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buffalojim
Royal Flush
2-4 masks usually gets the job done too, it's the sweet spot. 8-10 is excessive and a waste 
So just even more smoke, but you still don’t see fire?
I’ll tell you it would be funny/ironic/sad if Robbi didn’t cheat, because just about every decision she’s made and word she’s spoken since she flipped her cards has made her look worse. Day after day, she does the wrong thing.
TheDuke
Full House
Can someone provide a quick bullet point list of the evidence thus far?
I have no love nor hate for Robbi. She’s not someone I’d want to play poker with.
My opinion is just based on what happened and everything I’ve seen so far.
And Remember.
Where there’s smoke. There’s a lot of people trying to start fires with wet wood.
2-4 masks usually gets the job done too, it's the sweet spot. 8-10 is excessive and a waste
Well yeah and masks. That’s just provable science. Let’s not bring scientifically proven theories to this thread.
We don’t need facts here buddy.
Just curious as to exactly what actions/words by them would "look good" in your opinion.
That’s a fair question. If she stayed silent, we’d probably say “she must be guilty because she won’t even try to explain herself.”
That said, she’s been saying a lot, and she hasn’t been helping her cause.
TheDuke
Full House
I will say I'm still undecided. Not that I require an exceedingly high level of evidence to make a decision, but what I've seen thus far is alot of hearsay or amateur sleuth evidence. Ie. I know a guy who knows a guy, or suspects involved have one instance of a grammar error or punctuation similarity.
I've read all of Garrett's official statements and watched some analysis of footage from Berkey, Ingram, and Bart.
Although only select portions of Ingram's videos. His 10 hour videos are the equivalent of a giant wall of text times 1000.
At this point I'm 100% sure I've not read or watched what others in the cheaters/not cheaters camps have seen.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
If they had had a consistent story from the jump and if their body language and antics didn't look so fucking suspicious.
If you misread your hand in a quarter of a million dollar pot against the golden boy of the Hustler Casino Livestream and actually thought you had J3 when you made the call, and then turn over your hand and realize WHOOPS, IT'S JACK-FOUR! there would be some sort of response of shock or surprise out of ANY fucking player in that spot.
Oh shit, I misread my hand, I thought I had Jack-three!
But no, just her sitting there with her fake-ass teeth and that smug fucking smile, twiddling her stupid necklace around.
Then Rip being interviewed about the situation that went down and his eyes are darting all over the fucking place and he's stumbling over his speech as he talks about Robbi being accused of cheating as he desperately tries to patch up their story so they don't get caught.
Then the fake-as-fuck private message that Robbi got from Bryan that looks like it was written for an MTV Reality Show Script because there's nothing believable about it, and people have already found multiple instances of how Robbi's and Bryans messages have similar punctuation, use of ALL CAPS in certain spots and grammatical mistakes and duplications that make it pretty clear they were written by the same person/team but are supposed to come from two different people involved in this whole fucking drama.
Bryans tweets about the integrity of the show and everyone in production has been "thoroughly vetted" and how much he loves the show (after the cheating scandal, prior to him being caught).
Then when he IS caught taking 15K off her stack he suddenly flips his script and claims it was a horrible place to work and thanks Robbi for saving him from that life and not pressing charges (you know, the fucking bitch who her and her cuck husband wanted to sue anyone who tweeted about them, but now they have proof that someone took 15K from her stack she doesn't want to press charges)
Her claims that she asked the police officer about this guys priors (I doubt the officer went through the dudes record and just gave her all that info) AND that she somehow KNOWS Bryan already spent the 15K (how does she fucking "know" this? Did he tell her? Does she believe the word of a thief?)
I haven't consumed every bit of info but I caught some of the stuff on a livestream where they're talking about this Beanz dude and his PPP Loan Fraud and he was in the live chat typing something like "I haven't been convicted of that yet!" as if that just clears him of any shady shit or guilt in all of this.
It's just clear as fucking day to me that these scumbags are lying through their fake overly-white teeth and it's positively mind-boggling that people have blinders on and refuse to see it still at this point.
eightyWon
Straight
How do we spread the word to the poker world that Garrett spells his name with two Ts?
buffalojim
Royal Flush
I understand the "wheres there's smoke there's fire" feeling but all I see is a game run by at the least some incompetent people, with some shady looking characters associated and/or playing in the game.... but nothing that implicates her directly IMO. Just because HCL's game might have security holes doesn't prove that she used them and cheated on that particular hand, it just shows that it may be possible, hell anyone that played in the game could have cheated with HCL's security issues that have been brought forward. If anything players should be going after HCL.
I have no way to say Robbi cheating did or didn't happen, and really nobody else does either at this stage, there is just no definitive proof of that in particular either way only guesses and theories mine included.
If any of that sounded condescending sorry just expressing my opinion.
I have no way to say Robbi cheating did or didn't happen, and really nobody else does either at this stage, there is just no definitive proof of that in particular either way only guesses and theories mine included.
If any of that sounded condescending sorry just expressing my opinion.
TheDuke
Full House
If poor grammar, overuse of CAPS, and punctuation oddities are definitive signs of guilt... I ask you good sir... what crimes and connivances are you guilty of?
SPEAK! Set your conscience at ease.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
I'm not tall enough to be convicted to anything but juvenile detention
JScott
Flush
I just want to remind everyone that just the circumstances of the hand at the time... nothing else, was enough for people to think she had cheated on day one. Not a majority, but a lot of people thought she cheated without any other info, that's how fucked that hand was. No other information was available, so granted some people, including me, would be skeptical.
Then you add in:
My take (a lot of speculation here):
I thought Garrett originally ruined his reputation in a single night by taking that money back, however, not only do I think he's somewhat vindicated. Thanks to his intuition he's exposed a lot of problems behind HCL. Now seeing how Robbi is reacting to this stuff through twitter/livestream appearances, I wouldn't be surprised if his account was bang on and she freaked when he mentioned how this hand would be viewed and she knew she was caught and viewed giving the money back as a mea culpa. Only doubling down on the "I'm not a cheat" after seeing her support online. I know we want to avoid the personal attacks, I just want to say that personally... if you're still defending Robbi, I wouldn't want you at my game.
Then you add in:
- No explanation of her call, talked gibberish
- Gave back money (if you think her personality is one to get scared and give back money because she was threatened, you haven't seen her on stream since)
- Gets caught lying and changing stories over so many things I lost count
- Rip turns out to be her undisclosed backer, loses mind over her giving back money
- Bryan steals from her what just happens to be roughly 10% of the pot she returned to Garrett
- She doesn't press charges on Bryan due to him not having a record (call with Detective is unorthodox)
- Deck inconsistencies confirmed by Ryan to explain why production would have thought she had better equity
- "Bryan" sends her the DM
- Witnesses say Bryan screamed when Robbi gave back money
- Bryan had access to hole cards, and can communicate with players through mic, or directly with Camera operators.
My take (a lot of speculation here):
I thought Garrett originally ruined his reputation in a single night by taking that money back, however, not only do I think he's somewhat vindicated. Thanks to his intuition he's exposed a lot of problems behind HCL. Now seeing how Robbi is reacting to this stuff through twitter/livestream appearances, I wouldn't be surprised if his account was bang on and she freaked when he mentioned how this hand would be viewed and she knew she was caught and viewed giving the money back as a mea culpa. Only doubling down on the "I'm not a cheat" after seeing her support online. I know we want to avoid the personal attacks, I just want to say that personally... if you're still defending Robbi, I wouldn't want you at my game.
Marius L
4 of a Kind
Isn't the official spelling Gman?
Well, that's a pretty comprehensive list of things you dislike and/or find suspicious, but besides the first half of the first sentence (which is also somewhat vague), it fails to answer my question. I won't even address that your question-dodging and deflection could be construed as an indicator of guilt (of what exactly, I'm not sure).
I just want to hear what you think/feel would be acceptable or "good" actions and words on the part of the accused. Not another rehash of what's happened that you think is "bad".
umbkcshah
Two Pair
Evidence - None
Items of Interest (potentially)
Robbi plays a poker hand poorly on pretty much every metric except EV of actual hands.
Robbi backed significantly by Rip without table knowledge.
Robbi and Rip like to silently mouth things to each other.
Garrett likes to throw accusations everywhere, but anyone (show runners) he likes is above reproach...
Bryan steals Robbi's chips, unclear if opportunity or known.
Bryan pays DGAF loan back.
Hustler protocols fairly amateur overall.
Robbi story changes regularly.
Poker players have shady pasts.
Some strange, possible signaling, actions.
Weird DM from 'Bryan' to Robbi
Items of Interest (potentially)
Robbi plays a poker hand poorly on pretty much every metric except EV of actual hands.
Robbi backed significantly by Rip without table knowledge.
Robbi and Rip like to silently mouth things to each other.
Garrett likes to throw accusations everywhere, but anyone (show runners) he likes is above reproach...
Bryan steals Robbi's chips, unclear if opportunity or known.
Bryan pays DGAF loan back.
Hustler protocols fairly amateur overall.
Robbi story changes regularly.
Poker players have shady pasts.
Some strange, possible signaling, actions.
Weird DM from 'Bryan' to Robbi
JScott
Flush
I can answer thatWell, that's a pretty comprehensive list of things you dislike and/or find suspicious, but besides the first half of the first sentence (which is also somewhat vague), it fails to answer my question. I won't even address that your question-dodging and deflection could be construed as an indicator of guilt (of what exactly, I'm not sure).
I just want to hear what you think/feel would be acceptable or "good" actions and words on the part of the accused. Not another rehash of what's happened that you think is "bad".
- Disclosing the fact Rip was her backer prior to the game
- Rip not buying in short
- Having a reasonable explanation for the call "I thought you were bluffing, and thought my jack high was good"
- Not giving money back
- Having been honest about not knowing Julie Yorn
- Tweeting out honest, concise facts about the night/hand
- Treating people with respect on livestreams rather than immediately attacking everyone before even being introduced
- Pressing charges on Bryan immediately.
eightyWon
Straight
Not that I would ever be invited to play in such a nose bleed game but i wouldn't play at HCL for any reason. Nor would I want to play with Robbi or Gman. And I guess I won't be expecting an invite to a game at your place.
I'm just kind of a fan of due process which should be afforded everybody even the sketchiest of the human race.
TheDuke
Full House
On the stream, she contradicted herself many times. First it was, "are 3s good?", "thought you had A high", etc. Word salad as Garrett phrased it. Possible explanation is she's a noob and got embarrassed on the biggest poker stream in the world.
I have no idea who she is and what her personality is like. And frankly, neither does anyone else. At least anyone who doesn't actually know her and are judging her from some video clips. That's why I'm undecided.
She does seem shady.
That is shady for sure. Although Rip claimed on Ingram's stream that he didn't even want to be there and attempted to back out that particular night. But played due to Ryan Feldman's insistence. I'm not sure if Ryan Feldman has confirmed or denied this claim.
Bryan did steal. But this whole 10% of the pot is just nonsense that Windwalker raised. Unless Windwalker is privvy to the standard cut a cheat enabler receives in LA.
HCL made her whole on the missing 15k. So some thought she didn't care at the time.
This is odd for sure. But some are claiming that the graphics are real time. If that's the case, production would have seen what viewers saw. J4 not J6. Hopefully this is addressed further by HCL.
Speculation based on one grammar error and punctuation. Pushed really hard by PCF's expert on everything. If it's fake, maybe Bryan will spill. But this is no smoking gun.
Hearsay from Garrett's post. Perhaps the HCL staffer(s) will come out and confirm this.
That's the theory thus far. But it's still just a theory. If/when HCL reveals their investigation, they should be able to shed light on whether mics where turned off/on during the hand. Some have theorized that a review of the audio recordings could possibly determine this.
Your game. Do what you want. But you're so invested in a matter that really has zero bearing on your own personal life as to have such a weird stance? Who really cares that much about this situation. I think that says more about you than the person with the dissenting opinion.
So I guess what I see here is.
A) she may have cheated and we don’t know. This group can be anywhere from meh.. maybe but doubtful to wow she seems sketchy but we do t know.
B) she absolutely cheated
C) she absolutely didn’t cheat
For group C. I do t think there’s anyone in that group.
For group A there a LOT of people
For group B. Thai is the group I have a problem with, I think there are a couple here in this group.
They see a theory on how someone could cheat and think that this bolsters their claim to absolute certainty
They hear about a 3rd hand connection to another shady character involved in HCL or poker in general and think that that bolsters their claim.
They parse out the anecdotal stories and ideas and speculate on devices, or signal systems, without any confession or actual proof and yet they stil stay 100% in group B.
Why ? I have no idea.
I’d love an explanation how someone can be 100% on so much 3rd and 4th hand information.
And not just a list of 3rd and 4th hand anecdotal evidence from ‘respected vloggers’. Who were not even at the game
A) she may have cheated and we don’t know. This group can be anywhere from meh.. maybe but doubtful to wow she seems sketchy but we do t know.
B) she absolutely cheated
C) she absolutely didn’t cheat
For group C. I do t think there’s anyone in that group.
For group A there a LOT of people
For group B. Thai is the group I have a problem with, I think there are a couple here in this group.
They see a theory on how someone could cheat and think that this bolsters their claim to absolute certainty
They hear about a 3rd hand connection to another shady character involved in HCL or poker in general and think that that bolsters their claim.
They parse out the anecdotal stories and ideas and speculate on devices, or signal systems, without any confession or actual proof and yet they stil stay 100% in group B.
Why ? I have no idea.
I’d love an explanation how someone can be 100% on so much 3rd and 4th hand information.
And not just a list of 3rd and 4th hand anecdotal evidence from ‘respected vloggers’. Who were not even at the game
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
Both Robbi and Bryan used "wouldn't not" in their tweets.
How anyone can think they didn't work together to craft the story of that fake-ass message and instead believe it's just an insane coincidence is positively mind-boggling to me
AND that he only took chips off her stack and no one elses. Coincidence after coincidence
How anyone can think they didn't work together to craft the story of that fake-ass message and instead believe it's just an insane coincidence is positively mind-boggling to me
AND that he only took chips off her stack and no one elses. Coincidence after coincidence
I think the best way to handle the hand was acknowledge that you made a god tier play. Instead she said stuff that doesn't make sense like, "I thought you had Ace high" which would have had her losing ???
Ideally, she should have stuck to one story post hand. Like I misread my hand or I am a soul reader etc.
Not if she thought she had J3
It’s funny how many of the. ‘But she said this’ comments can all be explained away by her having J3
Which she has said she thought she had
Which audio evidence at the actual game proves she said ‘3s no good?’
Which was also verified by Phil Ivey and Perrson. Who were … guess what ? At the table at the time
Which she has said she thought she had
Which audio evidence at the actual game proves she said ‘3s no good?’
Which was also verified by Phil Ivey and Perrson. Who were … guess what ? At the table at the time
Yeah totally makes sense. If she thought she had a pair of 3s then its way less of an insane call. It would have been helpful if she stuck with that story continuously instead of flip flopping on the narrative.
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