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Has anyone had KK before and folded preflop and was correct, that the villain had AA against you?
I experienced multiple times that I have KK and we go raise - 3 bet - 4 bet - all in but no matter which hand it was I could not fold KK preflop and got crushed by aces.
If anyone could share some tips on how to evaluate if folding KK preflop ever makes sense?

Thank you all in advance!
 
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I've folded KK pre probably 10-12 times. Mostly online.

Most recently a couple months ago at a big 1/3 game.

Action player giving away money raises to 30 in a straddled pot. Tight player on button raises to 80. I 4 bet to 240 from SB with 900 behind. Action player raises to 450. Tight player jams. I fold after 5 seconds of chuckling. They get it in. AA vs A3s.
 
Legend5555 said:
I've folded KK pre probably 10-12 times. Mostly online.

Most recently a couple months ago at a big 1/3 game.

Action player giving away money raises to 30 in a straddled pot. Tight player on button raises to 80. I 4 bet to 240 from SB with 900 behind. Action player raises to 450. Tight player jams. I fold after 5 seconds of chuckling. They get it in. AA vs A3s.
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6b jam 300b+ deep is definitely a KK fold spot.
 
joeyshin said:
I have at @ConsensualPresidency game. He was drunk and was like “shin I got you. Trust me I got you”. I had KK and was like “you sure?” And he insisted so I folded. He showed me his AA
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I’ve come to the conclusion I play the dumbest, most profitable poker when I’m drunk enough not to remember.
 
FTJack said:
Has anyone had KK before and folded preflop and was correct, that the villain had AA against you?
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Yes. But only in games where:
- I knew the players well and
- I've played against the opponent in multiple sessions before and I knew a) they weren't the type of play to get out of line with 3 bets, 4 bets, or 5 bets preflop, and b) they almost never or never bluffed (or at least never been caught bluffing).
- Stack sizes were deep enough to get away after being 3 bet, 4 bet, or 5 bet (i.e. let's say each player's stack around 150 big blinds or more)

If I was playing in a random casino or online game (which I don't do anymore), where I don't know the players at all, and my stack size may be around 120 big blinds or less, I can't recall ever folding KK preflop.

Also, KK still has 18% equity vs. AA. So if you've already committed most of your stack, and if there also a slim chance the opponent is shoving with a hand like AK suited, or maybe even QQ, or the other two Kings. Then you may have the odds to call.
 
AWenger said:
Yes. But only in games where:
- I knew the players well and
- I've played against the opponent in multiple sessions before and I knew a) they weren't the type of play to get out of line with 3 bets, 4 bets, or 5 bets preflop, and b) they almost never or never bluffed (or at least never been caught bluffing).
- Stack sizes were deep enough to get away after being 3 bet, 4 bet, or 5 bet (i.e. let's say each player's stack around 150 big blinds or more)

If I was playing in a random casino or online game (which I don't do anymore), where I don't know the players at all, and my stack size may be around 120 big blinds or less, I can't recall ever folding KK preflop.

Also, KK still has 18% equity vs. AA. So if you've already committed most of your stack, and if there also a slim chance the opponent is shoving with a hand like AK suited, or maybe even QQ, or the other two Kings. Then you may have the odds to call.
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Yes, this^^^. I did once in my old Thursday night league. Again, players that I know very well. There were 3 of us, and I knew 1 player had to be holding aces. I fold, other 2 players get it all in. Aces hold vs pocket 8s (I wouldn’t have improved). I went on to win the tourney. Again, only in the right situation, where I’m very familiar with all the players. Probably never in a cash game. Just push, go broke, and reload! :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Once that I remember. It was against a very tight player that I'd played with a lot who raised, then four bet my re-raise. He showed AA and I showed my KK. He was pissed.

EDIT: Also this was a tourney where I was covered. I can't imagine doing it in a cash game.
 
FTJack said:
Has anyone had KK before and folded preflop and was correct, that the villain had AA against you?
I experienced multiple times that I have KK and we go raise - 3 bet - 4 bet - all in but no matter which hand it was I could not fold KK preflop and got crushed by aces.
If anyone could share some tips on how to evaluate if folding KK preflop ever makes sense?

Thank you all in advance!
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Honest answer, no. I know I have called it off in a couple spots where I have run into AA, and another spot where I ran into 77.

I absolutely could see being in a spot against a tight 5-better where I could fold this pre, but it would be really player dependent and I would have to be sure of my read.

There are also money-ladder spots where I would think KK would be a routine fold if two players are all in before me and I stand to make a ladder jump no matter what, even if KK ends up being the best hand. That's just one of those quirks about tournaments.

Late edit: I also realize as part of my overall strategy, I often use KK as a flatting hand against 3-bets since I know I tend to call 3-bets fairly widely if I'm already opening pretty wide.
 
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Legend5555 said:
I've folded KK pre probably 10-12 times. Mostly online.

Most recently a couple months ago at a big 1/3 game.

Action player giving away money raises to 30 in a straddled pot. Tight player on button raises to 80. I 4 bet to 240 from SB with 900 behind. Action player raises to 450. Tight player jams. I fold after 5 seconds of chuckling. They get it in. AA vs A3s.
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Yeah tight player 5-bet-jamming over two players pretty much has to be AA. Definitely assign extra strength to tight players going after it in multi-way pots.
 
I folded KK multiple time online at Zoom / Rush&Cash micro stake NL10 where people only 4! 5! with KK+ but never on live poker before.

I did folded QQ before at live poker thou
 
Schmendr1ck said:
Ooh! Ooh! I can play this one - I've folded kings three times that I remember in low stakes NLHE cash games, and each time I was shown aces.

I only remember doing it once in a tournament.

Early in the SatP main event this past April, I was playing a hand against @BootySnatcher and everybody was still very deep. IIRC he opened UTG, player in MP raised, I 4-bet, and @BootySnatcher 5-bet shoved into both of us. After the other player snap-folded, I tanked for a bit, sighed, and did the same. I showed my kings, and he showed me the aces I knew he had.
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I've folded KK at least 6 or 7 times, both cash and tourney. In all but 1 case, I was either shown the aces or verbally confirmed.

In 2 cases I snap-folded it face-up.

It's not that hard a hand to fold when the situation calls for it.
 
I've never folded KK pre. I get them 1 in every 321 hands -100 than I should be getting them. Seeing J4 off suit most of the night, I'm not quitting.

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I clicked the wrong gif from WOWS, but that one works as well here.
 
Lunettesman said:
I remember reading in Harrington on hold'em that there are some rare situation in tournament s bubble where folding AA is the correct move.
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Would be a special set of circumstances. Many committing to the hand, perhaps. But that is less likely on the bubble since play tightens.
 
drdr said:
Would be a special set of circumstances. Many committing to the hand, perhaps. But that is less likely on the bubble since play tightens.
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The bubble of tournament where you get an entry to another tournament (satellite?). Don't remember the name in English. If I remember the hand well, it was something like beeing the short stack while there are 2 all in and you d have to call with AA.
 
Outside of the above mentioned tournament scenarios I can't imagine it.

I forget who said it, but the quote is something along the lines of "if you don't go broke with Kings, you played them wrong"
 

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