Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (14 Viewers)

[ekricket]

Just to clear up some pricing controversies that have (and are being) repeated about NAGB endeavors. This happens every time there is a new set of NAGB chips hitting the market. And I see a lot of nitpicking.

Dave has, on multiple occasions, posted a very accurate synopsis about pricing at GPI, and it's this:



I'll add some more: there is absolutely no official price list at GPI. The price is determined by what they claim is a complicated formula. This is based on colors, spot patters, hot stamp vs. label, region, quantity ordered of a particular chip (there are some small price breaks at some levels), size of the entire order, type of customer, and supposedly several other factors. There is also a sales review, internal management review, and other factors based on some individual licensee considerations, factory utilization at the moment, etc. There is also speed of production that can have an impact. Sometimes the factory is busy and they quote you 6-9 months, and other times they can do your job in 30-60 days.

Many posters here still refer to pricing of the original NAGB or those from pre-pandemic, as if nothing has changed in the last 5-10 years. I believe the Star NAGB was in 2014/2015. BTP and SB NAGBs were shortly after and from pre-pandemic days. GPI has been acquired since, their internal processes have changed and, as of now, they no longer offer clay chips to new customers in nearly 3/4 of the world. and to top it all off, we have had a significant/stubborn inflation in the last few years. I don't know how much the latest NAGB chips cost, but I am certain it's meaningfully higher than the first NAGB 10 years ago (I haven't followed them, but I presume the price of new Tina chips are double or triple what the old China Clay chips used to be 10 years ago).

Always good to see more minty THC chips in the market...moar is always better, especially given where this market is headed.

TLDR all of it - basically they will charge you what they think you will pay.
If you roll up in a Maybach with a posse and you’re all wearing designer clothes and chains - you are going to get quoted a high price, basically a sales commission hiding as something else.

 

[justsomedude]

(I haven't followed them, but I presume the price of new Tina chips are double or triple what the old China Clay chips used to be 10 years ago).

This is accurate.

As I recall, the CPS castle & spear chips on the Blue Wall (2013-ish?) were about 16-cents a chip (initial bulk GB pricing). Someone might remember the exact price. Post-GB retail prices through Palm and Apache were a bit higher, but still <.30 each.

China Clays now run .49-.59 at retail.

 

[BarrieJ3]

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(Edit to say that if a set does have peach or arc or some shade of a yellow type of a frac - ITS A FU***NG SOLID)

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Mayyyyybe a quarter pie can get away with it. See how 85% of that frac is the same color family (yellow).

Not some top crazy spot like 8v or trimoon or claw?

Yeahhhhhh that was a host who had some chips and needed the homie Rieguy to supplement with Adolfo’s.

And more importantly - SOLIDS.

If I show you 4-5 chips from a distance of 30 yards (or whatever where you can see the chip but not the denom), and only one of them is solid, and I ask you which is the frac - you know. Oh you KNOW.

I do appreciate everyone posting all the best sets utilizing this colorway, with the majority of them having yellow solids.

Thanks for proving my point I guess? Fricken chippers.

 

[Rieguy]

(Edit to say that if a set does have peach or arc or some shade of a yellow type of a frac - ITS A FU***NG SOLID)

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https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/official-home-game-pics-thread.4135/page-782#post-2645461

(I'll mist you Eddie Bauer jacket)

Yeahhhhhh that was a host who had some chips and needed the homie Rieguy to supplement with Adolfo’s.

Ugh, you just had to remind me of that dismal birthday game didn't you? I guess I can counteract that with my $200 buy-in with the glorious Adolfo's lineup as it should be (arc yellow or peach ftw):

But nooooooooooooo those are crazy. “Where’s the usability, the spot progression, the cohesion!?” they said.

And then mfers spend out the nose for Detroit Jacks.

But also keep Jack Detroit out yo fuckin mouth.

(I'm felting them Saturday )

 

[doublebooyah85]

Why, I have no idea...lol.

Hotstamps show more clay! And that’s the best part of the chip, not some marketing inlay!

The foil kinda grows on you and it’s a bit nostalgic in a way too.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Ugh, you just had to remind me of that dismal birthday game didn't you? I guess I can counteract that with my $200 buy-in with the glorious Adolfo's lineup as it should be (arc yellow or peach ftw):

But also keep Jack Detroit out yo fuckin mouth.

(I'm felting them Saturday )

 

[ChipFinderSK]

@BarrieJ3

 

[BarrieJ3]

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@BarrieJ3

ahhhhhahaha bro.

Damn people must read my shit in a grumpy angry voice or something. I’m just out here trying to brighten peoples Thursday nights!

 

[Old State]

Practice a casino shuffle. Should be able to wash riffle riffle strip riffle cut and box in les than 15 seconds. People shuffling cards while the next hand is being dealt is extremely annoying . Two decks is for amateurs

 

[Poker Zombie]

Practice a casino shuffle. Should be able to wash riffle riffle strip riffle cut and box in les than 15 seconds. People shuffling cards while the next hand is being dealt is extremely annoying . Two decks is for amateurs

Maybe 5 of my 22 regulars are capable of a 15 second shuffle, and that's only when they are not tired. Since I find amateurs are extremely fun to have at a game, 2 decks is the way to go.

Not to mention that in a tournament, 15 seconds per hand = 2.5 minutes per level (at 20 minute levels, 2 minutes per hand). Last game ran 17 levels, so that extra deck adds 42.5 minutes of play time (in a 5 hour tournament) vs one deck. Even more, if you consider that you get considerably more hands per hour short-handed and heads-up.

 

[Old State]

Maybe 5 of my 22 regulars are capable of a 15 second shuffle, and that's only when they are not tired. Since I find amateurs are extremely fun to have at a game, 2 decks is the way to go.

Not to mention that in a tournament, 15 seconds per hand = 2.5 minutes per level (at 20 minute levels, 2 minutes per hand). Last game ran 17 levels, so that extra deck adds 42.5 minutes of play time (in a 5 hour tournament) vs one deck. Even more, if you consider that you get considerably more hands per hour short-handed and heads-up.

Most of my old poker crew could shuffle correctly. But yes, many don’t….but they still waste time with other distractions that people don’t account for.

I rarely play tournaments…90% cash. But I’d love to see a hidden camera of a table shuffling with two decks. I guarantee you the time lost handing the decks around, people stacking chips and plain table talk negate almost all the time you think you save. With one deck the person is on the spot to shuffle quickly.

The top most annoying thing is dealing around the cards shuffling…or as the shuffler picking up the cards to make it easier for the dealer. So annoying

I play in cash games with two decks and one deck and notice virtually no practical difference in the actual execution of it…but people think it’s faster. I’m 100% convinced through 30 years of observation the two deck system in theory makes sense but when executed in a real games setting offers little advantage.

 

[Old State]

Another unpopular opinion on a poker chip page is using too many chips. I absolutely can not stand massive stacks of small chips cluttering the table and taking time away from the game as people try to stack them after winning a pot or count them out for a bet.

When I host I deal with chips almost like a casino would. For a $1/2 cash game I’ll make the initial max $320 or $420 etc. I give out a barrel of $1s for the initial buy in and then use $5s going in out. If someone comes later to the game after it starts I only give them $5s. If the game gets big with multiple buyins I start giving out $25s. I’ve even taken (rarely though) chips off the table when the stack get too big and colored up to $25s

Once at the Borgata the floor manager asked a guy with about $3000 in reds if he wanted to color up because he kept knocking chips over. The guy took the offer and they gave him a bunch of greens

More than one or two stacks like this at a table is just so stupid to me

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Name checks out.

 

[bigblind]

use two decks and a card shuffler, this keeps the game moving

 

[BarrieJ3]

If someone at a table bets $69 or $55 or $350 or $31.50 or whatever, and another player adamantly complains about it or doesn’t allow it, I’m at the wrong table/game.

 

[cpac54]

Another unpopular opinion on a poker chip page is using too many chips. I absolutely can not stand massive stacks of small chips cluttering the table and taking time away from the game as people try to stack them after winning a pot or count them out for a bet.

When I host I deal with chips almost like a casino would. For a $1/2 cash game I’ll make the initial max $320 or $420 etc. I give out a barrel of $1s for the initial buy in and then use $5s going in out. If someone comes later to the game after it starts I only give them $5s. If the game gets big with multiple buyins I start giving out $25s. I’ve even taken (rarely though) chips off the table when the stack get too big and colored up to $25s

Once at the Borgata the floor manager asked a guy with about $3000 in reds if he wanted to color up because he kept knocking chips over. The guy took the offer and they gave him a bunch of greens

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[BarrieJ3]

Not sure if controversial.

If it’s a home game, and someone says pot, and someone says “It’s right around $185”, the table doesn’t need to spend 2 minutes to figure out it’s $188.

Maybe the first time sure, but if it’s 100 calculations in a row and they’re always pretty spot on, and it takes the table 2 minutes every time, just roll with it.

 

[Old State]

Not sure if controversial.

If it’s a home game, and someone says pot, and someone says “It’s right around $185”, the table doesn’t need to spend 2 minutes to figure out it’s $188.

Maybe the first time sure, but if I’m 3 sheets to the wind and get within $5-10 100 calculations in a row, and it takes the table 2 minutes every time, just roll with it.

Have you seen some of the game pics here? People buy special “limit” sets with 1000 chips of one denomination!

 

[Old State]

In reality more like this

You all have much to learn young grasshoppers

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[cpac54]

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You all have much to learn young grasshoppers

My mistake. For some reason I thought this was a poker chip forum.

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Progress happens one death at a time.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

When I host I deal with chips almost like a casino would.

Have you seen some of the game pics here? People buy special “limit” sets with 1000 chips of one denomination!

 

[BarrieJ3]

Progress happens one death at a time.

I’ve never heard this. Hilarious.

Meanwhile, @quintooo and @moechar watching all the chippers as they post birthday game pics and celebrate another circle around the sun:

 

[LeGold]

Another unpopular opinion on a poker chip page is using too many chips. I absolutely can not stand massive stacks of small chips cluttering the table and taking time away from the game as people try to stack them after winning a pot or count them out for a bet.

 

[Saoliver]

Have you seen some of the game pics here? People buy special “limit” sets with 1000 chips of one denomination!

1000 chips? What are they, amateurs? But you aren’t going to play pot-limit with these sets. Or, you definitely shouldn’t.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Someone got a Kifer cloner?

We don't need another one of me....

 

[BarrieJ3]

We don't need another one of me....

I mean, we can heal you!

Although we’d have to kill the original….

(Anyone who hasn’t seen the prestige, please stream immediately. You’re welcome.)

 

[Old State]

1000 chips? What are they, amateurs? But you aren’t going to play pot-limit with these sets. Or, you definitely shouldn’t.

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That gives me agita

My cash set for 50/1 through $2/5. I would use this same set for limit… if I could get anyone to play it anymore. 25 years ago we used to play $2/4 or $3/6 limit exclusively…before the casinos allowed NL. For $2/4 people cashed in for $60 and I gave them 10 white and 10 red. Few bets ever used more than 4 chips…perfection !
I’m hosting a $1/1 NL Saturday night. Ten people $120 max buying sitting down. We won’t get all those white $1s in play….especially if a few come late. I only give whites out to begin the game.

I have a 96” table but if there if someone’s chip stack takes up too much space I will give them greens and take chips off the table.

 

[Old State]

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Simple peasants

 

[jz12345]

Relabled chips are bad

I agree with this. Unless you’re promoting something, keep the originals.