Trade Horseshoe Casino Buy: Secondary Marketplace (4 Viewers)

[detroitdad]

Personally I think this thread destroys the intent of Jim's percentage rules and attempt to have more people get a chance at the higher denominated chips. This kind of thinking that people can skirt the rules based on forming an alliance that isn't necessarily within the intent of the sale rules makes me lose respect for those willing to participate and is also a prime example of what's wrong with our society today.

Proceed to bash me, but you can't deny you are violating the spirit of fair play.

I think that's a little harsh. Everyone is still purchasing by the allotted percentages. To me this thread is about trying to help out our fellow chip forum compadres by purchasing extra chips than what we would need to help them fill out their chip requirements

 

[Gear]

I see your point and don't entirely disagree, but the intent of Jim's rules (at least my understanding of his intent) is to prevent one or only a few people from buying literally all of the high value chips (as happened before) which no one in this thread is attempting.

On the one hand, yes, it's an attempt to skirt the rules, but I would argue it's more of an attempt to play within the rules but allow everyone to get what they want. I also don't see it as violating fair play because the rules weren't particularly fair to begin with.

 

[k9dr]

I disagree. I think the intent was to prohibit one or more people from buying all the higher denoms then flipping them for profit on eBay. I don't think his intent was to limit a chipper's ability to accumulate a playable breakdown of higher denomination chips. We are still limited by a second party's ability to complete the transaction. I for one don't feel guilty. My intent is to have an awesome playable set to share with 30 friends at the Suicide Queen Melee. I hope I can get all I need.

 

[BPTDirector]

You all Can bash away at me and at CT all you want but this kind of crap never happened there.

Boo hoo it's harsh - reality doesn't always have to be about justifying behavior like this. It's Jim's right to set the rules. That kind of PC bullshit is very old when someone doesn't agree with your way of justifying questionable behaviors and practices so they call someone else's view too harsh.

I'll be buying chips for myself only and have all kinds of headroom left over on percentages.

 

[detroitdad]

You all Can bash away at me and at CT all you want but this kind of crap never happened there.

Boo hoo it's harsh - reality doesn't always have to be about justifying behavior like this. It's Jim's right to set the rules. That kind of PC bullshit is very old when someone doesn't agree with your way of justifying questionable behaviors and practices so they call someone else's view too harsh.

I'll be buying chips for myself only and have all kinds of headroom left over on percentages.

Nobody is bashing you. We're not allowed to have a civil discussion and disagree with you.

 

[inca911]

Personally I think this thread destroys the intent of Jim's percentage rules and attempt to have more people get a chance at the higher denominated chips. This kind of thinking that people can skirt the rules based on forming an alliance that isn't necessarily within the intent of the sale rules makes me lose respect for those willing to participate and is also a prime example of what's wrong with our society today.

Proceed to bash me, but you can't deny you are violating the spirit of fair play.

Why would I bash you? I do disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. However, I do refute and deny your unsubstantiated claim that a secondary market post is violating the spirit of fair play and ruining society (yes, let's not forget that proselytizing hyperbole). Consider this: I'm passing on the high denomination chips that I am entitled to buy per the rules for the exact same cost I am paying. Would you respect me more if I just maxed my purchase for chips I don't need and then charged more by selling them on the secondary market? I can certainly do that, but flipping these for profit isn't a very communal act, now is it? Would increasing the price of these chips be more "fair" and beneficial to societal values, in your assessment? Certainly not! You use that word, "fair", but I do not think it means what you think it means.

Understand, I will be playing with these chips every month at Dan's game. I will be playing with them at the Suicide Queen Melee. I will be playing with them at SSSS. If that is somehow "wrong", then I am OK not being right. Now, back to the regularly scheduled erosion of society that my post has clearly initiated. And you also have my apology for initiating the Apocalypse. Oops. Happy trading!

 

[BPTDirector]

A pre sale is Jim's way of recouping a portion of his investment by releasing only a portion of the available chips for sale before they are delivered. There will be plenty of chances for everyone to fill out their sets without having to buy percentages of lower denominated chips although at a higher price once all chips are release for sale. The pre sale is the only place these percentage rules are into place historically. I've been on these forums since the beginning and if that changes this would be the first time.

Final post here in this thread I promise. I just think some of the newer people should know the pre sale is not for all chips and has these special rules.

 

[toad94]

Imagine a gas station giving an ice cream cone to everyone who fills up their tank that day. I need gas but I don't need extra calories. I fill up my tank, take the free ice cream cone, and hand it to a kid passing by. Is that an ethical problem or "what's wrong with our society today"?

Granted, I didn't have to take the ice cream since I wasn't going to eat it, even though the gas station said I could per their promotion. And if I charged a kid money for the ice cream I got for free maybe someone could say I'm a jerk. But as is I followed the established rules and helped someone out in the process--how exactly is that tearing down society?

Not everybody wants the same breakdown for their sets--this helps people out. Pretty simple, it seems, and a helpful idea to boot.

 

[Gear]

That is simply not true. There were percentage requirements on second sales (I.e. not sight unseen) for previous releases, and the prices do not necessarily go up after the pre-sale. I recall at least one set of chips where the sight-unseen prices were definitely higher than the prices posted after the chips were in hand.

Also, saying "this kind of crap never happened on CT" is utterly laughable. It was the Bahamia fiasco that STARTED the need for percentages like this, and that was ON chiptalk.

If you're only talking about the secondary-market trading thread, then I believe you're mistaken there too, because that definitely took place on CT. It might not have been quite as "public" but it was most definitely going on. In fact one of the main reasons I'm happy to see this out in the open, and hoping to benefit from it, is because of feeling screwed by the rules multiple times in chip room sales, both here and on CT, when I knew for 100% certain that others were "bending the rules" and benefiting and no one was saying it was wrong to do so.

I'm really not sure why this has touched a nerve but you seem to feel very strongly about this. I respect that, and I'm not intending to bash you in any way. It's a difference of opinion that we are both (we are all) entitled to.


One final thing I'll add is that even Jim himself said (before the thread was taken down) that perhaps he hadn't thought through the percentage requirements enough. I wouldn't be in this thread if I didn't think the percentage rules that Jim had laid out were fair - they weren't, really. In order to buy literally any secondary chips, one would have been forced to buy some of the primary chips. Yes, it's Jim's prerogative to set the rules how he wants, but my point is that even he conceded they weren't terribly fair to begin with.

I for one will be quite surprised if the new pre-sale thread has the exact same requirements as the original.

 

[BGinGA]

A pre sale is Jim's way of recouping a portion of his investment by releasing only a portion of the available chips for sale before they are delivered. There will be plenty of chances for everyone to fill out their sets without having to buy percentages of lower denominated chips although at a higher price once all chips are release for sale. The pre sale is the only place these percentage rules are into place historically. I've been on these forums since the beginning and if that changes this would be the first time.

Final post here in this thread I promise. I just think some of the newer people should know the pre sale is not for all chips and has these special rules.

I wasn't going to get involved with the debate (since you made it pretty clear up front that you wouldn't be entertaining one), but ^this^ post contains too many historical inaccuracies to leave unchecked as 'truth'.

EDIT: I see Gear beat me to it. See post #99 just above this one, for essentially my exact response.

 

[mipevi]

If anyone can squeeze in a single primary $500 chip and mail it to Finland via USPS First Class international (bubble envelope), please let me know. I'd love a card guard, that spot pattern is dope.

 

[detroitdad]

If anyone can squeeze in a single primary $500 chip and mail it to Finland via USPS First Class international (bubble envelope), please let me know. I'd love a card guard, that spot pattern is dope.

Same here.

 

[GoStumpy]

I can't see how someone can get that upset at a thread like this looking to HELP OUT our fellow chippers by HELPING them get the quantities they want.

Jim's percentage rules ensure that no single person can buy up all the high denominations.

Like was said, how much WORSE is it to just max our all your high denoms just to resell them for profit???

 

[warewulf]

Jim's percentage rules ensure that no single person can buy up all the high denominations.

I didn't see that anywhere in his post. It didn't mention any cap on orders. So that would make it pretty easy for one person to buy out all the chips and flip them. Remember we're dealing with Poker players. A game that rewards the greedy and deceitful.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I will be surprised if the new pre sale thread has the same percentage limits. If he was planning on keeping them the same why not leave the the thread up and change the date?

I'm hoping he decides to put some premade tournament sets together with the secondary chips like he has done with past sales. It may be a better way to make sure people are able to get playable sets and he can adjust the pricing accordingly since he won't be selling any $1 & $5 with them as well.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I didn't see that anywhere in his post. It didn't mention any cap on orders. So that would make it pretty easy for one person to buy out all the chips and flip them. Remember we're dealing with Poker players. A game that rewards the greedy and deceitful.

I too was a little concerned about this. Someone can put 10,000 $1 chips in their cart then add all the high demon chips they want. Then we will really see some high prices on those chips!!!

 

[Gear]

I too was a little concerned about this. Someone can put 10,000 $1 chips in their cart then add all the high demon chips they want. Then we will really see some high prices on those chips!!!

True enough, but I believe the point is to keep someone from buying all the high denom chips, and only the high denom chips.

 

[inca911]

Does someone have one of the group buy $2.50s for sale? @Ronoh ? Thanks!

 

[stocky]

No horse in this race as I'll only be buying a couple of sample sets. But I think this thread is actually doing the community a greater service than disservice.

This way the chips are brought AND kept in the community for members who actually want them for playable sets and passed on at cost instead of being flipped at a later date for 2, 3 or 4x the original price. Let's face it, there will be folks who buy chips early for no other reason than to sell at a later date. These will be brought by folks who likely just want to finish a set. Doing it like this may actually slow down that secondary market.

 

[Ronoh]

Does someone have one of the group buy $2.50s for sale? @Ronoh ? Thanks!

I have at least one barrel of snappers from all the Ohio casinos, I have a rack of the first run out of Cleveland.

Cleveland is my local casino.

The second run snappers have outstanding edge spots yet I don't own a single one of them.

That should clear up how I feel about what they did on this inlay

 

[inca911]

Bummer. That rack of primaries you have is amazing though!

 

[Ronoh]

Bummer. That rack of primaries you have is amazing though!

I'm torn between hoping they were destroyed and hoping they show up on Jims pallets.

Would be cool to own something rare out of a set that has massive CR distribution but at the same time it would be awesome to get 900 more for an epic limit set

 

[moojersey]

Isn't this postponed now :/

 

[Ronoh]

Isn't this postponed now :/

Yep. More time for preparations.

 

[ovo]

Jim's a standup guy and he noticed how people that only wanted secondary chips had to buy some 1's and 5's to get them, so he said that those people can email him and he can work something out.

 

[jiratic]

LOCATION: Sydney, Australia

NEED:
$100
$500 (possibly)

POSSIBLE EXTRAS:
2.50 n = 70-80
25 n = 50
1000 n=15-20
5000 n=15-20

 

[BNM]

If this sale goes at some point and I end up ordering I might be able to assist some of the folks in northern Europe. Let's see how the sale actually unfolds.

 

[Tanner Kaza]

LOCATION: Sydney, Australia

NEED:
$100
$500 (possibly)

POSSIBLE EXTRAS:
2.50 n = 70-80
25 n = 50
1000 n=15-20
5000 n=15-20

Would love to buy the $2.50's off of you after sale if possible! Trying to put a 50/1 set together. Let me know. Thanks!

I can get $500 if you want as I am not looking for them personally.

 

[David O]

All I need is a primary $500 chip for my edge spot sample set. If someone can get that I would appreciate it. Not sure I am ordering but could if someone needs some

 

[rowlin]

I'm also just looking for a primary $500 if anyone is willing to snag an extra.