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High hand grumbles at private game (1 Viewer)

Taghkanic said:
This thread is a great guide for whom not to invite to a game. People who fail to value dealers’ work are the worst in my book (and I’m not a dealer).
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I am all for tipping dealers, but if he's new to live poker (and it sounds like he is) there's a very good chance he doesn't know people tip. Maybe someone could have pulled him aside and said something to him, instead of passive aggressively grumbling about it?

Also, a hundo does seem a little high, I'd think 25-50 would be more than appropriate.
 
I have dealt at games for hours at a time, so I do know what the tasks are. It is not the arduous job you make it out to be, certainly rewarding enough to make it a decent wage for what is required. Yes regular tips on good hands make it more rewarding but each time I sat down I knew tips were not guaranteed. It’s called being realistic, sorry if you do not think the same way I do. This will be my last comment so as to not clutter your thread with my honest opinion.
 
I really appreciate these threads. As someone who didn't play poker before, I just assumed all games were smooth and went off without a hitch. Having attended home games, I now know this isn't the case :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

That being said, you don't often see posts like this outside of Tag and MrCatPants, I think they're great!

On the other side, despite how much I appreciate and enjoy @Taghkanic posts/replies, this is like the 3rd one of these where the question was asked/thread posted, everyone replied, and then your responses were just scorched earth in response. On most of these it seems like you're just looking for corroboration/vindication, not honest answers and feedback. Not that I've never done the same, but maybe the majority of folks have a point.
 
upNdown said:
In this case, I think some of it is kinda virtue signally.
If anybody tells me they wouldn't be even a little annoyed when a guy wins that jackpot, nits it up and then disappears pretty quickly, they are a phoney baloney.
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Maybe he needs that money, maybe he's uneducated, maybe he's a greedy ass hole. We don't know his story, and frankly I have more important things to do with my time than ponder the possibilities that may or may not validate his choices, or be annoyed by them.
 
FordPickup92 said:
Maybe he needs that money, maybe he's uneducated, maybe he's a greedy ass hole. We don't know his story, and frankly I have more important things to do with my time than ponder the possibilities that may or may not validate his choices, or be annoyed by them.
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No problem though - it’s a guilty pleasure.
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BPTDirector said:
I have dealt at games for hours at a time, so I do know what the tasks are. It is not the arduous job you make it out to be, certainly rewarding enough to make it a decent wage for what is required. Yes regular tips on good hands make it more rewarding but each time I sat down I knew tips were not guaranteed. It’s called being realistic, sorry if you do not think the same way I do. This will be my last comment so as to not clutter your thread with my honest opinion.
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I had the opportunity to deal once in my poker career. I lasted 20 minutes and that was the last time. It is a very hard job to do well, especially going into the wee hours of the night. You need to pay attention to every hand and do math! F@#k that! I applaud you if you find it easy, but I assure you for most of us mere mortals, it's not.
 
FordPickup92 said:
Maybe he needs that money, maybe he's uneducated, maybe he's a greedy ass hole. We don't know his story, and frankly I have more important things to do with my time than ponder the possibilities that may or may not validate his choices, or be annoyed by them.
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Except that you’re here, LOL
 
BPTDirector said:
I have dealt at games for hours at a time, so I do know what the tasks are. It is not the arduous job you make it out to be, certainly rewarding enough to make it a decent wage for what is required. Yes regular tips on good hands make it more rewarding but each time I sat down I knew tips were not guaranteed. It’s called being realistic, sorry if you do not think the same way I do. This will be my last comment so as to not clutter your thread with my honest opinion.
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The dealer in my game (different than this one) sometimes deals for 9+ hours, with just a few 5 minute bathroom breaks. He is very good. I doubt many could sustain quality dealing for that long, and such comments suggest you think it can be taken for granted.

And no, I don’t know any good dealers who assume tips are “guaranteed.” But that does not excuse poor tippers or players who only view games as something for them to max out their profits, never giving anything back.

My game has gotten oversubscribed since I got a quality dealer and I appreciate such work.
 
What exactly is the “light rake?” You reference it and it seems to be separate from the HHJ $5 rake. Also, what’s the quality of the setup that the host is providing? I know I’d be less inclined to include a tip if I’m participating in an illegal private game getting raked $7-$10 a hand while playing on a plastic picnic table in some dudes unfinished basement. If it’s a luxurious setup, I’d be more inclined to kick in a tip.

I think the solution is to only keep the game to the regulars if the expectation is that new young and inexperienced players playing stakes above what they’re comfortable with in this underground game must automatically know all of the unspoken rules.
 
upNdown said:
In this case, I think some of it is kinda virtue signally.
If anybody tells me they wouldn't be even a little annoyed when a guy wins that jackpot, nits it up and then disappears pretty quickly, they are a phoney baloney.
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I can see that for sure.

This is not virtue signally, and I’ll post it in unpopular ideas thread.

I’d RATHER people leave after they nit it up. I was trying to figure out how to convey this earlier. At all the recent games I've played, you better hope the first big pots don't go to 5 out of the 8 people. Because that money is gone forever if it does. PCF hosted games, and half the table is there to lock up a win. As in, if they play any hand over the next 3 hours, you know for a fact its AK or AA, and you're proven right.

It's hilariously bad, to the point where sometimes I don't even know if they're ESL or not because they don't even engage at the table.

So yeah, my opinion is I'm here to have fun, if you won a bunch of money great congrats please leave if you're done playing. I've even thought that does it make sense to let those players go south with a % of their win to book it and get them back in the game as a player?

Anyways, I still think people are on to something in their responses. Even if you're annoyed, what more to do other than not invite back? Besides, as usual I think everyone has it wrong. As a newish poker player, I'm so fu**ing annoyed with rake or tips or this and that. I walk into a game, I bring shit. I go up big, I purposefully will give it back to players. Shits nice, I'll donate to host at the end. Don't have me walk into a friendly game and have me pay a rake for your dealer, don't have a PCFer deal and actually slow down action while continually misdealing and have me tip out reg. WTF is it with these ancient practices? We all have to sit around a table or here on PCF figuring out what's comfortable for tipping, this % and that % of pots and wtf - I'm here for fun not for math. Just stfu and let me toss the dealer $40 or $60 or whatever I want to at the end of the night.

I don't know, if I'm hosting regularly it just doesn't seem that difficult. But maybe I'll find out one day when I do.

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upNdown said:
In this case, I think some of it is kinda virtue signally.
If anybody tells me they wouldn't be even a little annoyed when a guy wins that jackpot, nits it up and then disappears pretty quickly, they are a phoney baloney.
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Taghkanic said:
The dealer in my game (different than this one) sometimes deals for 9+ hours, with just a few 5 minute bathroom breaks. He is very good. I doubt many could sustain quality dealing for that long, and such comments suggest you think it can be taken for granted.

And no, I don’t know any good dealers who assume tips are “guaranteed.” But that does not excuse poor tippers or players who only view games as something for them to max out their profits, never giving anything back.

My game has gotten oversubscribed since I got a quality dealer and I appreciate such work.
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Damn dude give your dealer a 30 minute break somewhere
 
BarrieJ3 said:
I don't know, if I'm hosting regularly it just doesn't seem that difficult. But maybe I'll find out one day when I do.
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FWIW I host because I enjoy it.

In addition to the social aspect, especially enjoy finding ways to constantly improve my game, both in terms of materials (seats, tables, cards, chips) and operation (buyin procedures, rulings, etc.). PCF has been a tremendous help and resource.

At the same time, hosting regularly can be a massive PITA unless you’re OK with putting on a mediocre show. I sometimes forget the million little things which have to be taken care of before a game, plus the in-game distractions for hosts.

And on top of the busywork, people are crazy. Including our own friends. I sometimes can’t believe the insane antics and demands anf complaints that arise.

That’s part of why I post these threads, to the annoyance of a few. I wasn’t the host of this game, and didn’t say a damn thing as it all unfolded. But the host wanted my opinion on it, and think these obscure situations are good food for thought and debate. If anything like this comes up in my own game, I’ll already have my position thought through.
 
What was the regular who brought him's response to everyones complaints/comments?

I think it's his job to convey this particular group's culture and etiquette to the kid, and the kid can decide if he wants to play there anymore.

But since its happened multiple times now, it probably needs to at least jokingly addressed the next time he's there to break the tension and call out the elephant in the room. May not seem like a comfortable thing to do but its kind of like two dudes fighting and becoming friends after. If there is no confrontation about the issue, the climate of the group will be passively aggressive towards him because of all the previous grumbling thats been done without closure.
 
Hosting is great until an issue comes up. I mean, I usually running 4 tables on a monthly basis and SOMETHING will come up. Add in running the tournament, and sometimes banking the cash game at the same time, or being in a big hand and someone wants more hotdogs.. .it's all good though. Luckily for me, I've got a giant PCF family in my basement each month, and can usually sit back and let them willingly help.
 
Taghkanic said:
He can take as long as he wants, but he chooses to keep the breaks short. Working for tips, after all!
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Based on your responses in this thread, you are pissed off at any opinion that doesn’t support yours.

Maybe said jackpot winner won another jackpot…not being invited back.

And I’ll reiterate my previous post. This is a raked game and raked games are about money.

A friendly game, no rake, is about having fun, with money as a secondary benefit. Whether you win or lose, the hope is that everyone at least had fun and good company.

Unless rules are posted that x amount of money needs to go to this person or that person, this jackpot winner did nothing wrong, other than fail to read the room of the degenerate bitching regs. Me personally, I would have tossed $20 to the dealer. Depending on the company would base my decision to leave immediately, keep playing normally, or nit it up.

Again, you started this thread and multiple opinions have been posted. You seem to go scorched earth on any opinion that you don’t support.

If what you say is true, and one of the regulars wanted some opinions from this forum, I hope that you report back ALL of the opinions here.
 
TomC727 said:
Based on your responses in this thread, you are pissed off at any opinion that doesn’t support yours.
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Nope. I am eager to hear a variety of opinions. But I will most certainly dispute those which I think are slipshod or outright stupid.

And a reminder: My opinion remains merely that the player has the right to do whatever he wants, and that the host should not change the way his high hands are handled because this one situation. And I said nothing about it at the game; the grumbles came from others.

How controversial!

That said, there is often a difference between having a right to do something and what one should actually do.

I have a *right* to call anyone at a game who is shorter than me a shrimp, and anyone less skilled a fish. *Should* I do either, just because I have those rights? Obviously not.

So the kid had the right to not tip, nit it up and run. But that doesn’t mean he handled it well, or that he is likely to get more invitations from the host.
 
I think the problem people have with your gripe is that you arent really asking how to fix/improve the situation, or finding a way to fit the kid into the game in the future, but rather just looking for justification for you and some of the members of your groups' feelings about the situation.
 
As far as the guest winning HHJ and pissing off the regs because they come all the time and it doesn't seem fair.....

if the regs come 10 times and the guest comes 1 time....don't the regs have 10x the chances of winning also? Not just the 10x donation
 
This is why hi hand rolling jackpots are generally a bad idea. No need for them. They just cause trouble. I was at a holdem/plo game a while back. Flopped quad Js with AJ in holdem, which qualified (I didn’t know there even was a HHJ). After the hand I showed my opponent and the dealer before mucking then mucked. The dealer said to me, next time you should table your hand so you can win the HHJ. I said you mean the next time I flop quads in holdem??? Host refused to pay jack pot even though I showed the dealer. Even though I didn’t really care about the money I felt like it was a sidewinder-ish thing to do. I have not been back since. Bottom line - if you don’t offer a HHJ you avoid controversy. Also, if u don’t have them then no need to rake for them then u avoid all the animosity from the anti rake crowd. Do a food banger to cover food costs if necessary. Nothing out of the pot. Just a thought.
 
Goldfish said:
This is why hi hand rolling jackpots are generally a bad idea. No need for them. They just cause trouble. I was at a holdem/plo game a while back. Flopped quad Js with AJ in holdem, which qualified (I didn’t know there even was a HHJ). After the hand I showed my opponent and the dealer before mucking then mucked. The dealer said to me, next time you should table your hand so you can win the HHJ. I said you mean the next time I flop quads in holdem??? Host refused to pay jack pot even though I showed the dealer. Even though I didn’t really care about the money I felt like it was a sidewinder-ish thing to do. I have not been back since. Bottom line - if you don’t offer a HHJ you avoid controversy. Also, if u don’t have them then no need to rake for them then u avoid all the animosity from the anti rake crowd. Do a food banger to cover food costs if necessary. Nothing out of the pot. Just a thought.
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To the OP - if you want a solution for all the bitching from the regs, this is the solution. Eliminate the jackpot and change the rake to a food fund.

Boom. Fixed.
 

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