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[Frogzilla]

I don't think the message has been shown to have come from Bryan at all though. Where did you hear that from?

I thought she turned her phone over to authorities who confirmed the message was a Twitter DM from Bryan. Maybe I misheard though

 

[Samuel]

Even if it appeared to be a Twitter DM from Bryan, it could have been someone else using his computer or phone, using/hacking his account, and/or telling him exactly what to write?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Even if it appeared to be a Twitter DM from Bryan, it could have been someone else using his computer or phone, using/hacking his account, and/or telling him exactly what to write?

Believe the latter is most likely. Hacking is not likely; dictating much more so.

 

[JMC9389]

Believe the latter is most likely. Hacking is not likely; dictating much more so.

Dictated by Nick Vertucci...

 

[Anthony Martino]

Even if it appeared to be a Twitter DM from Bryan, it could have been someone else using his computer or phone, using/hacking his account, and/or telling him exactly what to write?

Yes, it clearly looks like what he wrote was scripted to give the appearance that these two didn't know one another and couldn't have possibly been working together.

It looks PAINFULLY scripted between both parties to me, and I don't buy it for a second. But there seems to be plenty of people who need "hard proof" to believe all these ridiculous coincidences reveal that most likely there was a coordinated cheating ring involved here.

 

[RainmanTrail]

Yes, it clearly looks like what he wrote was scripted to give the appearance that these two didn't know one another and couldn't have possibly been working together.

It looks PAINFULLY scripted between both parties to me, and I don't buy it for a second. But there seems to be plenty of people who need "hard proof" to believe all these ridiculous coincidences reveal that most likely there was a coordinated cheating ring involved here.

Regardless of whether she's guilty or not, there's just no scenario whatsoever that that Twitter DM was written in earnest by Bryan.

Also, no, she did not have this message validated as coming from Bryan by anyone beyond opening the Twitter app on her phone and showing it to someone and saying, "see, I got a message from Bryan", and then having that person say, "yep, I see it. You got a DM, and it says it's from Bryan". That's it. Nobody has validated anything about the Twitter account it came from or who actually wrote those words or who hit the 'send' button. I don't think anyone was disputing that she received a DM on Twitter though with those words, and it coming from an account that claimed to be Bryan.

Also worth noting is that there's no way Twitter is going to reveal any info behind that account without a subpoena. And I'm pretty sure we're a looooong ways away from that happening.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Agreed, proving Bryan sent her the message doesn't disprove that they worked together to craft it to look innocent of any cheating

And this was when she refused to press charges, because the officer allegedly told her Bryan had no priors

So either

A. The officer gave her misinformation
B. The officer lied
C. Robbi made it up

I'm going with C because I don't see an officer just looking up and providing her with this guys records, but if he did why doesn't he find any?

All the poker universe EASILY located his criminal history. Shit, her husband is an Attorney, he doesn't know how to lookup that info?

And she only said she would press charges after pressure from everyone since it made her look more guilty

HAS she pressed charges (or agreed to cooperate with police if the DA wishes to press charges?)

 

[umbkcshah]

Well, new drama. Wouldn't be surprised if Berkey has invested or other deals with RFID tech or security company. He's talked about getting a new table to test for someone.

I really hope it's that he stole 15 candy bars/baseball card packs and cheated on an ethics test in high school though

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917224553500672

 

[ekricket]

Well, new drama. Wouldn't be surprised if Berkey has invested or other deals with RFID tech or security company. He's talked about getting a new table to test for someone.

I really hope it's that he stole 15 candy bars/baseball card packs and cheated on an ethics test in high school though

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917224553500672

Are these the good guys or the slimey guys? Serious question, it’s hard to keep up

 

[LeLe]

Well, new drama. Wouldn't be surprised if Berkey has invested or other deals with RFID tech or security company. He's talked about getting a new table to test for someone.

I really hope it's that he stole 15 candy bars/baseball card packs and cheated on an ethics test in high school though

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917224553500672

Very interesting development

I been following Berkey for awhile and his podcasts so I am expecting some sort of backslash from Nick ever since Berkey suggest HCL to stop their livestreams

 

[Perthmike]

Are these the good guys or the slimey guys? Serious question, it’s hard to keep up

Well you must know that Vertucci is the good guy. His game is facing a serious cheating accusation and one of the employees was caught stealing. But he's just looking out for the poker community with this special podcast about Berkey , he isn't deflecting at all.

 

[ekricket]

Well you must know that Vertucci is the good guy. His game is facing a serious cheating accusation and one of the employees was caught stealing. But he's just looking out for the poker community with this special podcast about Berkey , he isn't deflecting at all.

So we got the slimy bunch and the good guys, and now it looks like the good guys are splitting up into the good guys and the other slimy bunch.

Will the two slimy bunch’s merge and become guilty of everything, thus exonerating and elevating the remainder of the good guys?

Who would have ever thought the world of semi-amateur poker would have such a cast of seedy characters? It’s almost like everyone in that world is doing sketchy stuff.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Well, new drama. Wouldn't be surprised if Berkey has invested or other deals with RFID tech or security company. He's talked about getting a new table to test for someone.

I really hope it's that he stole 15 candy bars/baseball card packs and cheated on an ethics test in high school though

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917224553500672

Well, new drama. Wouldn't be surprised if Berkey has invested or other deals with RFID tech or security company. He's talked about getting a new table to test for someone.

I really hope it's that he stole 15 candy bars/baseball card packs and cheated on an ethics test in high school though

https://twitter.com/x/status/1581917224553500672

He deleted the tweet lol

 

[umbkcshah]

He deleted the tweet lol

Hmm, his lawyer probably spit out coffee and upped the hourly rate this morning.

 

[MatB]

Someone points out to HCL potential flaws in a security system without actually acusing anyone of anything and HCL owner alludes to discrediting information on the person pointing out the security flaws without saying actually anything …..

Hmmm. This strategy sounds so familiar.

I bet Vertucci knows more about streaming security than anyone. Trust me. Very stable…

 

[ekricket]

Someone points out to HCL potential flaws in a security system without actually acusing anyone of anything and HCL owner alludes to discrediting information on the person pointing out the security flaws without saying actually anything …..

Hmmm. This strategy sounds so familiar.

I bet Vertucci knows more about streaming security than anyone. Trust me. Very stable…

Sounds like the airing of grievances.

Coming soon, Hustler Live Festivus edition

 

[MatB]

I get being protective of something you own or are responsible for, but Vertucci can't be very bright as this just makes him look over defensive and shady. Which unless he's oblivious to external perceptions of him, that's what people already thought he was.

 

[bergs]

I'm an English teacher. I've been teaching high school English for approximately 12 years now. I also taught English as a second language in South Korea for 3 years prior to that. I can't even fathom how many paragraphs, essays, stories, tests, etc. I have marked in my lifetime. I have never seen "wouldn't not" even with all of my English as a second language students. I've also never seen it in my day to day reading outside of work. Take that for whatever it is worth.

Since I'm posting, I might as well ask all the people who are arguing that she misread her hand and thought she had J3 (after staring at it for at least 10 seconds on the river with the 4 on the bottom of her hole cards) and that she just amazingly had no reaction when it was turned over (I've never seen someone not react in even the slightest way to a misread hand like this ever), and that she simply didn't want to look foolish at the moment on a live stream so she word-vomited a bunch of crap to save face - why the hell would she not simply stick to the "true story" that she misread her hand afterwards once everything blew up over the internet? Is your argument that she is simply that self-centered and/or dumb to not just tell the truth? Honestly curious. She doesn't seem the brightest, but is it really better to lie when all of this is blowing up online instead of just admitting she brain-farted?

For the record, I'm undecided on if she cheated, but there are a hell of a lot of strange coincidences that are very hard to ignore in this situation.

FWIW I’ve seen wouldnt not written maybe as many as 8-10 times in informal business communication (emails) or documentation. It’s more likely than you’d think that someone who is not skilled at all in writing puts 2 similar terms like that in a doc in stream of conscious writing.

 

[bergs]

"No more likely under the theory that they cheated than they are under the theory that they didn't cheat" ??? Either you're trolling now, or you have a remarkable inability to process information.

Every single crazy twist and turn this story has taken over the past 2 weeks has absolutely increased the likelihood of cheating having actually occurred (as if the hand itself wasn't already enough to determine this with a high likelihood). This is Bayesian statistics living out right before your very eyes. If your Bayesian prior was 50/50 she cheated/didn't, then it just got bumped way the fuck up when Bryan was caught stealing $15k from Robbi's stack (and no one else's). It also got bumped up when Bryan was heard letting out a yell the moment he saw her giving the money back to Garrett. It also got bumped up when you see her and Rip gesturing and mouthing things to each other at the table. It also got bumped up with we saw that Bryan has a criminal record that includes at least one count of robbery. It also got bumped up when Robbi revealed that she was caught stealing a necklace from Macy's a few months before her 18th birthday. It also got bumped up when Robbi flip-flopped on her explanation for why she played the hand the way she did. It also got bumped WAY the fuck up when she reaches for her mic shortly after the hand and says, "just testing" with an inquisitive vocal inflection that suggests she is attempting to communicate with someone on the other end of the mic to ensure she is being heard correctly. It also gets bumped way up when shortly after the hands are tabled and everyone is talking about what happened, Rip says, "it's almost like there was some voice from outer space telling you to call there, haha". It also got bumped up when we learned that Robbi was caught trying to angle shoot her $5k buyin by not paying for it in the session with Julie Yorn just 2 days prior. And so much more. The list goes on and on. Each of these actions increases the likelihood that she was in fact cheating. Statisticians refer to this as "informing the prior".

It would be awesome if statisticians used paragraphs too. Reading these actually makes me wince.

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

Reading these actually makes me wince.

It’s easier to just ignore that one

 

[MatB]

Berkeys response to Vertuccis tweet

 

[umbkcshah]

Well, Nitucci is going to be on the Only Friends pod today in ~10 minutes. Pretty solid thumbnail work having the deleted message up. The whole tweet would have been slightly better.

 

[AnteAndy]

Well, Nitucci is going to be on the Only Friends pod today in ~10 minutes. Pretty solid thumbnail work having the deleted message up. The whole tweet would have been slightly better.

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Nick was actually on Berkey's podcast earlier, had watched the very end of him on it and meant to rewatch it later.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Nick was actually on Berkey's podcast earlier, had watched the very end of him on it and meant to rewatch it later.

Anything interesting or just more peacocking?

 

[umbkcshah]

Nick was actually on Berkey's podcast earlier, had watched the very end of him on it and meant to rewatch it later.

It's not a very interesting conversation. Once they said what the issue was, the only reason to allow Nick the platform was to have him come off poorly. Accomplished, but not very hard since he's basically got his head stuck in the ground. Minimal improvements as things take time, etc.

Spoiler

The tweet was about Berkey having recorded a phone conversation with a HCL employee. Berkey shared it with Deeb, who passed it onto HCL/Nick. This is possibly illegal in California as it's a two-party state (Nevada is not). Nick thought about bringing Berkey's character into issue then realized it was a bad idea. Emotional response, whatever.

Edit: I was wrong, both are 2 party for phone.

 

[Rakrul]

I haven't followed this thread the last week, so I'm a bit late here but to those who belive her when she said she thought she had J3 and not J4 must somehow ignore that she looks at her hole cards for 14 seconds as Garret mentioned in his report on 2+2.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I haven't followed this thread the last week, so I'm a bit late here but to those who belive her when she said she thought she had J3 and not J4 must somehow ignore that she looks at her hole cards for 14 seconds as Garret mentioned in his report on 2+2.

They tend to excuse it as her being nervous in the moment, saying it to save face, etc. But she used about 27 and 1/2 different reasons for explaining her call in that spot, each more fantastic than the rest.

In my opinion the only one that would make any real sense to me would be her ACTUALLY misreading her hand and thinking she had J3 and was bluff-catching him shoving with Ace-high in this spot. But I don't believe she misread her hand, so that coupled with other inconsistencies and various "coincidences" that occurred via information that's come out, still lead me to believe she most likely cheated here.

The court of public opinion overall still seems to be in her favor, although it seems to have shifted from originally 65/35 to closer to 55/45 from what I've seen online in various discussions.

 

[B.C.]

Pretty convinced of the following at this point:

Anyone on team "she cheated" isn't going to be moved without absolute, definitive, proof she didn't

Anyone on team "she didn't cheat" isn't going to be moved without absolute, definitive, proof she did

If proof, either way, hasn't been produced by now (1000hrs of podcasts, YouTube streams, detailed analysis of the footage of the entire stream, lie detector tests, legal threats, "official" statements, software analysis, "expert" opinions on security procedures, 200k proof of cheating bounty, examination of criminal records, Joey Ingram live streaming non-stop nightly from Mt. crazy, interviews and statements by, or from, everyone involved or possibly involved, interviews with people known to someone involved including random poker players mothers neighbours third cousins parakeet who once watched an episode of Columbo) it never will be.

The entire drama has provided a few hours of interest, but the care factor at this point - about as close to zero as possible.

For me:

 

[Anthony Martino]

Yeah, I think the fatigue has set in at this point and we're just getting a lot of the same arguments retread over and over again. Without any new groundbreaking revelations we're in a standstill waiting for the "investigation". Although Vertucci and Berkey almost revived interest with their squabble that got deleted from Twitter

 

[Anthony Martino]

So there's a thread for Vertucci and now one for Feldmen on 2+2 as people try to dig deeper and see if the guys running the show may be involved in any unscrupulous behavoir.

What I found interesting is Ryan is replying in the thread focused on investigating him and I just came across this:

Deeb had asked her on Joeys first show about this whole mess:

"Did anyone in the game know he was staking you in this game?"

And she replied "Yeah"

But I don't believe a single player in the game has corroborated this (even Eric mentioned he didn't know about the staking arrangement). Now we see Ryan confirming neither he nor Nick were aware either.

So it does appear Robbi lied when responding to Deebs question. And while the staking arrangement isn't a humungous deal overall, since staking in high stakes games can be fairly common, the big deal is that it appears she is lying, and you have to wonder why, what is she trying to cover up?