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Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (14 Viewers)

doublebooyah85 said:
Haha can’t wait to see a Tina set make it!
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All it takes is vision. For years and maybe still, there was exactly one (I think) ceramic set in the hall of fame. I don’t even remember the name of it. It was some race car themed set, but it was actually named after something else, like snap on tools or something.
Anyway, that set made it because it was different. The problem with most ceramics is that people use it as a cheap way to copy clay chips (either exactly or in looks.) and though some people might like to play with them at home, chippers don’t want to look at them, much less nominate them to the hall of fame. But if you send Tina a unique, cool design that utilizes the blank canvass that is ceramic, you too could get into the chipping hall of fame. (And then she’ll sell them by the thousands on Ali baba or some such.)
 
upNdown said:
All it takes is vision. For years and maybe still, there was exactly one (I think) ceramic set in the hall of fame. I don’t even remember the name of it. It was some race car themed set, but it was actually named after something else, like snap on tools or something.
Anyway, that set made it because it was different. The problem with most ceramics is that people use it as a cheap way to copy clay chips (either exactly or in looks.) and though some people might like to play with them at home, chippers don’t want to look at them, much less nominate them to the hall of fame. But if you send Tina a unique, cool design that utilizes the blank canvass that is ceramic, you too could get into the chipping hall of fame. (And then she’ll sell them by the thousands on Ali baba or some such.)
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@Mr Tree Paymaster’s I believe
 
doublebooyah85 said:
Isn’t the HOF criteria the set needs to be 5 years old? When were the first boat chips? I know several sets that to me are HOF worthy that use a collection of multiple NAGB chips.

NAGB chips are ideal for customs. And they should fall under fantasy chips as @upNdown mentioned. Not even sure that’s controversial.
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Haha I had a sense I probably shouldn't have invoked the HOF in my argument. I also just meant the general annual voting threads. Yes the NAGB chips are great relabel candidates but that's the point. They're not someone's personal customized set. Are WTHCs customs? No. Neither are TP, RPC, AS, etc
 
upNdown said:
All it takes is vision. For years and maybe still, there was exactly one (I think) ceramic set in the hall of fame. I don’t even remember the name of it. It was some race car themed set, but it was actually named after something else, like snap on tools or something.
Anyway, that set made it because it was different. The problem with most ceramics is that people use it as a cheap way to copy clay chips (either exactly or in looks.) and though some people might like to play with them at home, chippers don’t want to look at them, much less nominate them to the hall of fame. But if you send Tina a unique, cool design that utilizes the blank canvass that is ceramic, you too could get into the chipping hall of fame. (And then she’ll sell them by the thousands on Ali baba or some such.)
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This. All of this.
 
Poker Zombie said:
Controversial opinion...

All clay chips are semi-custom. Labels are custom, but the spot patterns are limited. Thousands of choices, sure, but limited.

If those thousands of choices make it "custom", wouldn't a 6-denom set of relabels made from thousands of existing chips also be custom?
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I had a thought the other day about custom vs semi custom debate.

When the blank T molds were available(blank solids) from Micheal Patton, the general consensus was to call them TMSC(T mold semi-custom). Back then everyone had them hot stamped, myself included.

When someone orders a solid set from ASM/CPC and has them hot stamped, they are considered customs. What’s the difference? :unsure:
 
FestiveKnight said:
Sarcasm?
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Not at all. The person I was responding to said that very few people want other people's customs and that real casino chips are the best. I was simply pointing out that in a technical sense, Tigers, NAGB chips and Paulson's former fantasy lines are in fact "someone else's customs."
 
upNdown said:
All it takes is vision. For years and maybe still, there was exactly one (I think) ceramic set in the hall of fame. I don’t even remember the name of it. It was some race car themed set, but it was actually named after something else, like snap on tools or something.
Anyway, that set made it because it was different. The problem with most ceramics is that people use it as a cheap way to copy clay chips (either exactly or in looks.) and though some people might like to play with them at home, chippers don’t want to look at them, much less nominate them to the hall of fame. But if you send Tina a unique, cool design that utilizes the blank canvass that is ceramic, you too could get into the chipping hall of fame. (And then she’ll sell them by the thousands on Ali baba or some such.)
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Paymasters (and yes still the only ceramic in the HOF to date)

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Designing a truly unique, interesting and visually appealing ceramic chip set is IMHO the most challenging design in the hobby. It really takes next-level creativity and design intuition to start with a completely unformatted blank slate that's an inch and a half wide and turn it into a legible work of art that can compete with the elegance of a nice clay chip.
 
BPTDirector said:
Making a custom NAGB set of chips just to be relabeled is the worst thing ever to happen to chipping. Labels < inlays in every aspect.
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I couldn’t agree more. I often say I came here looking for chips with numbers, but that was 1a. 1b was chips without stickers.
Rationally speaking, I know this is stupid. I’ve never heard of a gear label falling off (and I actually have heard of CPC inlays fallling off occasionally.) So yes, insisting factory inlays are infinitely better than replacement labels is dumb. But I insist!
 
I personally think if a single designer is responsible for creation of a set, regardless of whether they are personal, custom, made for a NAGB venture or any other reason, such designer (and his/her set) can and should be considered for HOF. And I would nominate @JeepologyOffroad’s hot stamp cash set (a first of many) … problem with most NAGB sets is they were usually designed by a committee or more than one person… or at the very least multiple people had input/suggestions/wish lists that were considered in creation of the sets…

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I don't think the Tigers are ugly or that @JeepologyOffroad didn't put a lot of great work into them. But to me "custom set" means heavily customized and personalized. No one designs their custom set thinking "boy someone else will sure enjoy undoing my design work and murdering these" which is exactly the premise of a NAGB
 
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kk405 said:
I personally think if a single designer is responsible for creation of a set, regardless of whether they are personal, custom, made for a NAGB venture or any other reason, such designer (and his/her set) can and should be considered for HOF. And I would nominate @JeepologyOffroad’s hot stamp cash set (a first of many) … problem with most NAGB sets is they were usually designed by a committee or more than one person… or at the very least multiple people had input/suggestions/wish lists that were considered in creation of the sets…

I will add pictures later :tup: … but most know why they look like :unsure:
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My terrible pics as a placeholder

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Can someone please upload the HS TP 43mm bear claw? As a single straight on face shot.

I need it for my bear claw 43mm thread
 
FestiveKnight said:
which is exactly the premise of a NAGB
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Incorrect. Maybe for some. Never designed these for murder or with the idea of murder in my mind whatsoever and large majority have not murdered surprisingly.

The bearclaw NCV on the other hand were precisely that.

I do agree on your idea of custom though.
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
Incorrect. Maybe for some. Never designed these for murder or with the idea of murder in my mind whatsoever and large majority have not murdered surprisingly.

The bearclaw NCV on the other hand were precisely that.
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You're a great guy so I don't want to get into telling you what your intentions were but I don't think I am alone in thinking that people expect NAGB chips to be designed for murder. You see this with people talking about the the colors and spot designs used. The excess of denoms to make chips that fit different common custom aesthetics. With things like the RPC primary fakeshores.

Doesn't you saying "surprisingly" somewhat agree with my point? I too have been quite surprised how little they've been murdered but that may also have to do with high prices and people wanting to keep them more fungible.
 
FestiveKnight said:
The excess of denoms to make chips that fit different common custom aesthetics.
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Nope. I made the 2s specifically, and selfishly for limit. 20s I love personally and 50¢ was for myself too as I prefer them over quarters. So what are the excessive denoms made for murder?

FestiveKnight said:
With things like the RPC primary fakeshores.
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Like I said, maybe was the premise for some but to blanket statement all NAGB is false

FestiveKnight said:
Doesn't you saying "surprisingly" somewhat agree with my point? I too have been quite surprised how little they've been murdered but that may also have to do with high prices and people wanting to keep them more fungible
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Disagree again. All NAGB have been relatively high priced and tigers were not the highest.

And I don’t see how saying surprisingly agrees with the premise that I designed tigers with murder in mind.

I also did not take a single dime from the vendor sale of them so I’m not sure what I had to gain from saying otherwise or why my intentions would be otherwise either
 
JeepologyOffroad said:
Like I said, maybe was the premise for some but to blanket statement all NAGB is false
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It really is. The Boat chips, the chips the term NAGB was coined for, were certainly not designed to be murdered. Chip murder wasn’t really a thing back then. I think gear was just starting to talk about “full inlay replacement” and maybe that one Canadian guy was working on his big RHC murdered set, but chip murder was in its infancy. I can remember one guy who did a big label over on the 818 set, but otherwise just about everybody I can remember were playing their boat chips as-is.
 
BPTDirector said:
I’d say stumping for chips that you obviously made a huge profit on is very self serving.
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He didn’t profit on that set he is talking about, but I get the sentiment and don’t think he is doing that whatsoever.
 
Jacks said:
Dude when will people realize Jeep was the designer, not the seller.

Sure he probably has a larger than average collection and probably got to buy them at cost or discounted, but shouldn’t the designer be paid?
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BPTDirector said:
I’d say stumping for chips that you obviously made a huge profit on is very self serving.
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The TP hot stamp cash set has not been sold to anyone...not a single chip, not a barrel, not a sample set... it was designed from ground up as a personal set and not for resale.

And it's not 'self-serving'...I am trying to give credit to the designer, which is John...not me... yes, he got it through a difficult vendor, but it's his personal design and HOF worthy by a mile... why is it any different if the vendor who made it is named 'CPC' or 'GPI'? Controversial...I know (just waiting for the CD comments)

People who have seen and played with these chips can vouch...but to each their own...

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kk405 said:
The TP hot stamp cash set has not been sold to anyone...not a single chip, not a barrel, not a sample set... it was designed from ground up as a personal set and not for resale.

And it's not 'self-serving'...I am trying to give credit to the designer, which is John...not me... yes, he got it through a difficult vendor, but it's his personal design and HOF worthy by a mile... why is it any different if the vendor who made it is named 'CPC' or 'GPI'? Controversial...I know (just waiting for the CD comments)

People who have seen and played with these chips can vouch...but to each their own...

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I need to take more pictures of these chips...
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I’ve always thought the hall of fame and the calendars were more high-schoolish popularity contests than anything else, so it’s no big deal either way. But one could complain that this set had an unfair advantage over the rest of the field, since it was produced by GPI.
Looks cool though!
 
Your goat doesn’t look like my goat.

My hall has different things in it than yours.

Bottom line? We all know lead is lead. No debating it, no arguing it, and never a nose turned up at it.

Lead wins all.
 

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