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Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (8 Viewers)

aggie said:
So not worth pointing out something that might be harmful because other things are harmful, too. And not really worth discussing how something might affect collecting since not everyone is a collector. Makes perfect sense ... in an extremely circular logic kind of way. :)
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I don't think cards mold replica chips are "harmful".

- lets also then discuss the scrown mold from CPC. that's OBVIOUSLY devalued TRK chips, because .. the mold. Sell me your mapes chips for cheap, as they're crap now because of BOTH this and the CM chips.
- lets also talk relabelling, because people can pass off "FAKE" chips as real chips now; chips that never existed. (I've relabelled chips)
- lets also talk about copying/replicating/mimicking inlays and spot patterns on CPC chips. that could be harmful.

- lets talk about false classifieds, flippers, and others with nefarious motives. Not sure they are good for the hobby either.
- lets also include those that love to tell others how bad their chips are, because they aren't what THEY would buy.
- Oh, and, there are those against auctions, classifieds, etc...

- and don't get me started with some of the NAGB chips that were purchased for next to nothing originally for the sole purpose of flipping for huge profits, and yet there are tons of people who can't get enough at $9 - $50 per chip. Before this all started, when was the last time anyone would pay that. Oh .. again .. "MARKET VALUE".

Better?????

As @ekricket said, hey, we're all entitled to our own opinion. That's how "I" feel. You don't have to agree with me, as I don't really give crap if you agree with me. I've been saying the same thing to my locals forever. Ask @Ben8257 and @FordPickup92 . the fact that I even own a Paulson set is crazy to me. I was done with them. Of course, they aren't leaded THC chips, so they are trash anyway, according to many people here .. AMIRIGHT???

/rant
 
krafticus said:
I don't think cards mold replica chips are "harmful".

- lets also then discuss the scrown mold from CPC. that's OBVIOUSLY devalued TRK chips, because .. the mold. Sell me your mapes chips for cheap, as they're crap now because of BOTH this and the CM chips.
- lets also talk relabelling, because people can pass off "FAKE" chips as real chips now; chips that never existed. (I've relabelled chips)
- lets also talk about copying/replicating/mimicking inlays and spot patterns on CPC chips. that could be harmful.

- lets talk about false classifieds, flippers, and others with nefarious motives. Not sure they are good for the hobby either.
- lets also include those that love to tell others how bad their chips are, because they aren't what THEY would buy.
- Oh, and, there are those against auctions, classifieds, etc...

- and don't get me started with some of the NAGB chips that were purchased for next to nothing originally for the sole purpose of flipping for huge profits, and yet there are tons of people who can't get enough at $9 - $50 per chip. Before this all started, when was the last time anyone would pay that. Oh .. again .. "MARKET VALUE".

Better?????

As @ekricket said, hey, we're all entitled to our own opinion. That's how "I" feel. You don't have to agree with me, as I don't really give crap if you agree with me. I've been saying the same thing to my locals forever. Ask @Ben8257 and @FordPickup92 . the fact that I even own a Paulson set is crazy to me. I was done with them. Of course, they aren't leaded THC chips, so they are trash anyway, according to many people here .. AMIRIGHT???

/rant
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12thMan said:
I hear what you’re saying and I could almost agree with the feeling; but to me when you look at the two pictures of the Mint and the Lint it’s tough for me to actually get on board with the cards mold “tributes” cheapening the real thing.

Zero offense to the Lint, they look sick for what they are, but those two pictures are of completely separate levels of the hobby. If the cards mold were ANYTHING like the pure, buttery sex that is TRKs and we’re actually a good “substitute” for them I would hate them- but as it is they are two separate chips that only look the “same” to a non chipper. Anybody with an ounce of love for poker chips would spot the difference immediately.


Fraud on anybody, be it a casino or a noob, by somebody passing off a CM chips as authentic is slimy, same with IP issues and the fact that they don’t exist in China. But I’m of the opinion that all the CM tributes could actually boost the mystique and bad assness of the real thing. There could be a billion CM chips produced of the Dunes, but there will never be more than there are right now of the real things. It sucks if someone like @41Pickup thinks that it would cheapen his set, but to me it makes it even better knowing that those are the REAL ones I can’t get.
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DING, DING, DING! Very well put.
 
Is it okay to buy and build a Shelby Cobra replica kit? Once I have built my car, is it okay for me to take it to a car show?

Do you think while I'm at this show that the owners of REAL Shelby Cobras are going to come over to my car and berate me, and tell me that I'm ruining the market for their cars? You know, the ones that can sell for over $1 million dollars, while my replica might be worth $50K.

https://www.factoryfive.com/roadster/?utm_source=Cobra-Authority.com

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I think I’m starting to understand chipping more. It’s not so much about hunting down chip sets it’s more about chasing adulation for the kill.
Based on how good these new sets look I can see why some of you fear these nooby cheap bastards will snipe some likes from you.
CM don’t even compare to the real deal but the smart money is in the Cards Mold, no denying it.
 
SiouxperStack said:
I think I’m starting to understand chipping more. It’s not so much about hunting down chip sets it’s more about chasing adulation for the kill.
Based on how good these new sets look I can see why some of you fear these nooby cheap bastards will snipe some likes from you.
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There’s definitely plenty of that going on at PCF. Whether you care to believe it or not, that’s not what’s going on with me. It took me a few years to stop caring if my chips impressed other people, but I’m mostly over it. So that’s definitely not what it’s about for me - that’s not why these cards mold copies bother me. Not that it matters much because it’s just my opinion and we’re all entitled to one without justification. But despite my use of that language, it’s got nothing to do with likes or leveling noobs or cheapos. I just don’t like chips that pretend to be something they’re not. And fwiw, I’ve been pretty consistent with that opinion over the years.
SiouxperStack said:
CM don’t even compare to the real deal but the smart money is in the Cards Mold, no denying it.
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I guess the jury’s still out on that one. As reports begin to trickle in of these chips aging poorly, we’ll just have to wait and see.
 
SiouxperStack said:
CM don’t even compare to the real deal but the smart money is in the Cards Mold, no denying it.
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upNdown said:
I guess the jury’s still out on that one. As reports begin to trickle in of these chips aging poorly, we’ll just have to wait and see.
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I think what he means by smart money is a lot LESS money.

And if someone uses their cards mold to the point where they start wearing out, I think they got their money's worth out of them. None of us buying these are deluding ourselves into thinking they will ever be collector worthy. They're cheap, fun chips for playing poker with. Nothing more.
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
None of us buying these are deluding ourselves into thinking they will ever be collector worthy. They're cheap, fun chips for playing poker with. Nothing more.
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Then why try to make a carbon copy of a "collector" chip?

Because it's for fun, why not use some creative ideas and make something custom and personal?
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
And if someone uses their cards mold to the point where they start wearing out, I think they got their money's worth out of them. None of us buying these are deluding ourselves into thinking they will ever be collector worthy.
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Agreed, I haven't seen the wear and tear myself, but I'm also not putting my CM chips in play every week. So while they aren't "disposable", if you think about it, a good session at a low stakes game (.25/.25 to 1/1) can pay for a 500-chip CM set. And because they're cheap, it allows people to explore getting more/different sets to put into rotation, further reducing the chance that any particular set wears out.

TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
They're cheap, fun chips for playing poker with. Nothing more.
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This is a big point. My regular poker buddies have appreciate the upgrades I've brought to our home game, but none of them have expressed an interest in collecting. I gave them each a gift after getting into chipping, a custom label for each person on an 8V china clay chip, and many of them cherish that as much as most of you cherish mint leaded Paulsons or sharp TRK chips from Reno. So any "real" collecting is purely for me, but buying different CM sets are for us as a group to enjoy fun new chips once in a while!
 
allforcharity said:
Custom chips look cooler than casino copy chips, just about every time. And therefore, more fun.
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Not my designs. LOL
Plus I'm not a graphic artist. The idea of lining up edge spots freaks me out. I know whatever colors I choose, I'd want to change them later. A tried and true design is perfect for me.
 
SeanGecko said:
Some folks aren't weird chip nerds with a custom idea.
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It takes a bare minimum of imagination to customize a chip instead of making a direct copy.

Use same wording, but change font.
Use same font, but change wording.
Change any two colours in a graphic element to any two different colours.
Use the name of your own home town or street instead of "Las Vegas NV".
Invert the colours on the inlay background and foreground.
Replace a graphic element with some other that is related or synonymous, in whatever context you like.
Use any two or three of the above in combination.

Wow, that wasn't so hard, was it?
 
allforcharity said:
Then why try to make a carbon copy of a "collector" chip?

Because it's for fun, why not use some creative ideas and make something custom and personal?
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allforcharity said:
Custom chips look cooler than casino copy chips, just about every time. And therefore, more fun.
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Well there YOU GO. YOU just figured out which cards mold chips YOU WANT.

The problem is, there are a lot of people around here who seem to think they ought to be telling OTHER PEOPLE what they should want to own. I can't quite figure that one out... :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 
SiouxperStack said:
When I say smart money I mean comparing the cost of the copied set to the cost of the original set. Paying $400 vs $6k seems like the smart move.
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As long as yo understand you're looking at two different things for two very different prices that are not really comparable.

I love my cards mold, but I'm not kidding myself that they are in any way the same thing as leaded Paulsons or TRKs outside of some visual similarities. I own both.
 
eightyWon said:
I think zoomers call it gatekeeping.
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Yeah I’m sure that sounded bad. But it’s not gatekeeping, at least not from me. If some guy shows up on this site brand new to the hobby and gets a set of Gulfports, whether he finds them at a yard sale or whether he tosses somebody 20 grand for them, I’d say good for him, I hope he gets them in play.
But copies? Well you know my opinion.
 
TX_Golf_N_Poker said:
As long as yo understand you're looking at two different things for two very different prices that are not really comparable.

I love my cards mold, but I'm not kidding myself that they are in any way the same thing as leaded Paulsons or TRKs outside of some visual similarities. I own both.
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No doubt! Just saying Paulson pricing seems to currently be at the ceiling.
Visually CM can scratch the itch for a lot of people.
 
krafticus said:
- and don't get me started with some of the NAGB chips that were purchased for next to nothing originally for the sole purpose of flipping for huge profits, and yet there are tons of people who can't get enough at $9 - $50 per chip. Before this all started, when was the last time anyone would pay that. Oh .. again .. "MARKET VALUE".
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Wait. I thought that question was answered decisively in post #488.
 

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