As a wise, in-the-know chipper pointed out to me, we know Angel have been transferring casinos to hotstamps over the past couple of years, so, yeah...
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I’m not exactly sure what you and @LeGold r saying…
But the Tigers were extremely easy for Kifer to defoil.
Other than the baby blue chips, you can’t see the old stamp…I think NAGB fresh foiled chips are ideal to restamp…
Someone got a Kifer cloner? Otherwise, I still don't see the point in hot stamping NAGB chips. Also adds a lot of extra time and cost. From purely the perspective of maximizing customization options for the community, you can't tell me new stamped chips are superior to new inlaid chips.
If it was out of their control that's something different. And interesting.
I love hot stamps, and now I have a custom THC hot stamp set. Same price as paying for mill work + labels + time it takes putting them on.
Keep the controversial takes coming @FestiveKnight
Don’t look @Tonystark137 lol
That’s a valid point. Maybe 10% of the community is interested in restamping.
Hmmm murdering inlays has to be easier than milling too (to your point)? Other than w hot stamps you have a chance for a gear shaped mill…
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Tonystark137
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At least you didn't mill them...I love hot stamps, and now I have a custom THC hot stamp set. Same price as paying for mill work + labels + time it takes putting them on.
Keep the controversial takes coming @FestiveKnight
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If someone is looking to mill T1, I’d be interested in trading for 2 racks of T5…
Maybe if it looked like what a Tiger VIP3 would look like they would get hit with the big fee that the tiger folks got hit with, for having beautiful chips
So best to look like other casino chips to get the order through?
Those two statements are somewhat contradicting.
Tiger prices are what the secondary retail market threshold was at the time. There wasn’t a price increase because of what Paulson was charging. They may have been a bit more expensive for some of the complex edge spots but were only talking about a dollar a chip more.
In addition tiger prices have been able to relatively HOLD bc supply demand. Less available now than initial sale.
I’m almost certain Paulson knows these r hitting PCF so they don’t care.
Don’t ever recall that. But he did have to pay more on some of the complex edge spots and maybe the IHC/FHC, but I am assuming that’s a minimal surcharge.
However, to your point, hot stamps are less expensive.
Perheps, depend on the chips. The recent NAGBs have shown to have non-round labels :/
From the "So It Begins" thread, Jeep posted there was an absurd upcharge from GPI on the tigers, unrelated to edge spots lol. So there might be a tax on good looking S tier chips.
I'm saying what you're saying - stamps can be restamped, and can look fab!
And they can ALSO be relabeled. So for me, this is a more flexible source for customization (even though the market for it is smaller).
Re additional costs for hotstamps - sure, but labels cost too.
Never been a fan of any hot stamped chip. Old Vegas, new vegas, NAGB, customs, etc., they are just not my thing. I have never owned any in bulk and doubt I ever will. Plenty of people love them though. Why, I have no idea...lol. I am thankful he brought new clay to the forum.
Would rather see discussions of the merits of new clay chips as opposed to talk of some dusty looking painted ceramics from China any day of the year.
jayfiggy
3 of a Kind
I’m not the most rehearsed in tiger lore, but I would imagine it’s much more likely that they charged him more because they knew they were being re-sold for a profit, not for casino use. Although that is just speculation. We will never actually know unless Ken spills the beans.
It seems unlikely that GPI would subjectively charge higher prices based on how “good” chips look.
Presumably “good locks” is short hand for complicated edge spots/ larger chips because generally “good” equals bright colors with complex spots. If such a fee exists, we can assume it’s a production difficultly scale (like CPC) and not an aesthetics one
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Had no clue about that.
Love love love it.Keep the controversial takes coming @FestiveKnight
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Who knows, years from now we may look fondly back on all the hot stamped projects. But you swung for the fences, most folks prefer to over label rather than murder to keep value intact, let alone purchase a HUGE nagb set, murder, and stamp with a highly personal stamp.
Don’t get me wrong - mad respect to the commitment, I love it. We just don’t see it these days. Maybe with a hot stamped nagb at a smaller $5-600 a rack price point, we’ll see many more projects (which would be AWESOME).
I just don’t know that we have a ton of folks here that are prepared to drop $5,000 - $10,000 on a forever set that they can’t get money back on. Then again, that’s pretty much every CPC set
It should stop being said that GPI will not sell to the Public. That’s just not true. It’s just the combination to the safe, or vault as it were, is not publicly known.
That’s like saying tax fraud isn’t illegal, you just need to know the very obscure loopholes to commit it.
It’s easier to say a blanket statement that GPI doesn’t sell to the public/only sells to licensed casinos.
jayfiggy
3 of a Kind
Jeepology claimed that those upcharges were on top of the complicated edge spot upcharge.
Theoretically you can still mill these chips and put whatever inlay you want for resale. But yeah these are a forever set.Had no clue about that.
Love love love it.
Who knows, years from now we may look fondly back on all the hot stamped projects. But you swung for the fences, most folks prefer to over label rather than murder to keep value intact, let alone purchase a HUGE nagb set, murder, and stamp with a highly personal stamp.
Don’t get me wrong - mad respect to the commitment, I love it. We just don’t see it these days. Maybe with a hot stamped nagb at a smaller $5-600 a rack price point, we’ll see many more projects (which would be AWESOME).
I just don’t know that we have a ton of folks here that are prepared to drop $5,000 - $10,000 on a forever set that they can’t get money back on. Then again, that’s pretty much every CPC set
My other customs will be easier to sell to your point. They only require inlay removal and just a @Gear label.
ekricket
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Hey these are people that require time pieces that show time to the second and get upset if their watch is off three minutes every leap year.
FWIW, I was specifically told that wasn’t true.
I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now, but it really doesn’t matter.
Just to clear up some pricing controversies that have (and are being) repeated about NAGB endeavors. This happens every time there is a new set of NAGB chips hitting the market. And I see a lot of nitpicking.
Dave has, on multiple occasions, posted a very accurate synopsis about pricing at GPI, and it's this:
I'll add some more: there is absolutely no official price list at GPI. The price is determined by what they claim is a complicated formula. This is based on colors, spot patters, hot stamp vs. label, region, quantity ordered of a particular chip (there are some small price breaks at some levels), size of the entire order, type of customer, and supposedly several other factors. There is also a sales review, internal management review, and other factors based on some individual licensee considerations, factory utilization at the moment, etc. There is also speed of production that can have an impact. Sometimes the factory is busy and they quote you 6-9 months, and other times they can do your job in 30-60 days.
Many posters here still refer to pricing of the original NAGB or those from pre-pandemic, as if nothing has changed in the last 5-10 years. I believe the Star NAGB was in 2014/2015. BTP and SB NAGBs were shortly after and from pre-pandemic days. GPI has been acquired since, their internal processes have changed and, as of now, they no longer offer clay chips to new customers in nearly 3/4 of the world. and to top it all off, we have had a significant/stubborn inflation in the last few years. I don't know how much the latest NAGB chips cost, but I am certain it's meaningfully higher than the first NAGB 10 years ago (I haven't followed them, but I presume the price of new Tina chips are double or triple what the old China Clay chips used to be 10 years ago).
Always good to see more minty THC chips in the market...moar is always better, especially given where this market is headed.
Dave has, on multiple occasions, posted a very accurate synopsis about pricing at GPI, and it's this:
I'll add some more: there is absolutely no official price list at GPI. The price is determined by what they claim is a complicated formula. This is based on colors, spot patters, hot stamp vs. label, region, quantity ordered of a particular chip (there are some small price breaks at some levels), size of the entire order, type of customer, and supposedly several other factors. There is also a sales review, internal management review, and other factors based on some individual licensee considerations, factory utilization at the moment, etc. There is also speed of production that can have an impact. Sometimes the factory is busy and they quote you 6-9 months, and other times they can do your job in 30-60 days.
Many posters here still refer to pricing of the original NAGB or those from pre-pandemic, as if nothing has changed in the last 5-10 years. I believe the Star NAGB was in 2014/2015. BTP and SB NAGBs were shortly after and from pre-pandemic days. GPI has been acquired since, their internal processes have changed and, as of now, they no longer offer clay chips to new customers in nearly 3/4 of the world. and to top it all off, we have had a significant/stubborn inflation in the last few years. I don't know how much the latest NAGB chips cost, but I am certain it's meaningfully higher than the first NAGB 10 years ago (I haven't followed them, but I presume the price of new Tina chips are double or triple what the old China Clay chips used to be 10 years ago).
Always good to see more minty THC chips in the market...moar is always better, especially given where this market is headed.
MeridianFC
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Basically, GPI are like drug dealers. In more ways than one.
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