Would love to see some Tiger Palace cards ... not sure what's the bets route or who is the better manufacturer for this... let's explore...
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COPAQ v KEM v others (3 Viewers)
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TheDuke
Full House
MOQ is usually 500-1000 per deck depending on manufacturer.
Pretty much a pipe dream to hit those quantities given people's preferences of poker vs bridge, index size, color, etc.
Pretty much a pipe dream to hit those quantities given people's preferences of poker vs bridge, index size, color, etc.
I mean if they could be sold to the community at cost, maybe we could get there. Probably need a generic back though, not tiger
Dal Negro, Fournier, and Cartamundi Belgium are probably the best options. Believe @desjgn has done business with Dal Negro and @Thomacetti has a direct line to Cartamundi Belgium.
Things may have changed, but last I heard was that Dal Negro and Fournier has a MOQ of 500 decks/color for custom orders. Cartamundi is likely more but I don't have an idea of their MOQ's.
TheDuke
Full House
Yeah, it would need to be a very generic design with wide appeal. And it would need to be a narrow offering of card size and index. Basically only 1 setup option.
I ran a modiano group buy at CT years ago. The MOQ was only 300 setups (600 decks in total) and we barely got there. This was near the peak of the poker boom. And that was only with the distributor agreeing to take on +100 setups as inventory. Group buy pricing was like $13 per setup. Later retailed for closer to $20.
That's likely the only way it happens. Have forum vendors taking on large quantities for their inventory.
I think a bright orange and blue setup would be optimal, something in high quality plastic, say like Angel Aristo Cards...
MOQ's may be a challenge. I remember speaking with Roxanna about a custom run and I think it was 1000/color MOQ. If one is going to try for Angel, go all out and go for their cellulose acetate line.
Right. Somebody tried one last year. He gave us way too many options to gauge interest to begin with - all the colors, all the backs, all the fronts. Then he took the most popular few options and asked us to vote on them for the final product. I spite-quit at that point because I didn’t love those options. So I imagine others did too. But if he had just presented one option to begin with, he might have gotten a lot more of us.
And yeah, you need a vendor on board who’s willing to make up the difference.
Roxy (as I call her in my head) explained these were the only options they had, I specified acetate, these are pvc, but I like them better than KEM as they seem more flexible and I've not heard of them bowing. These are my fav cards, and the colors are so vibrant, they feel like the Fournier, just slightly thinner to me
Likewise...
Tigers for the win. Leggo.
RagahRagah
Flush
I personally think Kem and Copag are both great but Kem are a little too loose and flimsy for my taste. Copag are much tighter yet still shuffle wonderfully and I love the nuances to the traditional design that make them seem just a bit fancy yet classic.
Most of the other brands mentioned here I simply don't like the design of so I've never bothered trying out.
Most of the other brands mentioned here I simply don't like the design of so I've never bothered trying out.
Better is subjective. If you prefer Fournier stock, they are not better. If you prefer Kem, they are.
I recall there being an issue with the lower spades being marked in some way under bright lights for the 2011 decks. I'll see if I can find the reference.
Edit: reference https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/kem-wsop-setups-new-15.88755/#post-1821806
Dang, and here I thought my premium Copag cards were the real deal! LOL I have much to learn... So the acetate brands are a much stiffer plastic and more durable?
Generally the opposite in my experience. But there’s no better or worse when it comes to stiffness or flexiness, nor is that characteristic connected to durability.
Based on reading PCF over the years, I think more people prefer a flexible card, like KEMs. But there are plenty of people who prefer a stiffer card that snaps. Neither are wrong.
Appreciate the response! What have I gotten myself into? I've been reading about chips non-stop for a week and have no clue what I'm looking for still, and now cards!? I thought I was buying the best when I came across Copags; certainly more than I ever spent on a deck of cards lol!
RagahRagah
Flush
I mean... I don't think the WSOP continuously uses them for nothing. Granted, Kem and Copag are the only 2 "premium" brands I've tried but I can't imagine anything feeling better than Copag.
And as the owner of several decks of both brands, the poster you are quoting suggesting that Copag are flimsier than Kem is just utterly preposterous.
Continuously? I think they’ve been using copags for like 5 years now, but I don’t think they were ever using copag before that. And FWIW, do you think the WSOP puts much thought into the quality of the cards? Or do think they just take the best deal they get?
Don’t get me wrong, Copags are fine cards. But they’ve always been on the cheaper end of high end plastics and I think that’s about right.
pokerplayingpisces
Full House
WSOP used Copags in 2005-2006? Before switching to USPCC, with Kems and Fourniers.
Also, the WSOP does not pay for any cards. They are provided by the card company as part of the rights of them being “the official card of the WSOP”. All useable cards are returned to the company when the WSOP is over, for resale.
Selling the old cards and the publicity is how the card companies justify providing the cards at no cost.
Don't look into Angel cards from Japan then............
RagahRagah
Flush
I understand that but I highly doubt they would use cards deemed substandard. Either way, Copags are the best overall I've seen for price, material and basic design. Eh, I just don't like funky designs on cards. I also only go for bridge size and far as I can tell Modiano Platinums don't come that way.
For my tastes, what would you recommend that is better?
If you like them, I wouldn’t suggest any other brand. I’m fact I might be switching to copags just for the price. Personally I love Kem because they’re a bit more textured and because they’re flexier.
But for the price difference, copag is good. But I just grabbed my copag setup - why do they smell so plasticky? I don’t remember copags smelling like that in the past.
RagahRagah
Flush
I haven't really noticed that steep a price difference between recommended brands have seen thus far. Even the Modianos I've seen don't seem outrageous considering it seems like a lot of a month in print anymore.
Modiano/davinci is probably still the cheapest. I’m not sure copag isn’t better for a couple bucks more at $18 a setup. You can’t get KEMs for under $30 these days. That’s significant.
RagahRagah
Flush
That's weird to me. Preferences, I guess... but Kem just seem way more flimsy to me. Not sure what players define quality by overall. I haven't noticed the smell you mentioned with the Copags yet.
It’s the copag exports - the full-bleed backs. First copags I’ve bought in years. Used them in a game a couple of months ago. Great cards. But serious smell. Which is forgotten about until I grabbed them today.
RagahRagah
Flush
So are there any brands that have acetate cards in bridge size?
Dal Negro used to have bridge size acetate cards, Modiano platinium are poker size exclusively
RagahRagah
Flush
These searches are exhausting, lol. Can anyone bail me out with a link here if they are still available? Lol.
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