SOLD ENDED...Small BTP Tourney Set (180 chips) (3 Viewers)

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I love how this has become a shill controversy... my first auction and I have been on pcf for years... this sounds more like sour grapes to ruin a btp sale
lol, dat crazy talk. :D

I've long been very vocal about the impropriety of bid retractions, period. Makes no difference who, or for what. It's bad business.

Afaic, get as much $$ for those chipes as you can, and so long as it's legit, good for you. And I'm not saying this wasn't, but the buyer's actions/words were certainly improper.
 
I love how this has become a shill controversy... my first auction and I have been on pcf for years... this sounds more like sour grapes to ruin a btp sale
Can’t obviously speak for everyone but I certainly wasn’t thinking anyone involved in the btp buy was shilling.

But it’s concerning when a noob runs an auction up and then tries to cancel all bids. I’m bidding on another btp auction right now and I just want to be able to trust the process.

My comments were entirely aimed at him and I in no way want to tie you or any other btp buyers to his actions.
 
lol, dat crazy talk. :D

I've long been very vocal about the impropriety of bid retractions, period. Makes no difference who, or for what. It's bad business.

Afaic, get as much $$ for those chipes as you can, and so long as it's legit, good for you. And I'm not saying this wasn't, but the losing bidder's buyer's actions/words were certainly improper.

Fixed your post Dave...
 
I hate that it happened.. whether it was a joke or not. I would hope it was just poor taste as I have avoided all the controversies in pcf :) ... but saying retracting all bids is bad
 
Let me set the record straight. I never back out of an auction that I have won, nor do I ever back out of a deal. I think all who have traded with me in the last two years can attest to my dealings. I already paid Chris for this auction, so there is no issue on my end regarding reneging on my bid.

The auction rules have been modified a few times. There was always an issue with when the last bid was posted and how the auction would or would not get extended, etc., which created multiple controversies. Recent changes in the listing template have improved the process. However, if auctions are to continue on PCF, especially for highly valued racks/sets, I am hoping that @Tommy and the higher-ups discuss how to continue to improve the process.

I do, however, believe that new rules can be set in place wherein you must have certain number of posts, or even better, a minimum number of positive reviews to be able to bid on auctions.

Lastly, to my friend and comrade @Changster ...How you conducted yourself in this auction was in poor taste and with questionable etiquette. trying to psyche out a bidder is one thing, but trying to cancel your previous bids, even jokingly, is just unconscionable. Regardless of whether you had seen my higher bid before posting, or not, the fact that you actually thought about and wrote a post stating all your previous bids are null and void is disturbing.

And for those defending such behavior by asking light of the situation, including a couple of my dear trading friends in this thread, regardless of how jokingly @Changster may have acted, there is no room for even remotely suggesting that such shady behavior should be tolerated on PCF, period.

P.S. I already see that @Changster is bidding on tomorrow's auction...hopefully he decides to do the right thing and edit his bid.
 
Lastly, to my friend and comrade @Changster ...How you conducted yourself in this auction was in poor taste and with questionable etiquette. trying to psyche out a bidder is one thing, but trying to cancel your previous bids, even jokingly, is just unconscionable. Regardless of whether you hjad seen my higher bid before posting, or not, the fact that you actually thought about and wrote a post starting all your previous bids are null and void is disturbing.

And for those defending such behavior by asking light of the situation, including a couple of my dear trading friends in this thread, regardless of how jokingly @Changster may have acted, there is no room for even remotely suggesting that such shady behavior should be tolerated on PCF, period.

Understood and I apologize again. Very very sorry. And yes I'm a noob, participating on PCF auctions for the first time. Not an excuse though.
 
P.S. I already see that @Changster is bidding on tomorrow's auction...hopefully he decides to do the right thing and edit his bid.

Edit it how? Want me to take it off? I'll do whatever man, I don't HAVE to have it. It just won't be good for the seller though? Is he gonna complain?
 
On the other hand, nothing to prevent auction sellers from refusing bids from certain members, for whatever reasons, stated or not.

Possible shill/shady bidders are on my DNS list, and that includes auctions.

I could be wrong, but I thought this was not allowed. Wasn’t there an auction shut down that was only open one political party?
 
Perhaps, but if so, more likely due to political content than participant restrictions.
 
sellers can exclude people from their auction. otherwise they are expected to honor the max bid.
 
Retract a bid in an auction that has action? Oh hell no! NEVER
 
how does one state who is not allowed to participate. If they are free to disregard bids in real time as they choose, then that’s pretty shady as well.
 
Shady how? They are only costing themselves money.
 
Shady how? They are only costing themselves money.

I guess this is why eBay has a mechanism in place to try and be fair to both the buyer and seller.

Let’s say a no reserve auction here for this set somehow (purely theoretical) ended up with a winning bid of 100 bucks and the seller refuses to sell. What then?

You can substitute 100 for like 1400, it doesn’t matter. Say seller thinks 1400 is too low and says sorry I’m not selling to you.
 
Why would you list chips in an auction, then sell them to your buddy at something less than top bid? Why woildn't you just sell them to him in the first place? Ridiculous argument.
 
Maybe. The auctions over. I wasn’t trying to make it a political argument, but I thought auctions have to be open to all members and was using that as an example. It is somewhat relevant based off previous comments

Sorry I was trying to post pics in the AK meetup thread. :confused
 
Why would you list chips in an auction, then sell them to your buddy at something less than top bid? Why woildn't you just sell them to him in the first place? Ridiculous argument.

That’s not what I’m describing. The difference between top bid and second can be $5 or even $1. Your saying I can run an auction and at any point chime in and say “sorry but this person’s bids don’t count”
That’s ridiculous imo. Let the auction run and then decide who should get the chips?
 
BS, Scott. It's EXACTLY what you posted in #72 above.
 
BS, Scott. It's EXACTLY what you posted in #72 above.

Dave, you asked how it could be shady, I gave you an example.

If your top bid was 100 and the second bid was 99, and I say Dave’s bids don’t count because I would rather see chips go the the other person, then that is shady as fuck, and I should not be allowed to auction any more chips ever. If you don’t see any issue with that because you think the seller should be able to pick and choose who they auction to, then so be it.

Good night.
 
Why would you list chips in an auction, then sell them to your buddy at something less than top bid? Why woildn't you just sell them to him in the first place? Ridiculous argument.

It’s ridiculous to you but there are multitudes of reasons why both a buyer and seller would withdraw their bids/offers. Again this is why eBay has rules for both the buyer and seller. If you transact on that platform, you follow their rules.

It’s just about deciding some official PCF ground rules. If the official PCF auction rules state bidders can’t retract but sellers can reject bids/bidders at their discretion, then so be it.
 
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