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Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (17 Viewers)
- Thread starter aggie
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Bluegrass Poker
Flush
What if we have a Calvin pissing on a punisher sticker? Is that ok?
Since you bring it up, I’ve always hated those stickers, not so much because it’s an IP violation but because it takes Calvin, a character who represents the pure innocent joy of childhood, and turns it into something crass and cynical and pretty much the opposite of what he is.
(Yeah I’m easily annoyed)
TheDuke
Full House
Even if a particular casino has closed, the IP, copyright, and/or trademark is still being infringed in many cases. Just because one particular location has closed it doesn't mean its ok to copy the design.
Ie. A casino is bought by another operator and rebrands. A lot of Horseshoe chips sold thru the Chip Room. Horseshoe Casino still operates elsewhere and uses the same logo, etc.
Even if the name of the city is changed, the logo is usually an exact copy. And just slapping the word commemorative somewhere isn't some kind of cure all for ripping off art.
louBdub
4 of a Kind
Question for the group:
If I try and duplicate a US Dollar…. Is it a counterfeit? Or is it a commemorative dollar replica? (Rhetorical)
BUT….
What happens when someone has replica
Live casino Paulson chips? Do they face the same laws?
If I have a counterfeit $100 get identified at a gas station, the secret service is pinged.
What happens with a TinaHC chip mixed in on the floor of a casino? I have no clue about the legalities of it.
Just talking out loud, maybe a brain or two can speak on this for me.
If I try and duplicate a US Dollar…. Is it a counterfeit? Or is it a commemorative dollar replica? (Rhetorical)
BUT….
What happens when someone has replica
Live casino Paulson chips? Do they face the same laws?
If I have a counterfeit $100 get identified at a gas station, the secret service is pinged.
What happens with a TinaHC chip mixed in on the floor of a casino? I have no clue about the legalities of it.
Just talking out loud, maybe a brain or two can speak on this for me.
Colquhoun
4 of a Kind
This reminded me of JSG Boggs, an artist that would hand draw US currency with amazing accuracy, then “exchange” the bills for goods and services…effectively using them as currency, as his art.
The question of this being counterfeiting is quite interesting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._S._G._Boggs
You're right however one is legal and the other is not. You can copy and change something under fair use.
A direct copy of this would be an infringement of copyright:
But this is legal and fair game:
This is a really good point though.
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
VALID and due to their ubiquitous nature for a time I get it.
... and good comedy.
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
Thats good comedy? Y'all got a low bar, damn!
Meddler2
Full House
Looks great but what does that inlay even mean...."The LINT"? I don't get it.
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bergs
Royal Flush
Not having a giant belly button replace the building on this inlay is borderline criminal.
Hey old man, your cloud called and is looking for ya...
Jesus, I just saw the grand casino Gulfport copies for the first time. And for the first time I’m feeling some of what @Ben8257 alluded to. It kinda makes me sick. I spent like 18 months chasing down singles to build a playable set of grand casino Gulfports - one of this hobby’s actual grails. I don’t have them any more, but it doesn’t change the feeling. A feeling that I’m not sure even has a name, and I know it’s a petty feeling. But now any noob and cheap bastard can have a set of Gulfport knockoffs? No sir, I don’t like it.
bergs
Royal Flush
You realize that you were going after Pauslon clays and these are ceramic, right? Getting upset about this is like being Amish and upset that someone took your picture. Don’t worry, you still have your soul (ostensibly, unless you’re MatB).
Yeah, I know it’s stupid.
But you know if somebody opens up a thread to air grievances, I’m going full frank costanza.
The knock offs definitely cheapen the originals for me. Seeing so many copies in the home game thread where I have to zoom in to check if original or not desensitizes me to the real thing.
When starting this hobby I had the same experience with the 4v418 spot pattern as it was used my the Majestic CCs. Still not a huge fan of that pattern except for a few small colour combos.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Get ready for a bunch of posts that will tell you exactly how you should feel instead of how you actually feel. If you don’t think the same as them then something is obviously wrong with you, because you SHOULDN'T feel that way, even if you do.
Also, when copying NAGB chips such as BTP, why are disposable chips that were made to be relabels actually made into unrelabelable copies (specifically the $2 and $2.5?)?
Are there that many blackjack and limit games out there being stocked using ceramic copies?
Are there that many blackjack and limit games out there being stocked using ceramic copies?
100% I feel the same way about that spot pattern because of majestics and others. And it’s a damn shame
I think this summarizes the root of my original post.
Yes, fakes are fakes -- ceramic or not -- but when they're regularly promoted and glorified on PCF (especially without description), we all become a bit desensitized to the real thing (e.g., "Oh neat, the seventh home game this week using BTPs!").
Should it matter? No more than some famous person's twitter post mattering. But somehow it kind of does.
@bergs you keep mentioning it's harmless because they're ceramic. Are you saying making clay replicas is what takes things too far? Or is that also inevitable so we might as well accept it, too? Is there a "too far"?
As I shared previously, I don't really care what people do with their money, and don't blame/judge anyone for buying replicas. That said, I just don't see how so many collectors here can confidently claim that fakes are good for the hobby.
Honestly, we could go into a few areas where many actions here aren’t good for the hobby, but people are ok with it. Not everyone here is a collector. Some people just want to play poker with chips that can’t be found at Walmart. We’ve already fleeced new members with “market value”. DYOR
12thMan
Full House
I hear what you’re saying and I could almost agree with the feeling; but to me when you look at the two pictures of the Mint and the Lint it’s tough for me to actually get on board with the cards mold “tributes” cheapening the real thing.
Zero offense to the Lint, they look sick for what they are, but those two pictures are of completely separate levels of the hobby. If the cards mold were ANYTHING like the pure, buttery sex that is TRKs and we’re actually a good “substitute” for them I would hate them- but as it is they are two separate chips that only look the “same” to a non chipper. Anybody with an ounce of love for poker chips would spot the difference immediately.
Fraud on anybody, be it a casino or a noob, by somebody passing off a CM chips as authentic is slimy, same with IP issues and the fact that they don’t exist in China. But I’m of the opinion that all the CM tributes could actually boost the mystique and bad assness of the real thing. There could be a billion CM chips produced of the Dunes, but there will never be more than there are right now of the real things. It sucks if someone like @41Pickup thinks that it would cheapen his set, but to me it makes it even better knowing that those are the REAL ones I can’t get.
So not worth pointing out something that might be harmful because other things are harmful, too. And not really worth discussing how something might affect collecting since not everyone is a collector. Makes perfect sense ... in an extremely circular logic kind of way.
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
This sort of thing is exactly why the research shows that men actually talk more than women.
Marius L
4 of a Kind
I am not arguing this point. Just my 2c. I feel the opposite way. I think the fact that people make knock off Rolex watches or knock off PCA chips actually elevates the status of the originals.
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