Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (2 Viewers)
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I’m leaning in that direction as well.
Because I’m otherwise having a hard time figuring out why people would back her.
But if that’s the case, I wonder if this has backfired. Because anybody who knows anything about poker thinks she’s an idiot. Otherwise she’s gained a lot of fame but it’s associated with cheating accusations - how good could that be?
But maybe even infamy can be monetized?
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H but hold on a second. The fame element that we’re talking about here is only as a big as it is because of the cheat/not cheat. Manufacturing that moment would require as much cheating.
Otherwise we’re left with, “is it worth dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into this chick, to create a famous poker chick who’s bad at poker, but has an image?”
I am not saying she reverse engineered this whole scenario. Her reckless play can be explained in other ways besides playing poker for profit. She may have just been looking to play speculative hands against G to get a moment in the limelight.
In other words her implied odds when playing speculative hands was much greater because she was playing for a bigger pot than what was on the poker table.
ninedeuce
Two Pair
That might be your response to winning that kind of pot on a misread hand, and maybe it was hers, too.
Maybe I think she "cheated" mostly because my response (and the responses I've seen from folks in similar situations) is so different.
My response is usually along the lines of "Holy sh*t! OMG I totally thought I had a pair there, I misread my cards!"
I say "cheated" because I don't think we're talking "hacking the RFID system or livestream" level. Partially because those explanations involve a lot of outside actors/complications (violating Occam's Razor), and partially because we'd likely see more of a pattern from her.
But I do think she had some increased level of information about Garrett's cards in this particular hand. It could range anywhere from him having a tell she's picked up on (not cheating!), to actually having seen his cards herself (not cheating, but shady!), to another player (likely Rip) signaling to her that information (cheating!).
For those folks who note that if she was cheating, this would be the dumbest spot to do it with, my take is this situation is less like a planned heist and more like a petty thief who makes a hasty, not fully considered decision to grab the cash from an unguarded Brinks truck.
Update! I watched (and rewatched) the hand in real time again, and noted a few things:
- Garrett protected his hand pretty well, highly unlikely anyone saw his cards once he had them
- She sounds pretty honest when she says "I just want to call to see it!"
- She exchanges a bunch of smiles/glances in Rip's direction once she calls
Maybe my issue is that I really like and respect Garrett (consummate, gracious pro) and really don't like Robbi (no class, in pretty much every respect) and that's led me to side with Garrett. Also, watching the hand for the first time, it was in the frame of "was this cheating or not?!", so was sensitive to anything that might seem odd (vs just watching it in real time with no other context).
I guess for me after watching the hand a few more times, it seems more likely that she's just a very different person from me (way less rational, way more money, way less f*cks given) living a very different life making very different decisions than that she's playing the hand with specific info about any of the cards.
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ekricket
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But but but money
She obviously is not there to make money. That’s not her motivator. Fameseek is written all over her appearance.
Who gives back money? Someone whose not there for the money.
Who asks for their gambling winnings back? Helpless gambling addicts. That guy obviously needs to go to gambling anon and stop his self destructive behavior. I would compare him to Stu Unger but even in the depths of his drug and alcohol destruction Stu honored his debts as best he could.
If you can’t voluntarily pay your gambling debts then you are a deadbeat pure and simple and should be barred from any legitimate gambling establishment or game.
MeridianFC
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You can’t be the worst player on PCF because you never come to the Worst Player on PCF meetings and I should know because I am the president.
buffalojim
Royal Flush
Well stated.
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joepro
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These type of hands happen all the time in high stakes games! Obviously it’s a sick call, but I don’t think cheating. She was a favorite in the hand and she won. I think she was on tilt from being pushed around and just didn’t want to fold. She’s not on the level of Ivey, Dwan, or even G Man, but she’s seen the 8 high bluffs in those games. Check this one out, I know these guys are degens but it’s a similar situation!
It was a crazy hand but not similar at all. Rui Cao shoved against Dwan. While his shove was relatively small to the bet he still had fold equity.
Robbi called Garrets All In, a massive overbet 2,5x the pot, with jack high no draws...
Very very different.
ekricket
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So he could have possibly been cheating? Maybe he’s better at it so he picks spots they don’t stick out as much? It’s as crazy as any of the other theories out there.
I didn't say anything about cheating or not. How should I know! I am just saying it's a ridiculous stupid call by Robbi either way.
In thinking through it, Garrett asking for a refund because he don’t like it is angle shooting. I would rather have seen the entire pot placed into escrow pending and investigation, and awarding it to the determined winning player subsequent to that.
WedgeRock
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FordPickup92
Royal Flush
I’ve really been working out lately!
ES_Threeper
Pair
I initially voted Yes to cheating, having only watched the hand in question. Simply because the play makes no sense unless you somehow have some information that your J high is best in this spot.
I've now watched the entire stream and in my opinion I see no evidence of cheating. The hand looks fishy because she plays most of her hands with what appears to be a rudimentary understanding of poker theory.
I've now watched the entire stream and in my opinion I see no evidence of cheating. The hand looks fishy because she plays most of her hands with what appears to be a rudimentary understanding of poker theory.
grebe
Full House
Damn I didn’t know he was still alive much less on air. Good for him. I listened for about 10 years until I discovered podcasts.
Does he still have the hyena cackle?
MeridianFC
Flush
Bam!
You guys see this?
JustDogbert
Two Pair
I went with "no" on the cheating, because that literally makes zero sense. Who would setup the whole cheating infrastructure (hack the feed, vibrator, whatever, etc.) to get it in as a dog and then run it twice? No one, not one thief ever.
I've seen enough of arguing it from her having to justify her call, let's try looking at it the other way.
The facts are simple:
You have Garret, who plays too many hands and speeds around the table constantly come over the top of her min raise with a 6x re-raise which was 3x the pot size at the time too. That doesn't sound much like a "value bet" to me, looks like he's begging not to get called.
Then she makes a terrible call and that should be the end of the story (i.e. Garret got caught speeding).
But no, they run it twice (what, the cheaters "know" the next 4 cards in the deck in order
, that's not how a stack of RFID's work) and therefore G loses both (which will happen about 1 in 4 times).
If I understanding it correctly, they stole the money from her and gave it back to Garret? If that is true, that was a criminal act, I wouldn't gamble a nickel in that joint.
I've seen enough of arguing it from her having to justify her call, let's try looking at it the other way.
The facts are simple:
You have Garret, who plays too many hands and speeds around the table constantly come over the top of her min raise with a 6x re-raise which was 3x the pot size at the time too. That doesn't sound much like a "value bet" to me, looks like he's begging not to get called.
Then she makes a terrible call and that should be the end of the story (i.e. Garret got caught speeding).
But no, they run it twice (what, the cheaters "know" the next 4 cards in the deck in order
, that's not how a stack of RFID's work) and therefore G loses both (which will happen about 1 in 4 times). If I understanding it correctly, they stole the money from her and gave it back to Garret? If that is true, that was a criminal act, I wouldn't gamble a nickel in that joint.
Samuel
Straight
Garrett metal detectors have been around for a Long time but that IS Funny!
Where the heck did you get that? that’s not even remotely close to what happened. The casino nor HCL were involved in any post hand dealings.
JustDogbert
Two Pair
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But yeah, get all agro, that will win you friends.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/ro...oker-clash-invesitgation-lawsuit-cheating-hcl
But yeah, get all agro, that will win you friends.
TheDuke
Full House
Maybe a bit of mental gymnastics.
Garrett summoned Ryan Feldman. Ryan Feldman summoned Ronni. They had a impromptu discussion.
She enters the discussion thinking everything is ok. Garrett levels the accusation she cheated. Per Garrett, Ryan let's her know 'she's about to go viral'.
She's now panicked. She's scared. She asks what she can do. Garrett says give me my money back. She complies because she feels she has to do it.
There's a power imbalance from Ronni's point of view. Her (new player) vs the show co-owner and the star of the show.
While HCL wants to claim they had no involvement, Ryan Feldman's presence at that discussion precludes that.
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LeLe
4 of a Kind
+1
When I watching the stream the first time, I thought she was cheating for sure because she returns the money back.
But having know how it happen afterwards, it totally understandable she felt “pressured” into returning the money.
This is similar to be like in an ongoing investigation where the police and the other party are seating at the other side of the table
People who still think the casino is not involved is being biased, Ryan shouldn’t even be in there in the first place when 3 person are in the discussion. Nit V however did point that and apologise Ryan shouldn’t have been involved Later on which is a plus point to the stream
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