Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (1 Viewer)
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Sure. But not for $140,000.
Look, let me start by saying — I don’t think there was cheating of the kind that was accused. If anything, maybe some information from a badly pitched card, but that’s not cheating, that’s unethical.
I’m friends with Garrett and Ryan, and I don’t know Robbi from Adam, and I’m still pretty squarely on the “she didn’t cheat” block.
That said, in that moment, I don’t think there’s anything better or different Ryan could have done. They’re not allowed to get involved in money disputes, or arbitrate them. In fact, it’s the casino floorperson that needs to do that. If Garrett says he wants to talk to him, he comes down. If he says, “I want to hear what Robbi has to say,” with nothing but seconds to decide, it seems reasonable that he stays part of that conversation.
But by Robbi’s own admission, Ryan stepped away when the money discussion happened. Watch from 2:01 here:
All that said, in hindsight, I’m sure both he and Garrett probably wish they had handled this differently. Adrenaline can do crazy things to judgment.
An investigation is all well and good, but she’s just a player who was in a game that was too big for her, and she made a crazy hero call. I don’t believe her J3 story; but I do believe that some weird voice in her head told her she was ahead, because I’ve had those voices on stream before. They’re incessant, and they’re loud. And stupid players like me sometimes follow their lead.
There’s no poker-based justification of the call because poker had nothing to do with the call.
I too wish he would return the money. In time, he might.
TheDuke
Full House
It's crazy how Robbi contradicts herself on so many elements.
Garrett's account differs from her. In his statement that he released that night, he wrote that "I took her up on her offer, Ryan neither encouraged nor discouraged her from doing so". Giving the impression Ryan was standing there for this discussion.
And didn't Ryan also contradict Garrett's side of the story on Ingram's podcast where he confirmed Robbi's account that Garrett asked for the money? Ryan would have had to been present to confirm Robbi's account of the money discussion.
B.C.
Straight
Garrett needs an independent voice (someone like a crisis manager) in his ear right now to help him navigate his way through/out of this. At this point, he has FAR more to lose than Robbi - irrespective of where anyone sits on cheating v's not cheating. IMO, no question the money has to be returned and if Garrett can do this with a logical, well-written, thoughtful public statement (maybe outlining game/industry integrity concerns, no intention to keep the money, no evidence of cheating in this instance - but has been burned in the past etc.) I think he maintains his current "goodwill" in the community and maybe even adds to his legacy as an industry leader/ambassador.
Failing to return the money and not making a suitable statement, I think his brand is forever tarnished - and for 135k in his world, 100% NOT worth it.
Galfond pretty much nailed it days ago in his tweets on the incident and to be honest, I'm surprised the money and a statement hasn't been forthcoming from Garrett at this point.
Failing to return the money and not making a suitable statement, I think his brand is forever tarnished - and for 135k in his world, 100% NOT worth it.
Galfond pretty much nailed it days ago in his tweets on the incident and to be honest, I'm surprised the money and a statement hasn't been forthcoming from Garrett at this point.
bergs
Royal Flush
I don’t know the guy personally like Krish does, but, to me, it seems like a pride thing now and he likely won’t be able to get over and do the right thing until the court of public opinion has already turned on him (which incidentally probably already happened the last couple days).
Instead of putting it in escrow or giving it back, he encouraged people to donate to a charity he supports. He could’ve just donated the $135K there. That would’ve been an OK look too, I suppose.
Dude needs a publicist. Ironic he’s in LA where you can’t shake a stick without hitting 3 of them.
Instead of putting it in escrow or giving it back, he encouraged people to donate to a charity he supports. He could’ve just donated the $135K there. That would’ve been an OK look too, I suppose.
Dude needs a publicist. Ironic he’s in LA where you can’t shake a stick without hitting 3 of them.
he did - he set the goal at $150k and made the first donation:
https://www.classy.org/campaign/garrett-adelstein-supports-big-brothers-big-sisters/c434250
B.C.
Straight
Not his money to donate - unless Robbi signed off on this, in lieu of it being returned.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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But three lefts do
So, I have to now change my vote, given the latest development.
Background: I know Bryan very well, as I almost always got to the livestreams early, and he’s one of the guys that helps you mike up.
One of the things they tell you to do is to NOT turn on and off your mic yourself, and to just let the dealer know you want to be muted. Bryan is one of the guys that mutes you when you request this.
When you’re muted, your mic pack moves to a red indicator light, from green.
Her not pressing charges is potentially indicative of him outing her for collusion with him, doesn’t make any sense. Him stealing money from her is potentially indicative of him being angry that she gave the money back, which would have been his cut. If his cut was 10%, $15k seems like an appropriate calculation of that from $135k.
The easiest indicator for that person to make a “call / fold” signal would be to mute / unmute that mic. I haven’t reviewed the hand to see if she looks at her mic pack, but it’s a decent theory.
Sigh.
Background: I know Bryan very well, as I almost always got to the livestreams early, and he’s one of the guys that helps you mike up.
One of the things they tell you to do is to NOT turn on and off your mic yourself, and to just let the dealer know you want to be muted. Bryan is one of the guys that mutes you when you request this.
When you’re muted, your mic pack moves to a red indicator light, from green.
Her not pressing charges is potentially indicative of him outing her for collusion with him, doesn’t make any sense. Him stealing money from her is potentially indicative of him being angry that she gave the money back, which would have been his cut. If his cut was 10%, $15k seems like an appropriate calculation of that from $135k.
The easiest indicator for that person to make a “call / fold” signal would be to mute / unmute that mic. I haven’t reviewed the hand to see if she looks at her mic pack, but it’s a decent theory.
Sigh.
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buffalojim
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buffalojim
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Sounds like the production guy thought she really didn't care about money so he helped himself. More fuel to the fire but doesn't prove anything one way or the other... yet.
It wasn’t the dealer. He was a member of the production team who apparently had access to the hole card footage (not confirmed yet).
buffalojim
Royal Flush
You are correct, my mistake! Fixed
It isnt proof of anything but cerainly shows there was other funny business going on. Based on this circumstantial new evidence I also change my vote.
buffalojim
Royal Flush
I'm not changing my vote but it certainly adds a wrinkle. I was bored with this but now I'm pulled back in.
This guy would have to know, especially after the controversy, that everything would be reviewed. He'd risk everything for $15k? Even if the supposed scam broke down, you could just run it back. That also ignores what's left in the deck, running it twice, etc. Unless they also know the deck.
To clarify, the person muting / unmuting players has real time access to the hole card footage as he is monitoring if people are getting up / sitting down, and also has to turn down certain players if he monitors the conversation isn’t interesting, or is muddying an otherwise interesting exchange.
The mike pack is the ONLY tech that’s on a person at any given time, and the muted / unmuted indicator is the perfect mechanism for a yes / no signal.
Again, all circumstantial.
I also know that every poker player knows if their stack is reduced by $15k if they’ve left the table and come back. I know by a margin of $500 at least, at all times. For someone who gave back $135k, it would have been even more evident. I wonder if she didn’t say anything because she figured he took it.
That's seems equally as likely as her not knowing her actual stack size, lol.
Another perspective is that he thinks the collaboration would be exposed, and this was his final chance to get some cash. He doesn’t make more than $50k per year at that job.
buffalojim
Royal Flush
So possible signaling using the mute light on the pack, is that where this is going?
LeLe
4 of a Kind
Likely this is not his first time? He might have help himself to some change chips every session. 5k here 1-2k there it all added up
It might not be even link to any cheating from the J4o incident, it just opportunities to steal money
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That helps the cheating allegation if true, but it doesn't explain knowing the deck. It could explain a shove on the flop.
I don’t think the deck needed to be known. He could have just indicated that she had equity to call.
I guess I would need to trust the alleged culprit to know my equity there.
He has full visibility of the equity because the software in front of him shows it in real time as an overlay.
Again, just a theory, but if there was tech to be used, this is the most likely one. And him being in control of it is interesting circumstantial evidence.
This has become quite the caper story.
chrismurda
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Seems like a job worthy for the World’s Greatest Detective!
Very true. The cynicism in me says this little siphoning may happen more than we like to think, and putting out a statement, and making a firing official is a bit of misdirection to show they're doing something, keep the conspiracy going, vindicate G, etc etc. At least someone is on top of their PR.
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