Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (2 Viewers)

[upNdown]

No, you don’t, but your incessant whining about it is bordering on hilarious.

Hey you can stuff that. I don’t pollute the group buy threads, I don’t pollute the mail thread, I don’t pollute the home game threads - I’ve kept my comments about it here.
You remember when this was a community, or at least closer to it. You can be fine with our marketplace status quo if you want. I don’t love it. I don’t love the flipping. I don’t love the hoarding premium racks as trade bait. I don’t love the trend of paying 2x for instant gratification. I don’t love the NAGB grift. But mostly I don’t complain about any of those things. Here in the “have cards molds gone too far thread,” yeah, I’m going to share my thoughts.

 

[Mojo1312]

Hey you can stuff that. I don’t pollute the group buy threads, I don’t pollute the mail thread, I don’t pollute the home game threads - I’ve kept my comments about it here.
You remember when this was a community, or at least closer to it. You can be fine with our marketplace status quo if you want. I don’t love it. I don’t love the flipping. I don’t love the hoarding premium racks as trade bait. I don’t love the trend of paying 2x for instant gratification. I don’t love the NAGB grift. But mostly I don’t complain about any of those things. Here in the “have cards molds gone too far thread,” yeah, I’m going to share my thoughts.

I have never felt cheated looking at fake boobs, nor has it stopped me from wanting to touch them. Maybe that explains why I am not worked up over the chips coming out of China.

That said, how refreshing it is after reading 36 pages on how the china card molds have irreparably harmed the value of prized chip sets that we are finally talking about something I care about -- boobs.

Pron:

Real or not real?

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Still waiting for your vote.

 

[upNdown]

Still waiting for your vote.

I would guess those are fake.

 

[chipinla]

Still waiting for your vote.

 

[chipinla]

I would guess those are fake.

 

[Venturalvn]

I have never felt cheated looking at fake boobs, nor has it stopped me from wanting to touch them. Maybe that explains why I am not worked up over the chips coming out of China.

That said, how refreshing it is after reading 36 pages on how the china card molds have irreparably harmed the value of prized chip sets that we are finally talking about something I care about -- boobs.

Pron:

Real or not real?

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Tina looks a lot different than I had imagined

 

[Mojo1312]

I would guess those are fake.

Looks like you have proven your point on how challenging it can be in identifying genuine Paulsons from the fake counterparts coming out of China.

You win.

 

[4SUMERZ]

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PCF reaching for her chips, crying because they can't afford the prices in the classifieds.

Tina: "Touch them. They're real."

Ummmm...they do look real Tina, but they feel a bit slippery

 

[Mojo1312]

Ummmm...they do look real Tina, but they feel a bit slippery

I am glad to have contributed to this thread in a such a relatable way. Still going to buy yourself a set, aren't you?

 

[4SUMERZ]

I am glad to have contributed to this thread in a such a relatable way. Still going to buy yourself a set, aren't you?

Lol...Tina offers samples so one can get a feel before opening up the wallet

 

[TomC727]

So when is the next Tina group buy?. I'm in!!! LOL

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Then you don’t get to have them. That’s all I’m saying.
I’m not saying this from a place of gatekeeping. I have exactly one expensive set and it’s less expensive than a lot of the Tigers.
I just don’t believe “I want” is a good enough reason to justify violating trademark/copyright laws and muddying up a hobby that was doing fine up until a couple of years ago when everybody decided they got to have everything they want.

I don't think you want to compare back to a couple of years ago, because that's not going to support the contention that the existence of cards mold hurts the value of original collectable casino chips. Three years ago when I joined there were oodles of cool clay chips available for $1-3 per chip. I just didn't know any better, so I didn't buy them then. Wish I had! Try to find some of those same chips today for that price.

And I don't know if anyone keeps track of the numbers of PCF members from 3 years ago, but I'll bet there has been a pretty healthy increase. Pretty sure the increase in overall demand for chips combined with a sizeable inflation of the cost of obtaining original chips is the reason cards mold production has exploded. People are buying cards mold in mass quantities because of the availability and the low cost. To those of you with older playable sets of collectable casino chips, try listing them at the prices they were selling at three years ago and you will find out that demand hasn't dropped one bit. Most of them will be snap bought within minutes.

 

[ekricket]

Hey you can stuff that. I don’t pollute the group buy threads, I don’t pollute the mail thread, I don’t pollute the home game threads - I’ve kept my comments about it here.
You remember when this was a community, or at least closer to it. You can be fine with our marketplace status quo if you want. I don’t love it. I don’t love the flipping. I don’t love the hoarding premium racks as trade bait. I don’t love the trend of paying 2x for instant gratification. I don’t love the NAGB grift. But mostly I don’t complain about any of those things. Here in the “have cards molds gone too far thread,” yeah, I’m going to share my thoughts.

All your haters should check out this thread.
All this guy does is bash others sets. I mean he never says anything good about one. How can that be good for a community? Somebody needs to tell him to start saying nicer things in that thread so we all feel better connected.


https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...rate-it-with-words.94890/page-18#post-2114922

 

[grantc54]

Has this happened with any chips you actually own? I've seen Gulfport card molds and felt absolutely nothing towards them in relation to my set.

I don't have a lot of premium chips which would be copied. I have avoided chips because they were overdone/copied before. For example the 4v418 edge pattern (think that is what it is) lost a lot of appeal for me because its used with the Majestic CC. I do think my Aria $1s are a little less special.

As a big buyer of tiger tournament chips I am happy that they have asked for them bot to be copied. Although I expect not being able to match all the bright colours would (hopefully) deter someone.

As many others have said, I just feel like if you are going to do a cards mold set for regular play just customize it to make it unique. Perfect chip for cheap customs.

That said, I'm really curious how a WSOP RHC complete copy on the TinaHC would look. i think thag mold is ridiculous, but since it's already out there.... If anyone has pics of them in use please PM me them (wont share them or tell anyone you sent them to me).

 

[upNdown]

I don't think you want to compare back to a couple of years ago, because that's not going to support the contention that the existence of cards mold hurts the value of original collectable casino chips.

That’s never been my perspective though. Other people have voiced those concerns. Personally, I don’t care about whether or not copies affect the monetary value of the originals.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

That’s never been my perspective though. Other people have voiced those concerns. Personally, I don’t care about whether or not copies affect the monetary value of the originals.

So what is your point? Just that you don't want people to have the chips that they want OR the copies? Because it seems like that's what you said.

Then you don’t get to have them. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[TomC727]

So what is your point? Just that you don't want people to have the chips that they want OR the copies? Because it seems like that's what you said.

I'm curious how he gets to decide that, then.

So because a 3000 chip Mirage chip set isn't available, a replica can't be made for purchase?

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

This is just what happens when a hobby shows a great deal of growth. In the past three years (the extent of my time here) I've seen several large Chip Room sales, the influx of several hundred thousand cards mold chips, and a NAGB that was opened to the entire community. In spite of all these new chips coming in, demand is still strong for just about anything that is attractive. If something doesn't sell, it's likely because the owner is asking too much for it. That's market economics. So unless we as a community want to entrust a few people (no idea who they might be) to impose their will on all of us, then I really don't see that there is a problem. Sure we can have differences of opinion. Threads like this where we openly disagree and discuss our differences are a good thing in my mind. But when one group starts telling another group that they shouldn't be able to have what they want, that's going to get me a little hot.

So in other words, feel free to say you don't like it. But don't start suggesting we take measures to stop others from doing what they want to do, just because you don't like it.

 

[aggie]

Regardless of how you feel, “It was inevitable” is a terrible excuse.

“Because I want to” is even worse.

 

[TomC727]

Regardless of how you feel, “It was inevitable” is a terrible excuse.

“Because I want to” is even worse.

Inevitable isn't an excuse. It's a reality of changes to a specific market, whether that be fake purses, watches, or whatever else can be made. Replica group buys are hardly driving down the collector market, and I'd tend to agree with many posters here that it is actually increasing demand in the rare collector market.

In the grand scheme of counterfeit items, I'd venture a guess that chinese mold knock-offs and replicas are at the very bottom of the vast list of fake/counterfeit/falsified items, and likely drive the collector market more.

 

[aggie]

Inevitable isn't an excuse.

100% is an excuse. It’s intellectually dishonest to imply otherwise. Stealing because someone else made you broke is still stealing. It might be forgivable, but it doesn’t make it right simply because it was “inevitable”.

chinese mold knock-offs and replicas are at the very bottom of the vast list of fake/counterfeit/falsified items

“Other people’s bad is worse than my bad” can be added to the list of bad excuses.

 

[TomC727]

And replica chip buys are vastly different than fake purses or anything else counterfeit. Replica chips are sold to allow for end users to own something that are likely impossible to own, or flat out don't exist anymore. Let's be honest, would it really be possible to put together a real 5000 chip Bellagio tournament set.

If someone wants to try peddling Tina chips on eBay and claim they are the real thing, then that turns into counterfeiting bullshit. Fake Louis Vuitton purses are designed to fool. These china molds are obviously not real, and a large majority can't be found in playable quantities.

 

[aggie]

And replica chip buys are vastly different than fake purses or anything else counterfeit. Replica chips are sold to allow for end users to own something that are likely impossible to own, or flat out don't exist anymore. Let's be honest, would it really be possible to put together a real 5000 chip Bellagio tournament set.

If someone wants to try peddling Tina chips on eBay and claim they are the real thing, then that turns into counterfeiting bullshit. Fake Louis Vuitton purses are designed to fool. These china molds are obviously not real, and a large majority can't be found in playable quantities.

I do fully appreciate that. Solid take.

 

[SeanGecko]

Cards mold are the participation trophies of chips

They are.
1. Participation trophies were given to encourage effort.
2. Everyone knew who actually had the good stuff or won.
3. The only people that are mad are boomers.

The only difference is it was boomers who came up with the idea to give it to kids. Typically we were already playing and keeping score. The trophy came at the end ..... After we lost. And the trophy is to signify you did win something. You tried and played a fun game.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

100% is an excuse. It’s intellectually dishonest to imply otherwise. Stealing because someone else made you broke is still stealing. It might be forgivable, but it doesn’t make it right simply because it was “inevitable”.

This too has been thoroughly discussed here. But I'm not aware that it's been resolved. It's still a very grey area to me. Cards mold ceramic chips do not in any way equal copies of Paulson compressed clay chips in the sense that fake Rolex watches and Gucci bags are attempted to be passed off. It doesn't take an expert to discern the difference. Anyone here who has attempted to pass off cards mold chips as originals is immediately called to the carpet.

 

[TomC727]

100% is an excuse. It’s intellectually dishonest to imply otherwise. Stealing because someone else made you broke is still stealing. It might be forgivable, but it doesn’t make it right simply because it was “inevitable”.


“Other people’s bad is worse than my bad” can be added to the list of bad excuses.

My question is... Stealing what?

Most of these designs can't be made anymore. They don't exist. I compare it to an authentic and replica jersey. Replica jerseys aren't stolen, and can obviously be seen as replica, compared to the far more expensive authentic jersey. If someone peddled a replica jersey as authentic, that would be bullshit, just the same as someone trying to do that with a Tina mold.

 

[TomC727]

This too has been thoroughly discussed here. But I'm not aware that it's been resolved. It's still a very grey area to me. Cards mold ceramic chips do not in any way equal copies of Paulson compressed clay chips in the sense that fake Rolex watches and Gucci bags are attempted to be passed off. It doesn't take an expert to discern the difference anyone here who has attempted to pass off cards mold chips as originals is immediately called to the carpet.

This right here.

The technology and looks of some of the counterfeit items are nearly identical to the real deal at times. No one can ever claim that involving these molds.

Counterfeit items are sold for the purpose of deceiving the end user or buyer.

These molds are created to honor a specific design, along with allowing the buyer an opportunity to use these items in play that would otherwise not be possible.

 

[TomC727]

Solid discussion.

 

[DMack]

100% is an excuse. It’s intellectually dishonest to imply otherwise. Stealing because someone else made you broke is still stealing. It might be forgivable, but it doesn’t make it right simply because it was “inevitable”.


“Other people’s bad is worse than my bad” can be added to the list of bad excuses.

Did you see the thread where several members all but advocated for stealing?? It was pretty shocking. “Walmart has too much money, so I don’t care if people steal from them.” It boggles my mind how thought process develops.

 

[Hornet]

Did you see the thread where several members all but advocated for stealing?? It was pretty shocking. “Walmart has too much money, so I don’t care if people steal from them.” It boggles my mind how thought process develops.

Link please?