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What part of misreading ones hand do people find so hard to understand?

I've had river bets called by people who check their hand pre then double, triple and quadruple check post, turn and river yet are still genuinely shocked when their expected hand is actually complete air/trash. People I would describe as usually competent players.

Stress, adrenaline, anxiety and pressure do very strange things to the human brain.

Avoiding the shame associated with admitting ones mistakes like misreading a hand on a highly public stream is also a powerful force. Takes someone with healthy self esteem, who are secure and confident in themselves to admit that, something that from my observations of Robbi she does not have. Chip on shoulder, point to prove, sticking it to men of poker, cosmetic surgery to alter her appearance, fake tan etc.

My money is still on J3 as most reasonable explanation so far.

But would I be shocked with all this smoke if it comes out that she did infact cheat? Not in the slightest.
 
Señor Tony said:
What part of misreading ones hand do people find so hard to understand?

I've had river bets called by people who check their hand pre then double, triple and quadruple check post, turn and river yet are still genuinely shocked when their expected hand is actually complete air/trash. People I would describe as usually competent players.

Stress, adrenaline, anxiety and pressure do very strange things to the human brain.

Avoiding the shame associated with admitting ones mistakes like misreading a hand on a highly public stream is also a powerful force. Takes someone with healthy self esteem, who are secure and confident in themselves to admit that, something that from my observations of Robbi she does not have. Chip on shoulder, point to prove, sticking it to men of poker, cosmetic surgery to alter her appearance, fake tan etc.

My money is still on J3 as most reasonable explanation so far.

But would I be shocked with all this smoke if it comes out that she did infact cheat? Not in the slightest.
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Pretty much this. J3 is the razor answer.

But I also consider her thinking J3/call while being signaled by Rip to do so (who in turn received a e-signal to call from elsewhere, presumably Bryon in the booth) as plausible.

Only problem with this theory -- and it's a big problem-- is the unlikelihood of this particular spot being the optimum time to utilize such a cheat scenario, vs earlier or future opportunities containing less financial risk and game-play speculation. These factors make it significantly less likely to be true, imo.

Also ... I just want to go on record that I am NOT affiliated with Robbi ... OR the kid Bryon ... and I wouldn't not want to be EITHER one.
 
Live at the Bike going cards down tonight until showdown. Hmm, interesting decision - probably to say 'we'll try to change to be more secure'

Not a great viewing experience, but gives the appearance they are taking it seriously. They are actually live/ very short delay with chat playing on screens. Interesting decision
 
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Stream hasn't started yet when it was supposed to 25 minutes ago. Hmm....
 
MatB said:
Well yeah and masks. That’s just provable science. Let’s not bring scientifically proven theories to this thread.
We don’t need facts here buddy.
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Are RIP, Bryan or Gman currently pregnant, or did they recently give birth?? That could explain a lot in this situation. #science #trustthescience #itsprovable
 
Anthony Martino said:
There's a few theories on this one. First off, she only needs 40% equity, so with 47% equity she's getting the right price to make the call.

Second, there was some discussion regarding the :6c: in the deck having been replaced. The theory was that in real-time the system was misreading her hand as :jc::6c: and so in the control room they think she has the flush draw AND is ahead with jack-high vs Garret, putting her in the over 70% equity position here (then when they see the card is actually a 4 in her hand and not a 6 it's corrected in time for the livestream, but in real-time in the control room they saw something different)

If somehow they know the runout and thus which hand will win at showdown, they can obviously signal her to jump on a big pot in this spot. It's not a smart move since it looks super suspect, but greed and desperation leads criminals to make mistakes that get them caught.

So those are just three possible reasons why they might be able to signal her to call in that spot
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Another possibility is just that she might just be signaling that she needs help in certain spots and waits for the signal to come in. Doug Polk and Joey Ingram pointed out that she has a few strange spots where she takes a really long time on hands, and that it might only be those spots where she's getting a signal from the control room. So she might otherwise be playing straight up, but then asks for help in certain spots.
 
Marius L said:
According to that latest video from Berkey discussed a bit up in this thread, he claimed that Pokergo is the leader of the field of streamers by a long margin. Partly because of Nevada gaming regulations, and partly because Pokergo has by far the biggest bugdet. They have real strict secutiry policy. Even other streams, such as the Lodge and others have more solid security than Hustler Live.




In the same video Berkey and the others also discuss alternatives such as having the card readers read the cards AFTER the hand is finished. The main problem with doing this seems to be for production to be working blind with their camerawork, not knowing who has the interesting hands. Might mean more cameras are needed, and more editing work. Still might be worth it to ensure the integrity of the game. Not having a computer or a person knowing your hand sounds pretty safe at least.
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So that’s interesting

Didn’t Feldman and Nick claim when they started the stream they consulted with multiple experts and their stream was the gold standard of security?

Back when I watched more often I swear this was discussed by them.
 
Wasn't the 4 on the bottom of her cards? When she peeled them back it would be the card she can see the easiest. She looks at her hand for somewhere around 10 seconds before looking up and then making the call.

I'm not in the 100% camp either way, but I just have a hard time believing she misread her hand. If that were the case, there has to be some kind of reaction to seeing a 4 instead of a 3.
 
MatB said:
So I guess what I see here is.

A) she may have cheated and we don’t know. This group can be anywhere from meh.. maybe but doubtful to wow she seems sketchy but we do t know.

B) she absolutely cheated

C) she absolutely didn’t cheat

For group C. I do t think there’s anyone in that group.
For group A there a LOT of people
For group B. Thai is the group I have a problem with, I think there are a couple here in this group.
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I don't think any of us are in camps B or C. This is a problem of competing likelihoods. We can all decide for ourselves which we think is most likely given all the evidence we've seen. For some of us, the hand itself was already enough to know that the likelihood of cheating was already extremely high. But when combined with everything else that has come out since, it's just way too damning for it to not at least be the most likely outcome.

I'm in camp "she almost certainly cheated". If you want a percentile attribution for that, then I'll say I'm at least 98% confident that she cheated.
 
BGinGA said:
Only problem with this theory -- and it's a big problem-- is the unlikelihood of this particular spot being the optimum time to utilize such a cheat scenario, vs earlier or future opportunities containing less financial risk and game-play speculation. These factors make it significantly less likely to be true, imo.
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If cheating were plausible - and I don't consider it plausible, although I'm still open to the possibility - then, while I wouldn't expect this to be a good spot to cheat, I wouldn't rule it out just because of that... because cheaters are very often lousy at cheating.

That said, one of the main reasons I discount the possibility of cheating is not that this is a bad spot to cheat, but that this seems to be the only spot that they cheated.

I could believe they cheated in lots of spots. I could maaaaaaybe believe they cheated just one time, in a perfect spot. But to only cheat one time, here? It strains credibility.

If you'll recall, Krish was once cheated in a home game, and it was pretty obvious (upon reflection after the fact, not necessarily in the heat of the moment during play) because they rigged the deck against him in hand after hand after hand. If Bobbi and her accomplices are cheaters, then they're simultaneously very good (because they never showed any signs of it except this one time) and very bad (because they picked a terrible spot to be blatant about it the one time they did).
 
Anthony Martino said:
Both Robbi and Bryan used "wouldn't not" in their tweets.

How anyone can think they didn't work together to craft the story of that fake-ass message and instead believe it's just an insane coincidence is positively mind-boggling to me

AND that he only took chips off her stack and no one elses. Coincidence after coincidence
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I've seen someone write "wouldn't not" exactly twice in my life. Once from Robbi. Once from "Bryan", allegedly writing to Robbi.
 
umbkcshah said:
Live at the Bike going cards down tonight until showdown. Hmm, interesting decision - probably to say 'we'll try to change to be more secure'

Not a great viewing experience, but gives the appearance they are taking it seriously. They are actually live/ very short delay with chat playing on screens. Interesting decision
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They'll change their minds. The poker audience wants very, very badly to see everyone's cards. TV Poker didn't take off until they started using tiny cameras to show everyone's hole cards.
 
CrazyEddie said:
They'll change their minds. The poker audience wants very, very badly to see everyone's cards. TV Poker didn't take off until they started using tiny cameras to show everyone's hole cards.
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Probably waiting to update the tech where a stream made available on a delay and cards are not known while the hand is actually live in IRL but will be available "live" on the delayed stream.
 
davislane said:
Probably waiting to update the tech where a stream made available on a delay and cards are not known while the hand is actually live in IRL but will be available "live" on the delayed stream.
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Not possible, unless the players at the table hold onto their hands and then present them to the readers after the hand goes to showdown rather than folding them without showing them.

Otherwise, the cards will be known to someone, at least hypothetically, even if they're not displayed to the booth staff or overlaid onto the mixed and recorded video stream. The computer system will have to read the cards at the start of the hand, and even if it keeps them secret, whoever has access to the computer system would be able to reprogram the system to leak the card information to someone somehow. You wouldn't be able to prove they weren't leaking, and you wouldn't even be able to safely and reasonably assume they weren't leaking any more than you can right now.
 
CrazyEddie said:
That said, one of the main reasons I discount the possibility of cheating is not that this is a bad spot to cheat, but that this seems to be the only spot that they cheated.
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There are two hands in that session that share some similarities. Both of which look fishy. Obviously, we all know about the J 4 hand. But did you know that there was another hand where there was a straight draw and a flush draw on the flop that both missed, and that also had a paired board, and that Garrett also shoved on her, and that Robbi also went into the tank for on the river after he shoved? A hand in which she also used her time bank for (something of value) because she was trying to decide whether or not to call Garrett down, and that she also had Jack high on that hand? She sure went into the tank for a long time for what should have been a pretty easy decision. It was also pretty sketchy. But she ended up correctly folding in that hand, as Garrett actually had the full house. Was she signaling for help in that hand too? Perhaps she got the 'fold' signal? Who knows. But it sure was a strange spot to go into the tank and wasn't to spend your time back on.

She had :jd::8d: vs Garrett's Q4 full house.
 
upNdown said:
he’s asked around LA and everybody who knows Garrett agrees that he’s never been wrong about anything.
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I snorted my scotch when I read this. Such a great sentence. The Golden Boy for sure. Such a funny thing for a large group to agree on. And for it to be said so matter of fact.
 
Highli99 said:
I snorted my scotch when I read this. Such a great sentence. The Golden Boy for sure. Such a funny thing for a large group to agree on. And for it to be said so matter of fact.
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Yup. No argument. But I’m on board
 
CrazyEddie said:
Not possible, unless the players at the table hold onto their hands and then present them to the readers after the hand goes to showdown rather than folding them without showing them.

Otherwise, the cards will be known to someone, at least hypothetically, even if they're not displayed to the booth staff or overlaid onto the mixed and recorded video stream. The computer system will have to read the cards at the start of the hand, and even if it keeps them secret, whoever has access to the computer system would be able to reprogram the system to leak the card information to someone somehow. You wouldn't be able to prove they weren't leaking, and you wouldn't even be able to safely and reasonably assume they weren't leaking any more than you can right now.
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so what I proposed is possible then if players scan their cards after they muck and or the hand is over.
 
upNdown said:
he’s asked around LA and everybody who knows Garrett agrees that he’s never been wrong about anything.
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Highli99 said:
I snorted my scotch when I read this. Such a great sentence. The Golden Boy for sure. Such a funny thing for a large group to agree on. And for it to be said so matter of fact.
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I take it that everybody who knows Garrett in LA aren't Survivor fans then...

"After surprisingly being named the Luzon tribe's weakest member by tribe leader David Samson, Garrett managed to find a Hidden Immunity Idol on Day 1 and orchestrate David's blindside at the season's first Tribal Council. However, after Luzon's second loss, Garrett made the fatal mistake of holding an open forum and telling J'Tia Taylor she would be voted out. Irked by this, Tasha Fox orchestrated his blindside by the Luzon women, sending Garrett home with his idol still back at camp."

- Survivor wiki
 
RainmanTrail said:
I take it that everybody who knows Garrett in LA aren't Survivor fans then...

"After surprisingly being named the Luzon tribe's weakest member by tribe leader David Samson, Garrett managed to find a Hidden Immunity Idol on Day 1 and orchestrate David's blindside at the season's first Tribal Council. However, after Luzon's second loss, Garrett made the fatal mistake of holding an open forum and telling J'Tia Taylor she would be voted out. Irked by this, Tasha Fox orchestrated his blindside by the Luzon women, sending Garrett home with his idol still back at camp."

- Survivor wiki
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Yeah, Garrett did bad on survivor. Most poker players have. I think Jean Robert went the deepest and god love him but it wasn’t pretty
 

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