CPC General discussion thread (8 Viewers)

[JeepologyOffroad]

Thoughts on DG Saturn on a DG Tiger $5 chip. It's a workhorse chip, so I need to LOVE it.

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That chip would be absolutely beautiful…. In sunlight or top notch lighting. Low or poor lighting and it will be a let down for a workhorse. DG yellow much safer here

 

[ChipMonster]

Thoughts on DG Saturn on a DG Tiger $5 chip. It's a workhorse chip, so I need to LOVE it.

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Dayglo yellow or dayglo arc yellow would work better. Mine has dayglo yellow base, tiger and peacock spots just so you can see colors on an actual live chip.

 

[Irish]

Thoughts on DG Saturn on a DG Tiger $5 chip. It's a workhorse chip, so I need to LOVE it.

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Go with DG Yellow and thank me later

That chip would be absolutely beautiful…. In sunlight or top notch lighting. Low or poor lighting and it will be a let down for a workhorse. DG yellow much safer here

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• Irish
• May 12, 2019

Barrel House Primary T1k

Saturn will look like chewed bubble gum with that combo....

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Go with DG Yellow and thank me later

I've been working on my lineup for a year or more. This conversation just got my attention, wondering if there is anywhere I could work in DG Saturn, since I don't have it anywhere in my lineup. I did previously have this chip with either Canary or DG Yellow, but I've used both those colors on other chips already. So just thinking I might be able to work in Saturn here.

 

[JMC9389]

I've been working on my lineup for a year or more. This conversation just got my attention, wondering if there is anywhere I could work in DG Saturn, since I don't have it anywhere in my lineup. I did previously have this chip with either Canary or DG Yellow, but I've used both those colors on other chips already. So just thinking I might be able to work in Saturn here.

Let's see the rest of the lineup

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

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• Irish
• May 12, 2019

Barrel House Primary T1k

Saturn will look like chewed bubble gum with that combo....

So you don't like the way this one turned out? It looks good in the pics.

That chip would be absolutely beautiful…. In sunlight or top notch lighting. Low or poor lighting and it will be a let down for a workhorse. DG yellow much safer here

So tell me what "top notch lighting" is. I'm in the process of designing my poker space right now. I can do whatever I want with lighting.

 

[Irish]

So you don't like the way this one turned out? It looks good in the pics.

It does look great. That's because it DG Yellow

DG Tiger base with DG yellow and DG Katy Perry, which is the combo being recommended (at least from a color perspective).

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

It does look great. That's because it DG Yellow

DG Tiger base with DG yellow and DG Katy Perry, which is the combo being recommended (at least from a color perspective).

Oops, my bad...

 

[Saoliver]

It does look great. That's because it DG Yellow

DG Tiger base with DG yellow and DG Katy Perry, which is the combo being recommended (at least from a color perspective).

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Let's see the rest of the lineup

Here is it using DG Yellow & Peacock on the DG Tiger base $5. Top row is 5c, 25c, $1 & $5. Bottom row is $20, $25, $100 & $500. Yes, that is a lot of denominations. I probably won't get all of them made. Except that recently I've been thinking a lot about playing limit poker, so who knows, I might even add a $2 chip. No set plan for when I might order these. Gotta get the poker room built out first.

I have an inlay also, but it's not on the CPC site anymore, so I guess I need to reload it. Here is an older iteration with inlay from @Johnny5 Before I started thinking I wanted the DG Tiger $5.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Thoughts on DG Saturn on a DG Tiger $5 chip. It's a workhorse chip, so I need to LOVE it.

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Too risky. Go DG yellow

 

[mipevi]

So tell me what "top notch lighting" is. I'm in the process of designing my poker space right now. I can do whatever I want with lighting.

You probably want something with a very high CRI.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

You probably want something with a very high CRI.

This is fascinating, I deal with coherent/incoherent acoustic attenuation but haven't worked in light before. Thanks for the thought.

 

[mipevi]

The kudos goes to @sleepypiggly for telling me about it, I had never even heard of CRI before then LOL.

 

[ChipMonster]

Lighting probably needs to be balanced for comfort and I’d argue that higher CRI isn’t necessarily better. Probably not worth lighting it up like a stark operating room just to make dayglo Saturn palatable.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

You probably want something with a very high CRI.

Thanks! Lots of data and science here! I will keep this in mind when I get to the lighting phase of the project.

Lighting probably needs to be balanced for comfort and I’d argue that higher CRI isn’t necessarily better. Probably not worth lighting it up like a stark operating room just to make dayglo Saturn palatable.

Did you read the link? You can have high CRI without having Ultra bright, Stark lighting.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Dayglo yellow or dayglo arc yellow would work better. Mine has dayglo yellow base, tiger and peacock spots just so you can see on actual chip.

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Sample set please and thanks!

 

[ChipMonster]

Did you read the link?

I skimmed it but got bored very quickly lol. I just know from household lighting that I liked incandescent daylight bulbs but can’t stand the LED ones of the same spectrum so I think a lot of it is just subjective.

 

[Gear]

I just know from household lighting that I liked incandescent daylight bulbs but can’t stand the LED ones of the same spectrum so I think a lot of it is just subjective.

(OK, not the entire point, but very much part of it)

 

[ChipMonster]

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(OK, not the entire point, but very much part of it)

Carry on then. I’m the first to admit that I don’t know shit about shit except not building a room around making dayglo Saturn look more appealing.

 

[Gear]

not building a room around making dayglo Saturn look more appealing.

I can't argue with that! Lighting is important, but I agree, designing your whole room around how one color will appear is a bit much.

 

[ChipMonster]

I can't argue with that! Lighting is important, but I agree, designing your whole room around how one color will appear is a bit much.

Also, I don’t know the science or psychology behind all of the lighting tricks but I’m sure different set ups work better in different applications despite CRI, light temperature, wattage, etc. I’m sure there are very interesting points of view but my original point is that while lighting might be “better” in a hospital vs an upscale restaurant, the lighting in a restaurant is going to make everyone feel more comfortable while still bringing out the colors of the food and cocktails and still make everyone look more attractive. I agree lighting is important, I just don’t know what makes one good vs the others except knowing it when I see it.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Leaded chips look better than clay chips, which look better than China clay which look better than dice chips.

To accomplish the test without lighting bias, I removed all light from the room and handled the chips in complete darkness.

...but I am still a huge supporter of Saturn Yellow when the lights are on.

 

[PlaidDragon]

To accomplish the test without lighting bias, I removed all light from the room and handled the chips in complete darkness.

Yes, but was there a cat in the room? It would only be a truly objective test if there was a cat in the room with a poker chip on his head:

 

[JMC9389]

Awesome chips!
Can you take a photo in sunlight?

Here's some in morning light

 

[maxim_666666]

Here's some in morning light View attachment 1405712View attachment 1405711

Cool chips!

 

[maxim_666666]

Thoughts on DG Saturn on a DG Tiger $5 chip. It's a workhorse chip, so I need to LOVE it.

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I wouldn't risk it...
All the guys are absolutely right..
Better change it! I had fresh color samples. And I gave DG-Saturn a chance, knowing that black would help make it brighter. But DG-Tiger would finish it off...
Bright sunny morning.

Look what you get...

To be honest, it looks good. But now I just turned my back to the window.

I'm at the other end of the room, which has a huge window that takes up the entire wall.

I don't think you'd dream of that with a workhorse.
And now DG-yellow. Without any torment with light. THE CHIP BASE WILL HAVE A STRONG INFLUENCE ON SATURN!

 

[PTS]

Dayglo yellow or dayglo arc yellow would work better. Mine has dayglo yellow base, tiger and peacock spots just so you can see colors on an actual live chip.

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That’s a CPC Dayglo yellow? Yellow arc? Apologies for my ignorance. That’s amazing whatever it is.

 

[ChipMonster]

That’s a CPC Dayglo yellow? Yellow arc? Apologies for my ignorance. That’s amazing whatever it is.

Thank you. Yes, it is dayglo yellow. If you go to the chip database section and then to search custom chips area you can actually filter by CPC yellows. It’s interesting to see how the different yellows look on different chips and even the same yellows may look a little different when they have different spots/inlays.

 

[Taghkanic]

Yes, and I'm claiming that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Spragg also previously claimed that TRK chips did not use heat in their manufacturing process and were "cold pressed" (utter nonsense).

If you want to know how chips are made, here is a link to a 24-page document that explains the entire manufacturing process and fabrication methods for all types of casino chips in great detail (link below). It talks about the material science, tooling, molds, die cutting, the moulding process, extrusion, the calendaring process, sheet cutting, compression PSIs used, compression temperatures, cure times, edge spot cutting and insertion, etc. Anything you'd ever want to know is pretty much in there. The document also has pictures taken from inside ASM/CPC and has diagrams taken from Paulson and TRK training materials in it.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3648279/game-counters-and-casino-chips-roulette-research

Here are a couple of relevant screenshots:


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Also, a few years back, someone posted a bunch of TRK chip order cards that they aquired from somewhere, some of which contain the materials/formula used for various colors/chips. The material listed in those formulas which makes up the majority of the volume of the chips was a dry vinyl thermoplastic. Here is one of those cards taken from a Boulder Club Casino order.

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The George Melas essay excerpted above appears to be the short version of a much longer 120-page paper he published, summarized as follows at rouletteresearch:

A Monograph on the evolution of game counters and casino chips. Keywords: Early gaming chips, Celluloid, Galalith, Decalcomania, Crest & Seal, Bakelite, Urea, Plaskon, Catalin, Plastic, Extruding, Calendering, Mould design, Compression moulding, Injection moulding process, Security features, Microdot, Phosphorus, Holograms, Diffraction Grating, Ultra Violate (UV), Binary tags, RFID and transponders, Chemical analysis, Dimensions, Counterfeits and Counterfeiting methods

It used to be available for purchase at his site, which went dark several years ago. Does anyone know if Melas is still alive? Anyone have a copy of the full version? I would be happy to buy a copy if he is still kicking.