Chester Copperpot’s Pirate Treasure Hunt (2 Viewers)

[boltonguy]

Looking good. Beware the downswings do come. Here's my August playing Zone .02/.05
Mostly positive sessions but every now and then a total crusher. Looking like I will exit the month positive though.
Current win rate is 12 BB/100 over a small sample. Going to play .02/.05 Zone in September and if I have a net positive month will move up to .10/.25 Zone.
I've also started walking on the treadmill while playing and walk between 2 - 4 miles per session. Gonna get fit too!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

You’re really able to get so many more hands in an hour on Zone. I’m averaging 44/hour on full ring, so that really makes the progress slow.

But it allows me to focus more on my game, my opponents, and each session a bit better, I think.

I’m hesitant to post any real stats or charts though, given I’m only at 2100 hands. But if anyone wants to see, I can do it, just understanding that the sample doesn’t mean much. But if anyone thinks it’d be helpful for whatever reason, let me know. I mean, I think I’m currently at 27BB/100 right now, which is absurd.

Edited to add: I’ve noticed how important game selection is as well, even at an anonymous site like Bovada. Play during the day, during the week, there are way more regs and way less fish. Weeknights, more fish. Weekend nights, tons of fish.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more fish at 25NL than 10NL, given the nature of degens on a sports book site.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Also, perhaps the most important question of the thread: how many hands do I have to play before I can call myself a shitreg?

 

[Legend5555]

I think there are even more fish at 50nl. It seems to be the most trafficed game size.

 

[FDLmold]

I need to get rolled for the fish pond

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I could see it. A gambler popping over with a $50 buy-in for a quick poker session, but having no idea what they’re really doing.

I think the people grinding the really low stakes are probably trying to be actual poker players and grinding up their roll, but 25/50NL probably has a good number of people just taking a random shot at a poker table.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

@Legend5555 Here is a small stack fish play from last night. I’m in the SB, J7o. Folds to me, and BB is a min buy-in, sitting on about $6.50. I assume a fish based just on the min buy-in, and raise to 3x. Get a call.

Spike a J on the flop for top pair, rest of board is trash. Cbet about half pot. BB jams. I snap call, and he shows AKo.

Maybe the snap call was a bad move, but against that player in that spot, figured it had to be nothing. If he has me outkicked, well, he got me. The J held, I scooped it, and a new player bought in.

 

[Legend5555]

What? You didn't know jamming AK high on the flop was standard. What a fish calling with TP!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I should clearly fold every time!

Seriously though, after you told me to stop
being dumb and play back more with these small stacks, I am seeing how terrible they are.

The other night, had a small stack call a preflop raise OOP with. He called off multiple streets for his entire stack with bottom pair, no flush draw.

 

[boltonguy]

I have heard that full ring is looser than Zone - your anecdotes above seem to support this!
I do see some spewy behavior in Zone but I think the ability to ditch a poor/mediocre hand and move on makes hands in Zone stronger generally and so the play is tighter as a result. I know when I've played one table full ring in the past I can get bored and have thoughts like "noones going to expect me opening T3ss from the CO - I havent had cards for ages maybe I'll try to get it through!" UGH!
I am playing Zone to improve my game - maybe I should play a few full ring .25/.50 sessions to see what the competition is like!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Weekend nights would be a great time to take your shot. Load up a full ring 25NL table, wait for good hands, and collect your chips.

Boredom isn’t much an issue for me. I just kind of have the table up and running on the side as I’m farting around the house. It’s low-key, low-pressure.

 

[FDLmold]

Zone is Ignition, right?

 

[boltonguy]

Yup! It is anonymous like all Ignition tables.

 

[FDLmold]

Yup! It is anonymous like all Ignition tables.

I dropped my account there a while back. But I forget why. I should reload it.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Is Ignition just poker, or is it also a sports book?

I think one benefit of Bovada is that it is mostly a sports book, with casino on the side. I think there are a lot of gambling degens that wander over to play poker, and that results in softer fields.

 

[FDLmold]

I remember Ignition as an online casino, with poker on the side.

 

[Legend5555]

Is Ignition just poker, or is it also a sports book?

I think one benefit of Bovada is that it is mostly a sports book, with casino on the side. I think there are a lot of gambling degens that wander over to play poker, and that results in softer fields.

They share player pools, so it's all the same.

 

[Legend5555]

Zone/Rush/Zoom/Blitz

It's all much tighter than regular tables. People really aren't getting out of line too often after the flop. But the good players do 3 bet more often pre.

And 9 handed is softer than 6 handed.

 

[boltonguy]

Every now and then I play on global poker. Just played 6 max .10/.20 up $18 in an hour while walking on the treadmill. I recommend the site if you are looking for somewhere soft to play Nice low pressure break from Iggy and it isnt anonymous so while no HUDs work you can color code players and store notes across sessions. Good site. It is more boring than Zone so I end up web surfing etc while playing to pass the time between playable hands.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I played 208 hands last night, registering a $15.59 loss.

Think I certainly had below average cards, and made two particular mistakes, that without probably would’ve come out even or maybe booked a slight win.

 

[boltonguy]

You will win it back!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I feel like it. First table I was on was good, and had gotten up about a half buy-in. I was placed at a new table, and it wasn’t a great table. Not a lot of action, endless small pots, seemed like a table of mostly regs. Kept thinking about changing tables, but didn’t. Probably should have.

 

[boltonguy]

The other thing that is going on right now at Ignition (dont know if this same promo is on Bovada) is a 1x POKER bonus for BTC deposits. You only have until Sept 23rd to earn the bonus by playing through the deposit. I made a BTC deposit on 8/24 and so far have unlocked $10.11 in bonus that has been deposited into my account. I mention this because my playthrough rate is lower at $.02/$.05 and usually Ignition bonuses only give you casino dollars or require casino playthrough to earn which I dont do. So this is a really valuable bonus. Since my deposit I've played 2,470 hands and paid $9.96 in rake so this is better than 100% rakeback through the end date.

I figure I will play at least 16 more sessions by 9/23 so my total bonus will be about $50 which is not bad on top of winnings. Not going to buy a set of chips but every nickel counts

 

[FDLmold]

The other thing that is going on right now at Ignition (dont know if this same promo is on Bovada) is a 1x POKER bonus for BTC deposits. You only have until Sept 23rd to earn the bonus by playing through the deposit. I made a BTC deposit on 8/24 and so far have unlocked $10.11 in bonus that has been deposited into my account. I mention this because my playthrough rate is lower at $.02/$.05 and usually Ignition bonuses only give you casino dollars or require casino playthrough to earn which I dont do. So this is a really valuable bonus. Since my deposit I've played 2,470 hands and paid $9.96 in rake so this is better than 100% rakeback through the end date.

I figure I will play at least 16 more sessions by 9/23 so my total bonus will be about $50 which is not bad on top of winnings. Not going to buy a set of chips but every nickel counts

I was checking BOVADA last night. Saw that bonus. Going to dump a little $$ in there this weekend probably.

 

[boltonguy]

Just played 35 mins of .10/.25 NL Zone, 149 hands, up $4.50. Not too different than .02/.05 NL so maybe I will move up. That will help me clear the BTC bonus faster That's enough poker for me today! GL at the tables guys! On to playing with my Horseshoe Southern Indiana sample set!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Managed to sneak in 97 hands just now. Turned it around from yesterday, cashing out for a profit of $35.42. Big hand of the session was hitting a set of 7s, and stacking a dude for about $20.

Would've liked to have played more given my stack size and the table, but I'm also a dad - so have to do dad things, which I'm glad to do. Glad to book another winning session. I'll try to get some more hands in tonight. Sitting at 2,415 hands, so about to be a quarter way there to 10,000.

 

[boltonguy]

Nice win!

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Got another 115 hands in this evening, cashing out down $6.32. I'm now at 2,530 hands.

At this point, I figured I'd bring some additional discussion to the thread based on my initial observations. With such a small sample size, I thought about what might give at least somewhat meaningful insight into my game and 25NL at Bovada. When I look at Leak Tracker in PT4, it is telling me I'm really loose when it comes to steals, and that I'm outside of normal ranges:

But, I'm extremely profitable with these steal attempts. In 89 attempts, I've won 74 of the hands for a profit of $52.73. It is really amazing how much of my overall profit has come from here.

So, maybe I'm stealing, or trying to steal too much, according to whatever numbers it is comparing against in the overall active player base. And while the sample is small, based on it and my observations of 25NL on Bovada, I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be sustainable. We'll have to see, but I don't plan on changing the way I'm doing it so far unless this really start to change.

And finally, a broader overview:

I welcome any thoughts or feedback on any of the above.

 

[DrStrange]

I wouldn't have though blind stealing was such a big deal on a no-limit table. $52.73 ----> 211bb at your stakes. That works out to +8bb/100 to your win rate. Nothing close to what I would have guessed, it is close to stealing a big blind every orbit.

This makes me wonder if something different is going on. Out of that $52.73, some portion might be from some big confrontations. Maybe it starts out as a fight over a quarter, but in the end it is a fight for stacks. I think a deeper investigation is in order. Lets look at the top five or ten results from the steal attempts. If you find the top handful of results explains most <or even all> of the steal attempt winnings I trust that will color your impression about the strategy. And if it turns out your $52.73 was earned mostly a dollar or less at a time, well that means something totally different.

I will be curious what you find when digging for finer details. +8bb/100 from stealing blinds seems rather remarkable.

DrStrange

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Good insight - and yes, looking more closely at the individual hands, a large chunk of this actually wound up being hands won after the flop. No stack-sized pots, largest was $6.75, but several $6, $4, $3, pots, etc. Had one $7+ loss, a couple of $4+ losses. Wonder what the best way to really evaluate this is?