Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (9 Viewers)

[Kid_Eastwood]

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And yes, I'd rather google a meme instead of the person's name.

 

[CrazyEddie]

People make a big deal over "string bets" for no good reason. The classic movie-style declaration "I'll see you... and raise..." is neither ambiguous nor admitting of angle shooting, for anyone capable of hearing and understanding conversational inflections. It's obvious that the bettor's wager is still in progress and it's obvious when it's complete.

The hyperfine technicalities explicated in, for example, the TDA rules are a logistical necessity for handling large-scale operations with large numbers of essentially anonymous players and large numbers of dealers in order to keep irregularities to a minimum, and, so, accordingly, it's simply easier for casinos to require bettors to follow a more formally-structured betting style. But for a home game there's no compelling reason to follow their lead other than, as many members here do, that you simply prefer to be as formal as casinos.

 

[allforcharity]

But for a home game there's no compelling reason to follow their lead other than, as many members here do, that you simply prefer to be as formal as casinos.

Agree with you in principle

BUT

When I run casino games at home for others' entertainment, I do feel that it is my responsibility to run games correctly, and as a casino would run them. Why? Because I wouldn't want my guests to be reprimanded at a casino for doing things they would have seen at a home game, e.g. touching your cards when playing blackjack, making roulette bets after the croupier has waved no more bets, etc. It avoids needless embarrassment (or other players' anger) when in the professional environment.

 

[joeyshin]

Probably not Controversial, but my rankings are


Leaded TRK > Leaded THC > Leaded RHC > BCC Heavyweights > TRK > THC > RHC > CIC > BCC > ASM > CPC > B&G > Matsui > Ceramic > everything else

 

[CrazyEddie]

Leaded TRK > Leaded THC > Leaded RHC > TRK > THC > RHC > BCC Heavyweights > CIC > BCC > ASM > CPC > B&G > Matsui > Ceramic > everything else

The only thing controversial about that opinion is that it'll get you kicked out of the Controversial Opinion Club.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Okay, so I’ve said this before so bear with me…

It irks me slightly when people say that plastic chips (Matsui, BJ, Icon, etc) “stack like bricks.” Edit: if the person saying this meant slippery plastic bricks, fair enough, carry on

Anyone who says this^^ has probably never handled actual, real life bricks or had to stack any. To be fair I also haven’t seen it said for a while either.

Controversial? I dunno, at least it always gave me a good reason to laugh bwahahahahaha!

I think it really depends on which chips you're talking about. While I do agree that some of the high end plastics are super slippery, others are annoyingly sticky, to the point that it is actually difficult to separate the chips sometimes. However, there are some sets that truly stack like bricks. Next time you're at my place for a game, remind me to show you my Bud Jones Grove CIC set. On a flat level surface, you could probably create a stack of those hundreds of chips high without them falling over, and they're neither slippery nor sticky. That's simply not possible to do with any Paulson or TRK set.

 

[joeyshin]

I think it really depends on which chips you're talking about. While I do agree that some of the high end plastics are super slippery, others are annoyingly sticky, to the point that it is actually difficult to separate the chips sometimes. However, there are some sets that truly stack like bricks. Next time you're at my place for a game, remind me to show you my Bud Jones Grove CIC set. On a flat level surface, you could probably create a stack of those hundreds of chips high without them falling over, and they're neither slippery nor sticky. That's simply not possible to do with any Paulson or TRK set.

So many times I over bet at the borgata because the chips stuck together.

 

[upNdown]

So many times I over bet at the borgata because the chips stuck together.

I don’t consider those particular chips to be high end plastics. I haven’t handled enough different bud jones “molds” to smear the entire brand, but they seem minor league, compared to the group buy Abiattis.

 

[MatB]

People make a big deal over "string bets" for no good reason. The classic movie-style declaration "I'll see you... and raise..." is neither ambiguous nor admitting of angle shooting, for anyone capable of hearing and understanding conversational inflections. It's obvious that the bettor's wager is still in progress and it's obvious when it's complete.

The hyperfine technicalities explicated in, for example, the TDA rules are a logistical necessity for handling large-scale operations with large numbers of essentially anonymous players and large numbers of dealers in order to keep irregularities to a minimum, and, so, accordingly, it's simply easier for casinos to require bettors to follow a more formally-structured betting style. But for a home game there's no compelling reason to follow their lead other than, as many members here do, that you simply prefer to be as formal as casinos.

Just been watching some of the old WSOP tourneys on Poker Go, 1979,180s etc.

Not sure ow competent the dealer is but many times I heard narrator say, "player is calling the bet and raising.."

So it does go way back.

I also understand your point about home games etc.
But even in home games there could be a decent amount of money in the middle.

Having made a bet, if someone said "I'll see your bet...." I might flip my cards over. even if the guy had more to say.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Just been watching some of the old WSOP tourneys on Poker Go, 1979,180s etc.

Not sure ow competent the dealer is but many times I heard narrator say, "player is calling the bet and raising.."

So it does go way back.

I also understand your point about home games etc.
But even in home games there could be a decent amount of money in the middle.

Having made a bet, if someone said "I'll see your bet...." I might flip my cards over. even if the guy had more to say.

This used to be the standard in poker. Even well into the 90s, players were still saying "I call or I see the bet, and I'll raise it". But then players started angle shooting by incorporating long pauses in between sometime around when Rounders came out. I think there were a lot of younger, newer players who were brought into the card rooms because of the poker boom it created that were aiming for any edge they could find. A lot of the games were still player dealt and we paid for time. Respect for tradition started to go out the window, and houses started to employ dealers and began implementing rules to thwart angle shooting.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Having made a bet, if someone said "I'll see your bet...." I might flip my cards over. even if the guy had more to say.

Point taken... but you wouldn't if betting like that was the norm and you'd been at the game for more than an hour (let alone a regular attendee). You'd see the obvious, and you'd seamlessly adjust to the local custom by withholding your action until the previous action was obviously complete.

 

[mcguiles]

not rereading this thread but:

- racetracks on a poker table are the absolute worst

- suited speed cloth is ugly as hell

- ceramic chips at a casino

 

[Thomacetti]

Probably not Controversial, but my rankings are


Leaded TRK > Leaded THC > Leaded RHC > TRK > THC > RHC > BCC Heavyweights > CIC > BCC > ASM > CPC > B&G > Matsui > Ceramic > everything else

So, let me get this straight....you think those 8 gr TRK's, THC and RHC's are better then the best BCC chips ?

 

[upNdown]

Oh here’s a good one.
Most custom cloths are tilting as hell, because anything with words (and most pictures) are upside down or sideways for 75% of the table.
BAM!

 

[joeyshin]

So, let me get this straight....you think those 8 gr TRK's, THC and RHC's are better then the best BCC chips ?

Actually. You’re right. The bcc heavyweights I had were awesome

 

[Anthony Martino]

People make a big deal over "string bets" for no good reason. The classic movie-style declaration "I'll see you... and raise..." is neither ambiguous nor admitting of angle shooting, for anyone capable of hearing and understanding conversational inflections. It's obvious that the bettor's wager is still in progress and it's obvious when it's complete.

The hyperfine technicalities explicated in, for example, the TDA rules are a logistical necessity for handling large-scale operations with large numbers of essentially anonymous players and large numbers of dealers in order to keep irregularities to a minimum, and, so, accordingly, it's simply easier for casinos to require bettors to follow a more formally-structured betting style. But for a home game there's no compelling reason to follow their lead other than, as many members here do, that you simply prefer to be as formal as casinos.

Agree with you in principle

BUT

When I run casino games at home for others' entertainment, I do feel that it is my responsibility to run games correctly, and as a casino would run them. Why? Because I wouldn't want my guests to be reprimanded at a casino for doing things they would have seen at a home game, e.g. touching your cards when playing blackjack, making roulette bets after the croupier has waved no more bets, etc. It avoids needless embarrassment (or other players' anger) when in the professional environment.

Gotta agree with @allforcharity on this one. If you have friends at a home game learning everything "wrong" and then they show up at a casino they're going to have a horrible time when they start getting called on rules they didn't know existed, and it could turn them off from poker altogether.

An analogy would be when I was reffing for a roller derby league, I called a back block on a player during a training session. She made a stink about it in our league forum because she felt my penalizing her was preventing players from "trying new things" and that since she had apologized to the other player she shouldn't be penalized.

I had to explain that we train like we play. We trained a lot more than we had official bouts. So if players were getting used to getting away with things during training that they wouldn't when there was an actual bout, I'd be doing them a huge disservice when game day showed up and their asses are getting tossed in the penalty box because apologizing isn't going to cut it.

Likewise, at a home game it's your friends. I'd hate for them to lose money/value when they do decide to go play a cash game or tournament at a poker room and get penalized because I let television shows teach them everything that doesn't fly in a regulated poker setting.

Also, for the purpose of this thread, hot stamps suck, give me inlays all day.

 

[Thomacetti]

Actually. You’re right. The bcc heavyweights I had were awesome

Thanks for your sanity

For me price/value is a BIG factor....

Do I like CPC customs ? sure...awsome sets out
Would I pay north of 3K for a custom set ?...not with options like Key West for 1/3 of that price.
I do 100% understand that other members gladly pony up double that for their CPC set.

And I still own a big Key West set & 3 Burt sets (all horseshoe mold)...but those came (very) cheap.
Like said YMMV...and that is a good thing

For me...this is the case: BCC>Paulson>>>ASM/CPC
So I just prefer to drop 3K (or a LOT less) in good BCC & Paulson sets...

But would I pay current prices for NAGB chips & leaded THC's ?
No chance in hell....

 

[JScott]

Just change this to 6 or 7 handed, ok with 8, and bad with 9 and 10, and I'm right there with you if it's NLHE.

For any other game besides NLHE, the same is true, but change the numbers to 5 or 6, ok with 7, and bad with anything more.

This. So much this. and it goes 5x when it's a home game. I help host a game for guys and they insist on inviting a shit tonne of people for each game, and they've ended up with tournaments with 20+ players when we only have two tables. Not only does it throw off my chips/tournament organization when it happens last minute, but 11 people at a table is terrible.

Many here even thought I was making a mistake by ordering a 48" x 84" Chanman, but my ideal game is 5-7 players. I can comfortably fit 9 in a pinch, but I invite 7 and I'll be more than happy with a 6 person game. 6 Max is my absolute favourite.

 

[chipinla]

Chips from any NAGB shouldn’t be considered “grail” sets.

 

[MatB]

This used to be the standard in poker. Even well into the 90s, players were still saying "I call or I see the bet, and I'll raise it". But then players started angle shooting by incorporating long pauses in between sometime around when Rounders came out. I think there were a lot of younger, newer players who were brought into the card rooms because of the poker boom it created that were aiming for any edge they could find. A lot of the games were still player dealt and we paid for time. Respect for tradition started to go out the window, and houses started to employ dealers and began implementing rules to thwart angle shooting.

Something I just remembered from watching a few of the earlier WSOPs.
Insurance on the all-ins !!
Jack Binion coming over and setting the odds


I was like wtf is going on ?

Tbh I still don’t exactly know how that works.

 

[jr8719]

Chips from any NAGB shouldn’t be considered “grail” sets.

Hmmmm, beg to differ on this one, buddy. I'd argue that custom Paulsons are in fact the very definition of "grail".

 

[MatB]

IMO. Grail set can be any set you want it to be

And yes. For me I’d say BTPs are grail

 

[Coyote]

Hmmmm, beg to differ on this one, buddy. I'd argue that custom Paulsons are in fact the very definition of "grail".

Only if re-labelled (including over-labelled)

 

[jr8719]

Only if re-labelled (including over-labelled)

Unless the original inlay was made specifically for you, I guess.

 

[Coyote]

Unless the original inlay was made specifically for you, I guess.

The original inlay was made boring or ridiculous to death, to be acceptable by a truckload of fellow-conspirators

 

[jr8719]

The original inlay was made boring or ridiculous to death, to be acceptable by a truckload of fellow-conspirators

Meant to say the Chicken Coops and Truman's, specifically.

 

[joeyshin]

Chips from any NAGB shouldn’t be considered “grail” sets.

I’ve tried so hard to get into the nagb chips. While they look great and have great colors and spots, all the new THCs just feel so cheap. I can’t do it especially for their prices. I’d rather have some heavyweight BCCs

 

[Easylife]

Hmmmm, beg to differ on this one, buddy. I'd argue that custom Paulsons are in fact the very definition of "grail".

If NAGBGB chips wouldn't they only be custom to one in the group though, everyone else just went along with the final decision. And if multiple sets are made can they even still be considered customs or just another Paulson set, albeit a nice one in limited numbers. What you want is a unique Paulson set designed by you from scratch and only one set made exclusively for you. And ten sample sets of course so you can gloat the goat.

 

[Coyote]

Meant to say the Chicken Coops and Truman's, specifically.

I 've lost count of types and names long ago. All I know is that many of them are great chips, with invariably horrible inlays.

 

[jr8719]

If NAGBGB chips wouldn't they only be custom to one in the group though, everyone else just went along with the final decision. And if multiple sets are made can they even still be considered customs or just another Paulson set, albeit a nice one in limited numbers. What you want is a unique Paulson set designed by you from scratch and only one set made exclusively for you. And ten sample sets of course so you can gloat the goat.

Gloat the Goat had me in stitches!