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High hand grumbles at private game (2 Viewers)
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This is the way!
This is why when I run a HHJ I pay it every night. Players that pay into it every game get pissed when a random player that showed up that night wins it.
Also I would be annoyed in a home game by anyone that hits and runs. They aren’t going to be invited back. It’s a private game, there usually isn’t a list of backup players waiting to take the seat, he needs to play most of the night at least. Not saying he needs be in every pot, but he needs to play. If the size of the game is too big for him then he needs to go find a different game.
Also I would be annoyed in a home game by anyone that hits and runs. They aren’t going to be invited back. It’s a private game, there usually isn’t a list of backup players waiting to take the seat, he needs to play most of the night at least. Not saying he needs be in every pot, but he needs to play. If the size of the game is too big for him then he needs to go find a different game.
B.C.
Straight
The game is raked.
Can't see a single issue here with the HH player and his behaviour. Want a friendly game, then run one. This isn't that.
Can't see a single issue here with the HH player and his behaviour. Want a friendly game, then run one. This isn't that.
I’m thinking I wouldn’t be invited back. I mean does the dealer give me a little of my losses on a night where I never hit a flop and lose my ass? No I didn’t think so. And if I hit a dry dead deck after hitting high hand do I just throw money away? Sorry, call me a nit small tipper but 10% just for being lucky enough to push me a hand? Did they contribute even a dime to that during the months they dealt crap hands to losers of a big pot or bad beats?
Yeah I’m persuaded by this.
I tend to be a fair tipper, often even generous. But this expectation isn’t sitting well with me. Screw this notion of a mandatory tip on a jackpot like this. If the host thinks the dealer’s entitled to it, have the dealer rake the HHJ rake and take his tip in advance. But I don’t think he’s entitled to it. If the winner decides to be generous, then happy day! If not, oh well. The dealer is still getting paid and tipped on the night.
It is kind of shitty that a newb gets invited to a game, hits the HHJ and doesn't tip, and, from what I can gather, completely changes his game for an hour and locks his chips down. But, that's just bad etiquette, there should be no requirement for tipping other than the fact that you want to help take care of them in hopes they keep dealing at your game. The questions about it being a raked game, and, the general consensus of "fuck them if it is a raked game" is a bit of a mystery to me. I play at several lightly raked games that I doubt they're breaking even after the food, beverage and dealers. I know I enjoy playing at these games more than I do at the casino, and, am happy to chip in with tipping a few bucks to help out.
I just don't understand this "unwritten rule" that if you hit a nice pot, it's up to you to donk it away in the name of "etiquette."
As soon as that pot gets pushed to me, it's my money. End of story. If I choose to nit up (probably won't depending on how many bourbons are in me) it's my choice as much as it would be my choice to bully the shit out of everybody at the table with my new-found riches.
As soon as that pot gets pushed to me, it's my money. End of story. If I choose to nit up (probably won't depending on how many bourbons are in me) it's my choice as much as it would be my choice to bully the shit out of everybody at the table with my new-found riches.
After reading through this entire thread, @DrStrange wrote my exact thoughts.
1) This is a raked game. To me, there is no such thing as a friendly raked game. Once the game becomes raked, the game is about money. I applaud the winner for sticking around for 60-90 minutes.
2) He has every right to that jackpot regardless of how often he plays, unless a rule exists that requires a specific amount of appearances, hands, etc.
3) Tipping the dealer is just that, a tip. I personally feel that a tip is customary, but not required. On top of that, the OP mentioned winning this jackpot on first time playing and tipped the dealer $100 along with $25 to all the players. WOW!!!! That's one hell of a tip, and brings me to my first point. This game has nothing to do with friendly and everything to do with money.
4) The host has every right to not invite this player back, and that is also ok.
5) I get a feeling that the regulars are being a little whiney because they didn't hit this jackpot. Bad look if you ask me my thoughts on that.
6) I want to reinforce #1. It's a raked game. To me, a raked game, whether via host or casino, is about money. The player who won this jackpot understood the assignment. I don't want to turn this into a rake vs. no rake debate, but it's different to rake game, compared to set up a food and beverage jar for players to toss in the money.
1) This is a raked game. To me, there is no such thing as a friendly raked game. Once the game becomes raked, the game is about money. I applaud the winner for sticking around for 60-90 minutes.
2) He has every right to that jackpot regardless of how often he plays, unless a rule exists that requires a specific amount of appearances, hands, etc.
3) Tipping the dealer is just that, a tip. I personally feel that a tip is customary, but not required. On top of that, the OP mentioned winning this jackpot on first time playing and tipped the dealer $100 along with $25 to all the players. WOW!!!! That's one hell of a tip, and brings me to my first point. This game has nothing to do with friendly and everything to do with money.
4) The host has every right to not invite this player back, and that is also ok.
5) I get a feeling that the regulars are being a little whiney because they didn't hit this jackpot. Bad look if you ask me my thoughts on that.
6) I want to reinforce #1. It's a raked game. To me, a raked game, whether via host or casino, is about money. The player who won this jackpot understood the assignment. I don't want to turn this into a rake vs. no rake debate, but it's different to rake game, compared to set up a food and beverage jar for players to toss in the money.
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
I think most people would tighten up a little after winning a huge hand, that’s only human nature. Is it possible he left after 60-90 minutes because the grumpy regs made him uncomfortable?
grandmeme
Straight
I actually would have preferred that he leave after a huge win. Good for him, and I wouldn't like playing with someone clearly on lockdown for long anyway. Get a new player in there.
I think it sounds weird that the regs expect a non reg to know the tipping/chopping etiquette. If it’s 100% expected, why not make it a rule? i.e x % goes to the winner, x % goes to the dealer, x % is chopped between the rest of table.
FordPickup92
Royal Flush
This thread would be better if a reg hit bigger quads 5 minutes after this guy left.
OP
OP
Hello? It’s a high hand jackpot, not a bad beat.
Like other aspects of your angry and irrational reply, this one makes a completely false assumption based on shoddy reading.
Quads happens often enough that the amount rarely gets higher than $1K. If it does, the host splits any additional minute into a separate HH.
OP
OP
It’s not about any house rule, it’s about common sense and poker etiquette.
When I won it on my first orbit at this game, I immediately recognized that I’d just won something I had no role in building, and this tipped and shared much of it.
OP
OP
Are you working at the game? Do you have to deal every hand? Push/chop every pot? Shuffle every hand? Pay attention to every single action that occurs?
Likening a dealer’s compensation to the risk player’s take on voluntarily is silly and myopic.
OP
OP
The previous time he came and won a big hand, about four months earlier, he stepped out for a “break” and walked around the block like 10 times then left about 20 minutes after coming back in.
OP
OP
So no poker etiquette applies in a raked game ever? Anything goes?
OP
OP
1) Tightening up a little is one thing. Needing a can of compressed air to blow the dust off your chips is another.
2) A good player knows that having the biggest stack at the table is an advantage to push. A bad player doesn’t use that stack. (Never said he was a good player though.)
ekricket
Royal Flush
Not tipping is not the Wild West.
FordPickup92
Royal Flush
I don't think I would've been compelled in any way to "share" most of my winnings from a jackpot like this. I can tip the dealer ($100 at most personally edit: but probably $20 or something) and throw a couple bucks to the host at the end of the night (or when I cash out), but I'm not going to be playing extra splashy because I'm "up" whether it's my first orbit at a recently joined game or I'm a regular contributor
OP
OP
Unraked games aren’t about money. Huh. I’ll be sure not to bring money to my next unraked game.
OP
OP
And like I said up front: I didn’t agree with the regs who were calling for guests and occasionals to be shut out of the high hand. I did think the failure to tip something (anything!) was cheesy. As was basically not playing any more hands before leaving.
When I attend a new home or private game, or one I’ve only played a couple times before, I try to be hyperaware of that game’s specific culture, and also to mind my p’s and q’s until/unless I get a feel for the group and what is acceptable, and they’ve likewise accepted me as a new reg.
That’s not just polite, but in my self-interest if I decide I want to keep paying there.
(For example, at a game where I know the regs and have played for years, I am absolutely going to mock the hell out of a buddy when he makes a bad play. I’m not going to show up at a new game and start making fun of strangers. This should be obvious.)
So what the kid did was within his rights, but not a smart move if he wanted to get another shot at the game.
When I attend a new home or private game, or one I’ve only played a couple times before, I try to be hyperaware of that game’s specific culture, and also to mind my p’s and q’s until/unless I get a feel for the group and what is acceptable, and they’ve likewise accepted me as a new reg.
That’s not just polite, but in my self-interest if I decide I want to keep paying there.
(For example, at a game where I know the regs and have played for years, I am absolutely going to mock the hell out of a buddy when he makes a bad play. I’m not going to show up at a new game and start making fun of strangers. This should be obvious.)
So what the kid did was within his rights, but not a smart move if he wanted to get another shot at the game.
ekricket
Royal Flush
I’d like to see the poker rules that have tipping of any sort written into them.
This is a made up scenario complaining about made up “rules”. And now every opinion will be attacked and vilified by the op and proof will be demanded to support your facts (ok, opinions) when there is any hint of disagreement with the made up rules. Same MO as all his other threads - “somebody didn’t act like I thought they should so I’m looking for people to support my dumb arguments and I’ll trash anyone who holds a different opinion than mine”.
This is a made up scenario complaining about made up “rules”. And now every opinion will be attacked and vilified by the op and proof will be demanded to support your facts (ok, opinions) when there is any hint of disagreement with the made up rules. Same MO as all his other threads - “somebody didn’t act like I thought they should so I’m looking for people to support my dumb arguments and I’ll trash anyone who holds a different opinion than mine”.
Since so many of us are disagreeing that it necessarily is common sense to spread the wealth of this win, then maybe it isn't?
Sounds to me like the regs are being nits about this. A thousand bucks in a 1/3 game can't be that much of a big deal, at least not to the regs. Unless this is a 50bb buy-in limp fest, but I didn't get that impression.
Quicksilver-75
4 of a Kind
Honestly sounds like a bunch of sore losers. Yeah, he could probably have been a little more outgoing and used a tad more etiquette, but it's not a requirement. It's not that different from people who win the lottery but insist they hardly ever play. Shit happens. Good for him. Someone should point out after the fact what the "regs would do". But if people are that butthurt, don't have him out and adjust the rules so only regs can win.
Nobody chained the dealer to the table did they? I figure the dealer knew the job before they sat down, so your argument does not hold much credence. Just don’t invite him back, that’s your right, but he did nothing wrong.
OP
OP
This thread is a great guide for whom not to invite to a game. People who fail to value dealers’ work are the worst in my book (and I’m not a dealer).
This. A good dealer is worth his/her weight in gold. While I have been known to howl a bit at a dealer from time to time, I generally respect the hell out of their ability to function for long periods of time and keep the game running efficiently. Dealing is a tremendously hard job and they provide a good service, making the game more enjoyable for the players. They should be tipped and tipped well in my opinion. I mean, if this guy (@Jonesey07) dealt you the high hand are you really gonna stiff him?
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