Guns you own (9 Viewers)

[Sprouty]

Here is a question, is a double action revolver a semi automatic handgun???

I pondered this last night and couldn't come up with a solution.

 

[Trihonda]

A great answer to “what pistol should I buy” and other great advice. If you are unfamiliar with Lucas from TRex Arms he is one of the most respected and best shooters in the industry. If you want to see a dude who can really shoot watch this kids videos.

I was not a fan of them at first... I was...”forced” into carrying Glocks, and ditching my beloved Sig platform, and was salty at the prospect of carrying gun I wasn’t a fan of... BUT the Glock won me over (for all the reasons in this video). I’ve tried to introduce others into my daily carry arsenal, but Glock keeps emerging on top.

 

[joeyshin]

“What pistol should I buy?”

 

[Old State]

I was not a fan of them at first... I was...”forced” into carrying Glocks, and ditching my beloved Sig platform, and was salty at the prospect of carrying gun I wasn’t a fan of... BUT the Glock won me over (for all the reasons in this video). I’ve tried to introduce others into my daily carry arsenal, but Glock keeps emerging on top.

What I like most about the video is actually his logic behind choosing a weapon. Reliability trumps EVERYTHING else. I agree that the typical gun shop/fudd advice of seeing “which gun feels good in your hand“ is pretty illogical for a defensive weapon. A gun could fit like a glove but if it doesn’t go bang when you need it it doesn’t matter. Also that people need to get some training and practice. A box of ammo in a shooting stall every couple months doesn’t do much

There are other reliable pistols out there but one can not overlook the fact that the Glock (especially the 19) has become the go to pistol for people who work on the most dangerous of “two way ranges” and shoot 10s of thousands of rounds a year training.

I actually don’t own a Glock. Main reason is they lack a thumb safety option back when I transitioned to my first modern service pistol I wanted the option to carry in an appendix holster. I realize there are tons of pretty high speed guys that do it but I’m not one of them and I’m not confident in it. It just takes one moment of carelessness where a piece of shirt tail gets in between the trigger while reholstering. This is why I invested in the M&P platform. Outside of appendix carry I’m fine without a TS.

Theoretically speaking I don’t see the need for a thumb safety if you are new to pistols or never used one. It might even be a liability. I was very familiar with 1911s before I modernized so switching it off was already in my muscle memory.

 

[Jambine]

What pistol should I buy?

nothing wrong with a single shot hand cannon

 

[TomC727]

What I like most about the video is actually his logic behind choosing a weapon. Reliability trumps EVERYTHING else. I agree that the typical gun shop/fudd advice of seeing “which gun feels good in your hand“ is pretty illogical for a defensive weapon. A gun could fit like a glove but if it doesn’t go bang when you need it it doesn’t matter. Also that people need to get some training and practice. A box of ammo in a shooting stall every couple months doesn’t do much

There are other reliable pistols out there but one can not overlook the fact that the Glock (especially the 19) has become the go to pistol for people who work on the most dangerous of “two way ranges” and shoot 10s of thousands of rounds a year training.

I actually don’t own a Glock. Main reason is they lack a thumb safety option back when I transitioned to my first modern service pistol I wanted the option to carry in an appendix holster. I realize there are tons of pretty high speed guys that do it but I’m not one of them and I’m not confident in it. It just takes one moment of carelessness where a piece of shirt tail gets in between the trigger while reholstering. This is why I invested in the M&P platform. Outside of appendix carry I’m fine without a TS.

Theoretically speaking I don’t see the need for a thumb safety if you are new to pistols or never used one. It might even be a liability. I was very familiar with 1911s before I modernized so switching it off was already in my muscle memory.

I‘m not a Glock fanboy nor a Glock hater. I personally feel the most ideal sized handgun is the Glock 19. I have one issue with his video and that is the thought of how a handgun feels in someone’s hand. In today’s modern firearm technology, the vast majority of the striker-fired Handguns will go bang when you pull the trigger and are just as reliable as a Glock. So to pick Glock based on reliability while ignoring comfort is ignoring other major manufacturers. With all things equal in terms of reliability, comfort is a huge preference to a lot of shooters. Sig, Ruger, Springfield, Smith and Wesson, to name a few, make high quality, reliable firearms.

Yes, Glock is in the hands of the vast majority of law enforcement, but this is also because of how Glock was marketing itself. The Sig M17 (p320 civilian model) is now the Army sidearm and is just as reliable. Special forces operators carry the Glock 19. Nothing wrong with either.

Truth be told, my Sig p320 is far more comfortable, more acurate, and just as every bit as reliable compared to my Glock 17. My issue on why both aren’t my favorite is size. The Sig p320 compact is too wide and boxy and the 17 is a full size hand gun, hence why I say it again, the Glock 19 is the perfect handgun for multiple reasons in my opinion.

It comes down to personal preference.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Here is a question, is a double action revolver a semi automatic handgun???

to me no, the hammer is not cocked after firing each round like it is with a hammer fired semi-auto. It doesn’t have the short reset that a striker fired semi auto has after firing a round.

a revolver has the same full heavy mushy trigger with a ton of take up before it fires. There is no difference between the first shot and the last shot.

 

[WedgeRock]

a revolver has the same full heavy mushy trigger with a ton of take up before it fires. There is no difference between the first shot and the last shot.

My revolver does not have a mushy trigger (but does have alot more weight than a typical semi-auto pistol).

Also, there is a difference between the first shot (where the cylinder spins until another round is ready to be fired) and the last shot (where the cylinder spins to an empty chamber.

 

[Jambine]

No mushy trigger here (.357 Ruger GP-100)

 

[Old State]

I‘m not a Glock fanboy nor a Glock hater. I personally feel the most ideal sized handgun is the Glock 19. I have one issue with his video and that is the thought of how a handgun feels in someone’s hand. In today’s modern firearm technology, the vast majority of the striker-fired Handguns will go bang when you pull the trigger and are just as reliable as a Glock. So to pick Glock based on reliability while ignoring comfort is ignoring other major manufacturers. With all things equal in terms of reliability, comfort is a huge preference to a lot of shooters. Sig, Ruger, Springfield, Smith and Wesson, to name a few, make high quality, reliable firearms.

Yes, Glock is in the hands of the vast majority of law enforcement, but this is also because of how Glock was marketing itself. The Sig M17 (p320 civilian model) is now the Army sidearm and is just as reliable. Special forces operators carry the Glock 19. Nothing wrong with either.

Truth be told, my Sig p320 is far more comfortable, more acurate, and just as every bit as reliable compared to my Glock 17. My issue on why both aren’t my favorite is size. The Sig p320 compact is too wide and boxy and the 17 is a full size hand gun, hence why I say it again, the Glock 19 is the perfect handgun for multiple reasons in my opinion.

It comes down to personal preference.

There are certainly others and I carry an M&P. That said I don’t think it’s about marketing....especially for the military. Some of these elite military units can literally choose any weapon they want. They regularly T&E weapons and equipment from dozens of manufacturers. It been said that there are SEAL teams that shoot more ammo in training each year than the entire USMC does! These units repeatedly choose Glocks over everything else made. When people who individually shoot 10000 rounds a month go back to the same weapons over and over I think it’s worth paying attention too.

Also, the way “big army” chooses verses these units is very different. Of course there is a reliability factor but price and other specific features play a huge roll. The Army is buying pistols for the average soldier where the sidearm is usually issued only when rifles can’t be carried. They also are barely trained on them.

That said, in the latest pistol trial the Sig and Glock were the only pistols to make it to the last stage (Many of the brands you mentioned submitted and failed..including S&W) ...however the choice of Sig is highly controversial

See here is you are interested in the entire story

 

[Old State]

to me no, the hammer is not cocked after firing each round like it is with a hammer fired semi-auto. It doesn’t have the short reset that a striker fired semi auto has after firing a round.

a revolver has the same full heavy mushy trigger with a ton of take up before it fires. There is no difference between the first shot and the last shot.

I was kinda joking around based on the hotdog comment. Officially to be considered “semi automatic” I believe the weapon must cycle, re cock, and eject a spent cartridge using the recoil or gas from the fired cartridge. A double action revolver requires the movement of your finger to move the cylinder and it doesn’t eject the spent casing.

I still like to point DA revolvers out to anti gun folk who don’t understand how guns function and think a revolver is somehow less dangerous than a semi auto pistol based in how they look....and that semi autos are rare and dangerous. If you include DA revolvers, basically every pistol made is some type of semi auto.

 

[12thMan]

I’m pretty sure a semi automatic is defined as using the power of a fired cartridge to chamber the next and recock the weapon. Or something like that. Or not at all if I’m remembering incorrectly.

edit: @Old State beat me to it.
For me I like to show people a 10-22 and an AR15 and let them know that in my state both are considered “assault weapons” lol

 

[Jambine]

I still like to point DA revolvers out to anti gun folk who don’t understand how guns function and think a revolver is somehow less dangerous than a semi auto pistol based in how they look

I was able to shoot a new S&W 500 last week. OMG !!! not dangerous at all

 

[TomC727]

There are certainly others and I carry an M&P. That said I don’t think it’s about marketing....especially for the military. Some of these elite military units can literally choose any weapon they want. They regularly T&E weapons and equipment from dozens of manufacturers. It been said that there are SEAL teams that shoot more ammo in training each year than the entire USMC does! These units repeatedly choose Glocks over everything else made. When people who individually shoot 10000 rounds a month go back to the same weapons over and over I think it’s worth paying attention too.

Also, the way “big army” chooses verses these units is very different. Of course there is a reliability factor but price and other specific features play a huge roll. The Army is buying pistols for the average soldier where the sidearm is usually issued only when rifles can’t be carried. They also are barely trained on them.

That said, in the latest pistol trial the Sig and Glock were the only pistols to make it to the last stage (Many of the brands you mentioned submitted and failed..including S&W) ...however the choice of Sig is highly controversial

See here is you are interested in the entire story

There is a ton of anti-Sig bias out there when it came to the Army sidearm bid. Glock even filed a lawsuit - that was tossed. When the P320 was initially introduced, it was rumored to be the future sidearm of the army because of its modular design, and what the Army was requesting in the search for the replacement of the M9.

It’s very ergonomically pleasing, just a little too boxy and wide to carry comfortably. Now if I was a LEO, I would probably pick the 320 as my duty carry because of its comfort and accuracy. To each their own.

Again, those operators carry the 19, which if I could choose the ideal sidearm, it would be the exact same one.

And again, Glock has cornered the law enforcement community with very savvy marketing. Hell, for the firearm illiterate, Glock is a reference to any hangun, because the illiterate don’t realize it’s actually a brand.

For all the posters on this thread. I LOVE IT. Great conversations.

 

[Old State]

There is a ton of anti-Sig bias out there when it came to the Army sidearm bid. Glock even filed a lawsuit - that was tossed. When the P320 was initially introduced, it was rumored to be the future sidearm of the army because of its modular design, and what the Army was requesting in the search for the replacement of the M9.

It’s very ergonomically pleasing, just a little too boxy and wide to carry comfortably. Now if I was a LEO, I would probably pick the 320 as my duty carry because of its comfort and accuracy. To each their own.

Again, those operators carry the 19, which if I could choose the ideal sidearm, it would be the exact same one.

And again, Glock has cornered the law enforcement community with very savvy marketing. Hell, for the firearm illiterate, Glock is a reference to any hangun, because the illiterate don’t realize it’s actually a brand.

For all the posters on this thread. I LOVE IT. Great conversations.

Glock filed the lawsuit because the selection process was altered and they miscalculated the cost of parts for the Sig. Then the Sigs started having significant issues that needed to be corrected. I’m not bashing Sig..they make excellent pistols but some felt certain people wanted the Sig to win no mater what.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/02/22/heres-how-the-army-fixed-your-handgun-problem/

Glock actually has hurt themselves as far as large military contracts because they refuse to make changes or add features the military is asking for. The scuttled pistol trial from 2007 required a thumb saftey. Glocks submission had none

 

[Old State]

Oh, and a big part I left out the Sig bid was $169M And the Glock bid was $272M!

 

[WedgeRock]

For all the posters on this thread. I LOVE IT. Great conversations.

Not only great points being made and advice being given, but the discussion has been respectful.

Go to *any* firearm forum and have a Glock v anyone discussion, or a 1911 v Tupperware gun discussion, or a BCM v Colt AR14 discussion and it quickly devolves.

This has been a great thread.

 

[Old State]

Not only great points being made and advice being given, but the discussion has been respectful.

Go to *any* firearm forum and have a Glock v anyone discussion, or a 1911 v Tupperware gun discussion, or a BCM v Colt AR14 discussion and it quickly devolves.

This has been a great thread.

I have enjoyed it too.

There are actually some outstanding forums though where you will find extremely knowledgeable people and zero smack talk. I linked two a couple pages back. Those are my favorite but here is another that one I haven’t been on in a long time

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/

If you are on a gun forum and hear the a term like “Tupperware”gun being seriously used...move on....quick. These are people who spend a lot of time talking about guns but little time actually shooting them or even keeping informed.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

I’ve tried getting an all purpose fishing rod but ultimately always end up with a trout rod, a bass rod, and surf rod haha.

So I’m thinking 243 for deer in the northeast (close targets given our thick woods/tree stand setups, <100 yards). I like this caliber because of the lack of recoil (and it’s the same as using a UL rig on trout vs a heavy rod, it doesn’t feel the same). And then a larger caliber if I ever get into bigger game.

However, I don’t want to be under gunned and lose game if the shot isn’t perfect.

Put it another way. Will a 308 take down a deer faster vs a 243 if you have to bust through a shoulder bone?

I've seen more deer drop where they stand from a 243 vs 308s and 30-06. While one can argue this has to do with bullet choice...I started hunting deer with a 30-06 in the late 80s while most of my friends used 243s. A few had 308s. We all shot soft points. 243 is perfectly fine for taking whitetail and mule deer inside of 250-300 yds. This is coming from a guy that has yet to take a deer with a 243. I theorize part of the DRT with deer is the terminal ballistics of 243 on deer sized game.

 

[Old State]

....weird double post ...

 

[Sparty]

Any good data out there on the best suppressor for 300 Blackout Subsonic ammo? Are there comparison charts that you can trust? I know that's it's not all just about the noise level reduction - things like length, weight, flash suppression, accuracy, durability and price all come into play too. But I guess I'd like to start looking knowing that I'm getting one of the best noise reduction suppressors.

 

[Old State]

Any good data out there on the best suppressor for 300 Blackout Subsonic ammo? Are there comparison charts that you can trust? I know that's it's not all just about the noise level reduction - things like length, weight, flash suppression, accuracy, durability and price all come into play too. But I guess I'd like to start looking knowing that I'm getting one of the best noise reduction suppressors.

This may help...not 300 BLK out SUB specific but very informative. If you aren’t following this guy I highly suggest you do. One of the top 3 gun YouTube channels IMO. Also check out Garandthumb....who I think is the best of the best.

 

[Sparty]

This may help...not 300 BLK out SUB specific but very informative. If you aren’t following this guy I highly suggest you do. One of the top 3 gun YouTube channels IMO. Also check out Garandthumb....who I think is the best of the best.

Thanks. I’ve seen most of his stuff including this video. I’ll check out garandthumb too. Appreciate it! Just frustrating that you can’t go into a gun range/store and try a few before buying (Spending lots of $$) and then waiting many months and then hoping for the best.

 

[Old State]

Thanks. I’ve seen most of his stuff including this video. I’ll check out garandthumb too. Appreciate it! Just frustrating that you can’t go into a gun range/store and try a few before buying (Spending lots of $$) and then waiting many months and then hoping for the best.

It does suck but there are a ton of reviews and tests on YouTube. SilencerShop meters almost every Silencer they carry and just shows the data without comment. For 30 cal cans they usually test a 5.56 from a 16” barrel, a bolt action .308, and 300 BLK sub and super sonic.

With the exception of OSS, most suppressors perform similarly. OSS is usually quieter at the ear and louder at the muzzle. The opposite is true for almost every other suppressors. That’s because their design doesn’t create back pressure and port pop.

That said the laws of physics can not be broken. The sonic boom of a rifle bullet will always be roughly the same....usually in the 130’s dbs in most videos. For subsonic rounds it really about how much of the other noise (the explosion of the powder) can be muffled. For that more internal volume helps a lot as it gives more room for the glasses to expand and cool. This is why, outside OSSs design, the newer wider diameter cans are of interest to me.

 

[Jeff]

Newest addition. Colt King Cobra 357 mag/38 special. Feels awesome in the hand.

 

[PaysonMike]

I love my Kimber .45 1911 pro carry semi auto. Shoots easy and straight. Along with a 9mm Taurus and a .380 Bersa semi auto.
Maybe someday I'll pick up a .44 mag cause they are a blast to shoot.

 

[WedgeRock]

New Hampshire edition?

 

[99%evil]

New Hampshire edition?

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McPherson Firearms - a mile from my house. Small gun shop and gunsmith with a custom shop.

 

[Sprouty]

@WedgeRock making it rain lead

 

[WedgeRock]

@WedgeRock making it rain lead ***

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*** - Rained lead, not lead and clay.

@Sprouty, on the other hand, closed out his session 12-for-12, then made the next three goofing off and using the rest of our pigeons.

Deuce

My nephew

Ace

Also, never seen a FTE and FTF at the same time... Until today.

The primer from the first round dislodged and prevented the next round from loading...