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Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (38 Viewers)
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binoclard
Pair
Fair and very valid point. It is indeed often my gripe with certain ceramics that go full print with very busy faces and even busier edges. I still tend to think that maybe there is yet another way, and if solid spots are indeed the best solution, there are perhaps others methods than reproducing the styles and patterns of clay chips.
improviseallday
Flush
You might like spots on plastic chips. Since there is no manual edge alignment, there is no need to draw jagged lines as a a hack to minimize perceived misalignment, and boundaries can be closer together.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/crown-plaza-pron.67301/
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/all-bourgogne-et-grasset-b-g-pr0n-thread.109089/post-2252415
binoclard
Pair
Thanks. I have never been interested in high end plastics like Matsui, BG & Co. Don't know why… I should get samples 
There is nothing wrong with a relatively small and simple pattern repeated 8 times around a chip, but the TH&C is really nothing special as a stand-alone image. I get that Paulson bought the mold from C&J and subsequently developed it into a brand (and uses it as a marketing tool), but it was the original pairing of the TH&C image with an outside debossed ring that really makes the mold shine from a design and performance perspective. CPC offers several molds today with that feature, but only the Jockey mold pairs it with a pattern that isn't visually dominating.
I often wonder what Paulson chips would have looked like without the influences of Bud Jones, Bill Christy, and Pat Sullivan. Even the Diamond and Web molds were purchased by Paulson, and not internally designed.
The internally-designed Paulson molds include the Reverse Hat & Cane (RHC), Lammer mold, ROULETTE mold, Alternating Hat & Cane (AHC, 36mm), Inverse Hat & Cane (IHC, 43mm), and Fat Hat & Cane (FHC, 48mm). Most casino house molds were designed based on customer specifications. Other relatively-recent home-market molds were customer-designed (Paradise, Card-Pip, etc.). The best the ex-owners of Paulson could do were the Flame and Sun molds at BCC.
Since the merger, GPI has only designed one mold -- the PAULSON CHIPS advertising mold. It's the best compression-clay mold ever offered by anybody, bar none. (...and there's your on-topic "controversial chip opinion").
I often wonder what Paulson chips would have looked like without the influences of Bud Jones, Bill Christy, and Pat Sullivan. Even the Diamond and Web molds were purchased by Paulson, and not internally designed.
The internally-designed Paulson molds include the Reverse Hat & Cane (RHC), Lammer mold, ROULETTE mold, Alternating Hat & Cane (AHC, 36mm), Inverse Hat & Cane (IHC, 43mm), and Fat Hat & Cane (FHC, 48mm). Most casino house molds were designed based on customer specifications. Other relatively-recent home-market molds were customer-designed (Paradise, Card-Pip, etc.). The best the ex-owners of Paulson could do were the Flame and Sun molds at BCC.
Since the merger, GPI has only designed one mold -- the PAULSON CHIPS advertising mold. It's the best compression-clay mold ever offered by anybody, bar none. (...and there's your on-topic "controversial chip opinion").
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I do like the spots on plastic chips.... I just don't like the plastic chips themselves, high-end or otherwise.
Which is exactly why I have ceramic hybrid sets with unique spot patterns that could only be duplicated by a plastic chip, but without the associated high cost or excessive slippery-chip issues.
The Prestige and Petski designs are two great examples of interesting spot treatments not often found on plastic chips (and impossible with clays).
MeridianFC
Flush
For me the feel (weight and texture), look (depth of color), sound (that clack/thunk thing), and even smell of the Paulson TH&C style of chip is such qaulity that they could stick a poop emoji in between those rings and I'd still love it.
I would not be as psyched for Right Hand Poop Emoji though.
I would not be as psyched for Right Hand Poop Emoji though.
I’ll ping you when I break a rack of B&Gs to offer more samples.Thanks. I have never been interested in high end plastics like Matsui, BG & Co. Don't know why… I should get samples
ChipWhisperer
High Hand
People who are starting should use Versa Crown chips for their cash games and tournaments.
I like it a lot. I'm so addicted to the look of it that I had to start building a THC set after I sold off my last one. I think it's stunning. I don't particularly care that they're hats and canes, but the overall look is the best. THE BEST!
Huskerchipper
Flush
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with split edge spots on a custom clay chip. If you want perfection buy ceramics or plastic.
improviseallday
Flush
Nicely done, and if every chip is aligned like that, wow.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/sun-fly-43mm-polyinno.53006/post-1013213
Are Sunflys usually perfectly aligned?
Show that 3D printed tray please
Vendors on PCF should accept returns if you notifiy the vendor/seller within 24 hours of receiving chips (shipping to be paid by buyer)
People already impulse buy every TCR sale. It would be so much worse if people could change their mind and return.
Here is how it would go:
Oh wow, chips! Buy buy buy
<chips received>
Oh yeah, I don't like RHC because Im lame.
<return chips... once rhey are sure they cant flip for more $$>
No thanks!
What if the chips are not the condition advertised?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Then it's not controversial thread material - that's B*llshit thread material.
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All of this goes away if we simply determined objective condition standards for chips/descriptions.
You know, like other hobbies where millions of dollars are spent every year and condition highly matters.
And a feedback system that isn’t “Thumbs Up” or “Scarlet Letter”.
Strange that we intentionally keep everything so opaque.
You know, like other hobbies where millions of dollars are spent every year and condition highly matters.
And a feedback system that isn’t “Thumbs Up” or “Scarlet Letter”.
Strange that we intentionally keep everything so opaque.
louBdub
4 of a Kind
Proposal for objective rating system?
improviseallday
Flush
Here's my criteria.
- No missing chips
- Chips are in condition as described
- Secure packaging
- Good communication
- Fast shipping
But I think a simple thumbs up/down and text field is good enough.
merkong
Full House
Chips deserve to be seen. Maybe not all that controversial but it’s truth.
Historically, I was in the THC or bust camp. However, being exposed to, and getting some other molds has really broadened my appreciation beyond THC’s.
The old school H-Mold is one of the more underrated molds IMHO.
The old school H-Mold is one of the more underrated molds IMHO.
BarrieJ3
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No clue. That one specifically is more difficult because it’s limited by software.
Did a quick Google search for xenforo feedback system but didn’t see something that completely stood out but then again I’m not an owner and don’t have access to all their resources.
If I was just randomly choosing my own, something like the standard condition/shipped timely/communication and more importantly perhaps having a feedback window and not having it public during that window. I.e right now it’s a win/win or lose/lose - give someone negative feedback and you’re likely to get average or negative feedback in return.
Not sure what the solution is, mostly due to not knowing xenforo, but the feedback system is mostly useless as it stands today. All it does is show how many deals someone has done.
Edit: had prior unsent draft comment here lol but just noticed and deleted. Had nothing to do with quote
Proposal for objective rating system?
Proposal for objective rating system?
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Love the H Mold!
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I have no interest in the politics of feedback system and radically rebuilding that section of the site and culture.
I meant objective condition standards for chips
I meant objective condition standards for chips
improviseallday
Flush
It would be helpful if we had a some reference guide. For each condition, one face picture and one barrel picture. Mint / Excellent / Very Good / Good / Poor. Not for forcing every seller to use the same criteria, but to give beginners a useful reference, ideas for what to look for.
Guides exist, but they would be 100x better with face and barrel pictures.
- https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/poker-chip-condition-rating.72928/
- http://www.ccgtcc.com/education/conditions.pdf
BarrieJ3
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Super easy. Just agree and publish a standards list with photos.
These aren’t it but just an example.
Mint - unplayed, unused, unshuffled chips
Excellent + - not mint, but little to no sign of wear. “Mint like” or “mint lite”, no flea bites or nicks found anywhere
Excellent - not mint or unplayed. Cursory look shows no flea bites, but there may be other signs of use - a color transfer here or a nick they’re not viewable from a barrel perspective. Maximum of 5% of chips with examples “nick”
Great - used chips but limited aesthetic flaws. No rounding on edges, no major defects from play unless otherwise stated. Potential for “flea bites”, but not greater than 5% of chips.
So on and so forth. It’s pretty darn easy to build and apply a general concensus.
And the point is not to call someone out, “you said great condition but there are 6 chips with flea bites!”, but instead the fact that you could generally count on condition being close to an agreed upon description. Right now, everyone has WILDLY different interpretations.
These aren’t it but just an example.
Mint - unplayed, unused, unshuffled chips
Excellent + - not mint, but little to no sign of wear. “Mint like” or “mint lite”, no flea bites or nicks found anywhere
Excellent - not mint or unplayed. Cursory look shows no flea bites, but there may be other signs of use - a color transfer here or a nick they’re not viewable from a barrel perspective. Maximum of 5% of chips with examples “nick”
Great - used chips but limited aesthetic flaws. No rounding on edges, no major defects from play unless otherwise stated. Potential for “flea bites”, but not greater than 5% of chips.
So on and so forth. It’s pretty darn easy to build and apply a general concensus.
And the point is not to call someone out, “you said great condition but there are 6 chips with flea bites!”, but instead the fact that you could generally count on condition being close to an agreed upon description. Right now, everyone has WILDLY different interpretations.
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