Sounds like there were some pre-existing GB vs WTS issued harbored in the community.

All of this unnecessarily ponderous bullshit when you could simply say what qualifies as a group buy.

You don't understand the rules you're enforcing and when someone points it out, the onus is somehow on them to explain to you the problem. Which is impossible since you refuse to provide the rules you pretend to enforce. If the rules of this forum are based on your "feelings" then just say so. Otherwise don't pretend like you're just objectively rendering a decision based on definitions you don't know.

For exactly the reasons previously given and succinctly synopsized by @Gear above, this is clearly a GB under any rational definition.

 

[Trihonda]

I wasn't going to weigh in, but I think this is all just a big misunderstanding. On the surface it looks like a very large sale, or a number of large sales, which like any other sales belongs in the Classified as a WTS ad.

But what's becoming clear (and was definitely not clear to start with) is that NCD is apparently selling these chips at reduced rates if and only if he can sell them all at once. So H|Q is working with him to come to a price, then posting here to say OK, we need 'x' buyers at 'y' dollars each to make this happen -- otherwise, no deal, or "full retail" prices. THAT sounds like a group buy to me.

I agree, that sounds much more like a group buy. However, this was certainly not made clear. Do the people that committed to buying the certain sets understand their deals are contingent on ALL the chips selling?

 

[ssanel54]

Here's my take (not that I need to justify myself):

You have a person who veers away from poker (according to the OP), and decides to liquidate his massive hoard of chips (we're are all very excited at this). Then you have the OP who graciously agrees to assist with selling these chips to the fine folks here on PCF. OP's plan (from my understanding), is to list these chips in lots/groups to help sell off the owner's chips. Some of these lots have already sold.

This is a for-sale classified. This in no way resembles any group buy I have ever seen, and very much resembles most classified ads I've seen (even for massive sets/collections)..

As stated already by myself and Tommy, a group buy typically involves a group of individuals working together to purchase a bunch of X, using mass buying power or just organizing an order to meet minimums from various vendors. Generally, the community has input into how the purchase progresses. There have been many examples of people selling off chip collections, and they never called it a "group buy". People just call it a classified ad. It's like the argument of porn vs art... You just know porn when you see it.

Once the thread is moved (by me), the OP argues that there's a cool factor associated with the GB subforum, and wanted his listing posted there. There are several arguments made why this should happen... such as that unless all of the sets are spoken for, none of the sets will sell (is this really the case), Do those who have purchased sets already have some contingency that these sets are not actually up for sale unless all the remaining sets in the entire collection also sell? There is also the argument that everyone has now saved 25% off these chips because of this massive buying power of the group? 25% off what? Not for me to say. I do know the OP has graciously stepped up to make this sale happen, and that many in the community are grateful.

Despite these arguments, this sale just "feels" like a classified ad to me, and Tommy has posted like-wise as well. When someone reported the thread, indicated it probably belonged in the classifieds, I looked at it and agreed. Thread moved, not a big deal. Not sure why it is a big deal? There was no subversive plot to undermine the sale, or to dredge up some old overly-hashed out GB vs. WTS arguments from some old thread. However, there just might be black helicopters circling your house right now...? (ha, made you stop and listen for a sec).

If you still have questions about staff actions, please refer to the TERMS OF SERVICE

If you are genuinely concerned about defining a GB or want clarification, I'd suggest a PM to Tommy (and not arguing with site staff in a thread). I'd also like an explanation of why it's so important to have this listed as a GB? Is there some status or benefit in this?

I'm genuine scratching my head trying to figure out what the big deal is all about. Like I said, threads get moved around all the time. Sounds like there were some pre-existing GB vs WTS issued harbored in the community.

I do think theres probably a hangover effect coming over from CT, where there seemed to be a lot of stupid rules in place to define everything. Group buys needed meet certain criteria, meet ups were defined by rigid rules, WTB and WTS cost credits etc.

Over here it was refreshing that none of that nonsense exited. I think on occasion people want to re establish some of the archaic thinking that existed over on Blue, just because thats all they know. Does it really matter if this is called a WTS or a GB, probably not, especially if the community is getting great chips at a great price. My assumption is that someones feathers were probably ruffled about the way HQ was running this, and that they felt they were somehow getting slighted in the process, so they filed a complaint to the mods. Where I think most of the arguments are coming from is that you were quick to say this is not a group buy, when in fact there is no real definition of a group buy.

 

[Gear]

Do the people that committed to buying the certain sets understand their deals are contingent on ALL the chips selling?

If indeed that is the case, which it might not be. I'm just posting my impression of what seems to be going on. (read: guessing)

 

[bentax1978]

If indeed that is the case, which it might not be. I'm just posting my impression of what seems to be going on. (read: guessing)

My understanding (and I could be mistaken) is that all the chips in a given thread must be sold before they're officially considered sold. In other words, in the context of this thread, there are 8 lots chips for sale in this thread (plus the tournament chips), and all 8 must be spoken for before any of the sales go through.

 

[Trihonda]

My understanding (and I could be mistaken) is that all the chips in a given thread must be sold before they're officially considered sold. In other words, in the context of this thread, there are 8 lots chips for sale in this thread (plus the tournament chips), and all 8 must be spoken for before any of the sales go through.

Very similar to "I'm selling a huge set, willing to split (so long as all chips are spoken for)." ?

 

[Stylin]

Again I'd like to express my and hopefully your interest in keeping this thread on the titled topic.

 

[ssanel54]

Very similar to "I'm selling a huge set, willing to split (so long as all chips are spoken for)." ?

And the response to these ads are always "group buy for so and so's chips"

 

[bergs]

Jesus fucking Christ. Why isn't the definition so fucking childishly simple that everyone can understand it? There didn't need to be an entire separate thread on defining this. I posted in that thread that the GB definition was going to turn into a clusterfuck, and lo and behold, here we are. This is a case of internet people getting together and trying to make something more difficult than it needs to be so they can say 'OMG, Solved!'

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A group buy is when you need more than 1 buyer for what you are selling (seller's initiative) -OR- a group is getting together to order something with more purchasing power (buyer's initiative). Anything else is a WTS.
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Trihonda, all due respect, your job as moderator is keep the fucking train on the tracks and make things simple and effective. Everything runs smoother when the mods have that mindset. Creating complexity for complexities sake is fantastically stupid.

In regards to this debacle - Harley posted a GB thread. Trihonda moved it. If Harley can prove to Trihonda that he needs multiple (many) buyers to move Danny's massive sets, then it should be a GB. If Harley is like "Yeah, I'm selling these for Danny and if some don't go, they don't go", then it's a WTS.

 

[H|Q]

I wasn't going to weigh in, but I think this is all just a big misunderstanding. On the surface it looks like a very large sale, or a number of large sales, which like any other sales belongs in the Classified as a WTS ad.

But what's becoming clear (and was definitely not clear to start with) is that NCD is apparently selling these chips at reduced rates if and only if he can sell them all at once. So H|Q is working with him to come to a price, then posting here to say OK, we need 'x' buyers at 'y' dollars each to make this happen -- otherwise, no deal, or "full retail" prices. THAT sounds like a group buy to me.

That is correct. As stated before there is a discount for chips that have a base price that Danny had already set. He only agreed to sell chips assuming he can move all of the chips that we agree upon selling.

I agree, that sounds much more like a group buy. However, this was certainly not made clear. Do the people that committed to buying the certain sets understand their deals are contingent on ALL the chips selling?

Does it matter? If that's a parameter to qualify then so be it. I'll indicate how many have to be sold to get the discount. Just because the price isn't set by a brick and mortar company doesn't mean there price isn't valid.

When someone unloads a WTS, that is so large, people don't open another WTS to organize a purchase. That's where the group buy thread comes in.

How about this. We have a vote on another thread on what constitutes a Group Buy. We don't even need a vote. Just have Tommy decide with/out the input of his staff and forum. The member wanna know!

The reason I'm so entrenched is because, this is how Blue started it's downward spiral. I've lost money BIG money on all previous group buys before PCF and the Tropicanas. Blue's draconian rules made it impossible to protect myself. It concerns me when history repeats.

 

[Jeff]

I think the matter of where this thread belongs was settled a few posts ago by Tommy. Don't really understand what the big deal is as classifieds here are free...





I'm excluded if there are enough buyers in the US. But I'll just pass to make things easy all around. (y) :thumbsup:

I'll ship to you if you want to buy.

 

[mipevi]

Thanks for the offer @Jeff , I appreciate it. But I just bought some funky Chipcos instead!

 

[TheDeezer]

Lets see some more sets. I'm in for a 4000 piece set of the Stardusts and i'm very serious. Ready H|Q ..lets do this

 

[Jeff]

nevermind. No need to clutter thread. Sorry! GLWS

 

[Mr. Cheese]

Lets see some more sets. I'm in for a 4000 piece set of the Stardusts and i'm very serious. Ready H|Q ..lets do this

I'm ready to buy some chips too!

 

[H|Q]

Lets see some more sets. I'm in for a 4000 piece set of the Stardusts and i'm very serious. Ready H|Q ..lets do this

I'm ready to buy some chips too!

GUYS!

Let's keep this thread on topic! Sheesh!

 

[stocky]

Holy fucking shit balls. All you people really care that much. Thanks for wasting 5 minutes of my busy life reading all this verbal diarrhea.

Btw don't really give a crap. Just wanted to jump in.

 

[Wils]

Only on the internet can a conversation go from collectible poker chips being for sale to someone bringing up a racist diatribe that makes a disagreement about thread categories analogous to civil rights issues. Unreal. lol Some of you need a hobby, other than grandstanding on the internet I mean.

Just to be clear, I "liked" the video. Nowhere's safe, is it? Would love to see the next few seconds. I'm in tears here.

 

[Tommy]

I'm referring to Charlie Chip on this one. He is reading the first post of this thread with no knowledge of the "HQ is buying all of NCD chips" thread. It comes off as a WTS Ad and its more appropriate in the Classifieds section. Could it be "OK" in the GB section. Sure, if you fully understand what is going on.

If you all want more rules, then I'll work on some soon. I'm a bit busy today and tomorrow with my roof though.

Now everyone please stop punching the unicorn and buy some chips. :

 

[stocky]

How about a HQ vendor thread. Will that stop all the panty twisting?


Sorry couldn't help myself

 

[David O]

Wow, this is ridiculous. This is a group buy and it could also be a sale. The example used was TriHondas ad. It was a sale because it was posted as one set but would split. This means he would have preferred to sell to one person but was willing to split. This is a group buy since there are several sets being offered to a "Group". This was the same with the Tropicana "Group Buy". As I recall those that purchased them did not give a darn which section it was in and purchased them anyway.
Also was there discussion via PM about moving or was it just moved? I would be PO'd if it was just ruled on to be moved without first a private discussion.
So do we end up like CT or do we act like the best forum for chippers. Let's all get along and move on with this Group buy!!!!
People want to see some chips.
And for Pete's sake start a new thread so we do not have to see all of this BS.
(off of my soapbox now)

 

[MaxB]

I don't even own one of those chips... wish I did!

So apparently he's trying to needle someone else?

No, it was a shameless plug for Aztars.....I just picked one out of the bunch. I wanted to keep the picture chip relevant

 

[slisk250]

Lets see some more sets. I'm in for a 4000 piece set of the Stardusts and i'm very serious. Ready H|Q ..lets do this

Make mine 10,000

 

[bentax1978]

Make mine 10,000

10,001.



Oh wait, what's going on?

 

[H|Q]

10,001.



Oh wait, what's going on?

There is a bug in your programming!

 

[Marius L]

Doesn't matter if this is a GB or WTS, lets just appreciate the oppurtunity H|Q is giving everyone here, and be happy that he is putting in the time and effort to make it happen! I really can't understand why something that is this great for the community is being derailed so hard by something so trivial.

I look forward to the next threads coming up!

 

[justsomedude]

Is this thread real?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

 

[Wils]

Is this thread real?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Maybe you're not taking crazy pills. Maybe we all need to start.

 

[BiGGyT]

Well, while all you were arguing for the sake of grandstanding, I picked up a "small" set and an add-on 100 $.50 chips, don't care how I bought it, sent my paypal, -DONE. Just waiting for them to arrive whenever they do. All the rest doesn't matter, I got mine.

 

[Weckedy]

Well, while all you were arguing for the sake of grandstanding, I picked up a "small" set and an add-on 100 $.50 chips, don't care how I bought it, sent my paypal, -DONE. Just waiting for them to arrive whenever they do. All the rest doesn't matter, I got mine.

Dont tell them that ... let them keep arguing and grandstanding, so we can get those chips from right under there noises.
Just kidding of course.